Poll: what's next for a post-Roe v Wade America?

hislegacy · May 17, 2022

stevil said:
So this analogy falls flat on its face.

It was a reply in kind to your analogy. Thank you for seeing it falls flat on it's face. Shall we move on?

stevil · May 17, 2022

hislegacy said:
twelve letters starts with a C ends with tion...

In the USA constitution is the concept in inalienable rights.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

The wording is a bit dated and off considering the separation of church and state (mentioning a Creator) is awkward and can only be taken metaphorically.
But essentially the USA Constitution recognises that USA people have some rights that ought to be protected. One would think that privacy, and choice (a.k.a. liberty) fall under this.

hislegacy · May 17, 2022

stevil said:
In the USA constitution is the concept in inalienable rights.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

The wording is a bit dated and off considering the separation of church and state (mentioning a Creator) is awkward and can only be taken metaphorically.
But essentially the USA Constitution recognises that USA people have some rights that ought to be protected. One would think that privacy, and choice (a.k.a. liberty) fall under this.

First I was not replying to anything you posted, but in fact to a different poster.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are

What's that first four letter word you bolded there?

That is why the Pro life movement is also known as the "Right to Life"

stevil · May 17, 2022

hislegacy said:
First I was not replying to anything you posted, but in fact to a different poster.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are

What's that first four letter word you bolded there?

That is why the Pro life movement is also known as the "Right to Life"

Yeah, but the constitution applies to USA citizens. A fertilised egg isn't a USA citizen.

Desk trauma · May 17, 2022

stevil said:
In the USA constitution is the concept in inalienable rights.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

The wording is a bit dated and off considering the separation of church and state (mentioning a Creator) is awkward and can only be taken metaphorically.
But essentially the USA Constitution recognises that USA people have some rights that ought to be protected. One would think that privacy, and choice (a.k.a. liberty) fall under this.

Your quote is from the Declaration of Independence, the US constitution makes no mention of a creator.

hislegacy · May 17, 2022

stevil said:
Yeah, but the constitution applies to USA citizens. A fertilised egg isn't a USA citizen.

and therein lies the issue. One side believe a person is a person at birth and the other side believe the moment of conception.

JustOneWay · May 17, 2022

Hammster said:
Then that’s true. It’s sinful to support abortion.

I never said support abortion. I said support a pro-choice view. That does also include choosing life. It is the ability to allow others their freedom to make their own decisions. But as you said, you tell other Christians what they should think.

stevil · May 17, 2022

hislegacy said:
and therein lies the issue. One side believe a person is a person at birth and the other side believe the moment of conception.

One side recognises the liberties of the woman, the other side only seems to care about people up till the point of birth.

JustOneWay · May 17, 2022

stevil said:
Yeah, but the constitution applies to USA citizens. A fertilised egg isn't a USA citizen.

That's a baby, Mister

When it is called a baby, it just seems more human, right? Babies have rights!

hislegacy · May 17, 2022

stevil said:
One side recognises the liberties of the woman, the other side only seems to care about people up till the point of birth.

Thank you for your opinion. We completely differ.

stevil · May 17, 2022

Desk trauma said:
Your quote is from the Declaration of Independence, the US constitution makes no mention of a creator.

Oh, sorry my bad. I did a search on Constitution and "inalienable rights" and got this phrase.

hislegacy · May 17, 2022

JustOneWay said:
That's a baby, Mister When it is called a baby, it just seems more human, right? Babies have rights!

What would you call the picture in my avatar?

Because that being is eligible to have its head crushed, brains sucked out and torn into pieces in 50 of 50 states.

Hammster · May 17, 2022

TLK Valentine said:
How do you figure?

God never unjustly takes a life.

Hammster · May 17, 2022

TLK Valentine said:
Without federal laws, then federal land would have no laws.

You think murder should be permissible in Yellowstone National Park?
You can rape someone at Yosemite consequence-free?
And of course, military installations are subject to federal, not local or state, jurisdiction -- I predict a lot of officers' wives visiting the doc at Fort Dix...

Those parks are in actual US states, correct?

Hammster · May 17, 2022

JustOneWay said:
I never said support abortion. I said support a pro-choice view. That does also include choosing life. It is the ability to allow others their freedom to make their own decisions. But as you said, you tell other Christians what they should think.

If you are pro-choice, you support abortion.

Hammster · May 17, 2022

JustOneWay said:
That's a baby, Mister When it is called a baby, it just seems more human, right? Babies have rights!

At what point did Jesus become the God-man?

Mayzoo · May 17, 2022

TLK Valentine said:
Well, Missouri seems to think differently, since their proposed law will use Texas-style enforcement to allow anyone to sue a Missouri resident who gets an abortion... even out of state.

Missouri wants to stop out-of-state abortions. Other states could follow.

I was going to edit the poll to include this option, but it's so close to the "Nationwide Texas Plan" that I said never mind...

I would suspect once one state finds a way to outlaw out-of-state abortions, almost all the states that outlaw it will follow. Once they find a way that is not overturned by courts that is.

TLK Valentine · May 17, 2022

Mayzoo said:
I would suspect once one state finds a way to outlaw out-of-state abortions, almost all the states that outlaw it will follow. Once they find a way that is not overturned by courts that is.

Yeah, I suspect they'll find a loophole.

Speaking of loopholes...

Emergency abortions are legal in TX, but 'emergencies' are harder to define

According to the article, the Texas law allows abortion in the case of a "medical emergency," and leaves it to the doctor's discretion to determine what constitutes a "medical emergency."

The doctors are nervous that their decisions will be second-guessed by someone willing to cash in on a quick $10,000, but what if they tried a different tactic, and used their discretion for other purposes?

"Ok, miss, you say you have medical concerns about the pregnancy resulting from your rape....what seems to be the problem you're worried about?"

*takes off her shoe*

"Goodness Gracious! An ingrown toenail! We have no way of knowing what kind of complications could occur from this condition! A medical emergency in my professional opinion... here's your Plan B pill..."

Obviously this is an extreme example, but the point is, what happens if Texas doctors decide to flood the system with "medical emergencies"? Pity the poor bureaucrat who has to follow up on them all.

Paulos23 · May 17, 2022

Hammster said:
God never unjustly takes a life.

I have family members that disagree with that.

TLK Valentine · May 17, 2022

Hammster said:
God never unjustly takes a life.

Again, how do you figure?

Poll: what's next for a post-Roe v Wade America?

What would you like to see happen if/when Roe v Wade (1973) is overturned?

Nothing -- leave it up to the states to determine whether abortion is legal or not.

The Arizona Plan -- overturn Griswold v Connecticut (1965); outlaw contraception next.

The McConnell Plan -- a nationwide abortion ban

The Texas Plan, Nationwide -- civil enforcement; citizens turn in and sue other citizens.

The Louisiana Plan, Nationwide -- abortion IS murder, and should be charged as such.

Other (please specify)

I'm pro-choice; none of the above!

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