This is where it all leads to. Watch the video
Clarify for me, what leads to what?
If we ordain people and let them preach, they'll sometimes make mistakes?
or,
Listening to sermons leads to encountering interpretations of the Bible that I don't agree with?
or,
Priests making videos leads to priests laughing at bishops?
or, ...?
What is "it", and what's the causal chain that leads to "this"?
The presiding Bishop interpreted St Paul's exorcism of a demon from a woman in the book of Acts, as male patriarchal dominance over the woman by St Paul.
This is a bishop teaching this in the Episcopal Church, not just a priest or lay person who gets it wrong.
Okay, yes.
You said "This is where it all leads to." What is the "it all" that you see as leading to the mistakes in this sermon?
I could see it this way: "When people who believe in patriarchy make mistakes in their sermons, sometimes those mistakes include inappropriate patriarchal assertions. When people who don't believe in patriarchy make mistakes in their sermons, sometimes those mistakes include inappropriate anti-patriarchal assertions." Is that what you're trying to say?
I don't think that is because women are leaders in the church. I think its more an ideological thinking that anyone can engage in. Its a narrow view and discounts multiple causes and reduces people down to the ideas and beliefs that the ideology claims as truth.This is where it all leads to. Watch the video
I don't think that is because women are leaders in the church. I think its more an ideological thinking that anyone can engage in. Its a narrow view and discounts multiple causes and reduces people down to the ideas and beliefs that the ideology claims as truth.
I agree this is creeping into belief and is muddying the waters about how we should live as Christians. That's why its important not to be bound to ideologies which claim truths and put Christs teachings and truth at the center.
Watch what this former priest in the Episcopal Church went through, and you'll see where we're heading if we allow it to.
Ten Objections to Women Priests | VirtueOnline – The Voice for Global Orthodox Anglicanism
Objections #3, 4, and 6 connect a belief in an all-male priesthood to a belief in the masculinity of God. Objections #1, 5, and 7 observe that opening the priesthood to women involves departing from Tradition on this point.
So, where we're heading might be this: Seeing women in the role of priest can lead to a view that God is without gender, and it can lead to a belief that Tradition can sometimes go astray and that it is appropriate to correct the Tradition when it goes astray.
I might reverse the direction of causality here -- I believed that God was without gender and that reform is occasionally necessary in the church before I believed that the ordination of women was acceptable -- but I admit the correlation.
Is this what you meant to point out?
Women can't be priests as Bishop Baron shows, that those requesting it as seeing the priesthood as a profession of power rather than a vocation of service.
There are so many things wrong with your linked article that I'm not even going to try to pull it apart, but this line needs to be responded to.
I can say - as a woman who is a priest - that this is an egregious slander. I didn't seek the priesthood for its power, and in fact the power that does come with it is one of the greatest pitfalls and risks of this vocation. I know many ordained women, and few of them (as is also true of the men) are in it for the power.
The reality of priesthood within our institutional churches is that it does come with power; more power than is good for us, sometimes. But the vast majority of us take up that power only with the intent to use it to serve. And this accusation is both a completely twisted misrepresentation, and frankly a quite blatant personal attack, from the point of view of CF's rules.
When I see women asking for prayers on the issue, then I'll believe it's not about seeking power, but seeking to follow God's will. I have yet to see
women ask people to pray on the issue, just demand to be allowed into the priesthood.
You can argue about what she wrote, but it's her experience that caused her to leave.
Have you had many conversations with women discerning vocations? Because I have, and not one - not one - approached the question without seeking the prayerful support of others.
I'm not arguing with what she wrote, mostly because there's just too much there to address constructively here. I'm arguing with your assertion that women seek ordination for the power.
I had the enormous privilege yesterday, of being called to do last rites for a lady at the hospital. I did, and I sat with her, her husband and daughter, as they talked of their life together, 62 years of a beautiful marriage, of a life of love and joy, of a woman of tremendous character. And I came home and said to my husband that all the other stuff - the church politics, the petty matters we get caught up in, the practicalities of managing a community and its buildings and corporate life - pale into insignificance after helping these people pray and genuinely connect with God at one of the most difficult and painful times of their lives.
Support of other women rather than the will of God to be known to them?
In the Catholic Church the demand for ordination often has to do with seeking power, which they misunderstand the priesthood to be about.
It has nothing to do with what's being
addressed here.
When people are murdered in the millions in the name of a religion, that is evil, isn't it.....Patriarchy and Theocracy are God's ideal. Just because someone did something bad at some point in history, doesn't change the ideal. Christians did some bad stuff at some point in history, but Christianity isn't evil.
Patriarchy was established and commanded by God.