Biden empower WHO to rule nations

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The UN has a military now?

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Those are UN Peacekeepers.

Please tell me you know that Peacekeepers are voluntarily seconded to the UN by their national militaries? And that the UN can't command them - that they remain under their own national command structures?

There are four or five big UN peacekeeping operations right now - most of them concentrated in central Africa. The biggest contributors of Peacekeepers are Bangladesh, Rwanda, Nepal, India, Pakistan and Ethiopia. Mostly because it's better pay for their troops to act as Peacekeepers.

UN Peacekeepers aren't deploying anywhere without a UN Resolution. Even then, any deployment has to be invited in by local authorities.

The "UN military" putting troops in the US simply isn't how any of this works.
 
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First up, if you link to an article, you are required to comment on it. Simply posting tbe link is against forum rules. In any case...

The title of the link is completely false. As anyone could see by wading through the 13 pages of the agenda noted. The WHO is only allowed to assess the dangers of a potential pandemic and to inform all members of the risk, as can be seen in the excerpt below:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjNzdm64-L3AhUsR2wGHRplA78QFnoECAUQAQ&url=https://apps.who.int/gb/ebwha/pdf_files/WHA75/A75_18-en.pdf&usg=AOvVaw35UsV9FMHkMxakWTTSkQvk

'WHO shall develop early warning criteria for assessing and progressively updating the
national, regional, or global risk posed by an event of unknown causes or sources and shall convey
this risk assessment to States Parties in accordance with Articles 11 and 45 where appropriate.'

There is nothing in the ammendment which gives the WHO authority to impose any restrictions on a member state - such as lockdowns. That is entirely the decision for the member state.

You are being lied to.

IOW, the WHO will be the next CDC, except on a global scale. When the WHO makes a recommendation, it will be said to be based on "The Science" which nobody is to question, lest they be labeled a "Science denier". So if the WHO recommends a lockdown, do you think biden or his handlers are going to say, "We're looking for a second opinion before following the WHO recommendation."?

Also, with so many things being referred to as a "public health crisis" (including gun crime and "climate change"), the WHO could claim that "the science" dictates draconian laws that have nothing to do with viruses.
 
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IOW, the WHO will be the next CDC, except on a global scale. When the WHO makes a recommendation, it will be said to be based on "The Science" which nobody is to question, lest they be labeled a "Science denier"
Follow the money. Guess who is a major contributor to the WHO and whose science they will follow as he attempts to unite the world under his global health OS (operating system). It worked for him before.
 
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IOW, the WHO will be the next CDC, except on a global scale. When the WHO makes a recommendation, it will be said to be based on "The Science" which nobody is to question, lest they be labeled a "Science denier". So if the WHO recommends a lockdown, do you think biden or his handlers are going to say, "We're looking for a second opinion before following the WHO recommendation."?

Also, with so many things being referred to as a "public health crisis" (including gun crime and "climate change"), the WHO could claim that "the science" dictates draconian laws that have nothing to do with viruses.

Any restrictions that any country places on their citizens will be a matter for the government of that country. And in fact, as we have seen in places like the US and Australia, it is the state governments that are deciding what restrictions are applicable.

To even suggest that the WHO will be able to dictate what an individual state will do when those states are not even obliged to listen to their own federal governments is a fantasy. Feel free to believe it.
 
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To even suggest that the WHO will be able to dictate what an individual state will do when those states are not even obliged to listen to their own federal governments is a fantasy.
How about international travel (except commercial of course)?
 
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Follow the money. Guess who is a major contributor to the WHO and whose science they will follow as he attempts to unite the world under his OS (operating system). It worked for him before.

Not to mention being the biggest buyer of farmland, even though he doesn't want to use it for farming.
Watergate? Clinton-gate? Now we have a Gates-gate! :D
 
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How about international travel (except commercial of course)?

Again, it's up to the governments of individual countries who they will and won't allow across their borders. Ask Djokovic about that. All the WHO can do is correlate the medical information being supplied by member countries and offer advice.

This is all the WHO has ever been. I'm completely bemused by people who think otherwise. After a couple of years of an international pandemic, you'd think that people would know this.
 
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After a couple of years of an international pandemic, you'd think that people would know this.
People have gotten used to the idea that even governments listen to what all these so called 'think tanks' come up with. Consultants rule the rulers, but yes a few may act contrary like Trump did.

How will Australia act now with a more moderate leader?
 
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Any restrictions that any country places on their citizens will be a matter for the government of that country. And in fact, as we have seen in places like the US and Australia, it is the state governments that are deciding what restrictions are applicable.

To even suggest that the WHO will be able to dictate what an individual state will do when those states are not even obliged to listen to their own federal governments is a fantasy. Feel free to believe it.

Being able to dictate, and being allowed to dictate aren't that much different. Similarities exist in other areas. Was BLM able to dictate what businesses do? Not quite, but threats, intimidation, and the hate-labeling of people who didn't go along with their narrative caused people to tow the line. Same goes for Covid masking. People weren't always mandated to wear them, but they'd often do it to virtue-signal to those who were/are radical about it.
So, when the WHO says that the SCIENCE indicates that people need to be locked down, or even quarantined in separate buildings (other than home, but more "campy"), do you think that a government led by the type of people we currently have in leadership roles are going to go against the advice and be labeled as science-deniers? In this country, that's like being labeled a homophobe or racist. You just gotta go along with the narrative if you don't want to be labeled/cancelled.
 
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People have gotten used to the idea that even governments listen to what all these so called 'think tanks' come up with. Consultants rule the rulers, but yes a few may act contrary like Trump did.

Exactly what I was trying to say in my post, but you managed to do it in far fewer words. :oldthumbsup:
 
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People have gotten used to the idea that even governments listen to what all these so called 'think tanks' come up with. Consultants rule the rulers, but yes a few may act contrary like Trump did.

How will Australia act now with a more moderate leader?

in regard to pandemics? Exactly the same. There was bi-party agreement on how we dealt with covid. Follow the science and you generally come out in front. Compare our death rate with the US for an example of that.

I'm not aware that any of the previous cabinet had infectious disease expertise. And I doubt if anyone in the new one will either. So yeah, if there's another pandemic, they'll be listening to those experts who know best and supplying them with the best medical evidence available. Being part of the WHO facilitates that.
 
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Being able to dictate, and being allowed to dictate aren't that much different.

Yet again (and I mean, how many times do I have to repeat what should be common knowledge), the WHO cannot dictate anything. They make recommendations based on the science. It is entirely up to individual member countries (and states within those countries - and even local councils within those states - and even local businesses within those councils) how they respond. If you have a problem with any mandates where you live then take it up with whatever authority has imposed them. Blaming the WHO is like blaming the met office because the weather is unseasonably warm.

All you are doing is exhibiting a total lack of understanding as to what the WHO is and what the WHO does.
 
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Yet again (and I mean, how many times do I have to repeat what should be common knowledge), the WHO cannot dictate anything. They make recommendations based on the science. It is entirely up to individual member countries (and states within those countries - and even local councils within those states - and even local businesses within those councils) how they respond. If you have a problem with any mandates where you live then take it up with whatever authority has imposed them. Blaming the WHO is like blaming the met office because the weather is unseasonably warm.

All you are doing is exhibiting a total lack of understanding as to what the WHO is and what the WHO does.

Well, I explained how they can. They can do it by being allowed to, simply by implementing whatever the WHO says into policy. I even explained how other groups have been allowed to do basically the same thing, either through a "I know more than you" approach, or through intimidation or marginalization of anyone who doesn't agree.
 
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If politicians are out of their league like with pandemics it is obvious they will go to consultants who pass themselves off a experts, small fish like Fauci on a local level or big fish like the WHO on a global level. These guys are supposed to know what is going on and if governments fund them then governments expect something in return. It's that simple.
 
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Well, I explained how they can. They can do it by being allowed to, simply by implementing whatever the WHO says into policy. I even explained how other groups have been allowed to do basically the same thing, either through a "I know more than you" approach, or through intimidation or marginalization of anyone who doesn't agree.

I think that you have to believe whatever it is you think you need to believe.

Thanks for your input.
 
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If politicians are out of their league like with pandemics it is obvious they will go to consultants who pass themselves off a experts, small fish like Fauci on a local level or big fish like the WHO on a global level. These guys are supposed to know what is going on and if governments fund them then governments expect something in return. It's that simple.

Horrifying, isn't it. People who are not personally qualified on a given matter turning to experts for advice. You seem to have a naive understanding as to how the world works.
 
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I think that you have to believe whatever it is you think you need to believe.

Thanks for your input.

I could try explaining the point in even simpler terms, but then I run the risk of you accusing me once again of treating you like an idiot. Can't have that!
 
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