Pro-abortion activists threaten to burn the Eucharist

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Before the law the bread (or ashes of the bread) are just what it appears to be; at best you could get a “hate-crime” maybe, but the “theft” would be the “market value” of the consumable. I’m not even sure that a court could recognize the wafer as “the Eucharist”.

Still could come under this provision if they enter the church and take it:



18 U.S. Code § 248 - Freedom of access to clinic entrances

18 U.S. Code § 248
Freedom of access to clinic entrances

(a) Prohibited Activities.—Whoever—
(1)
by force or threat of force or by physical obstruction, intentionally injures, intimidates or interferes with or attempts to injure, intimidate or interfere with any person because that person is or has been, or in order to intimidate such person or any other person or any class of persons from, obtaining or providing reproductive health services;

(2)
by force or threat of force or by physical obstruction, intentionally injures, intimidates or interferes with or attempts to injure, intimidate or interfere with any person lawfully exercising or seeking to exercise the First Amendment right of religious freedom at a place of religious worship; or

(3)
intentionally damages or destroys the property of a facility, or attempts to do so, because such facility provides reproductive health services, or intentionally damages or destroys the property of a place of religious worship,

shall be subject to the penalties provided in subsection (b) and the civil remedies provided in subsection (c), except that a parent or legal guardian of a minor shall not be subject to any penalties or civil remedies under this section for such activities insofar as they are directed exclusively at that minor.


(b) Penalties.—Whoever violates this section shall—
(1)
in the case of a first offense, be fined in accordance with this title, or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and
(2)
in the case of a second or subsequent offense after a prior conviction under this section, be fined in accordance with this title, or imprisoned not more than 3 years, or both;
except that for an offense involving exclusively a nonviolent physical obstruction, the fine shall be not more than $10,000 and the length of imprisonment shall be not more than six months, or both, for the first offense; and the fine shall, notwithstanding section 3571, be not more than $25,000 and the length of imprisonment shall be not more than 18 months, or both, for a subsequent offense; and except that if bodily injury results, the length of imprisonment shall be not more than 10 years, and if death results, it shall be for any term of years or for life.
(c) Civil Remedies.—
(1) Right of action.—
(A) In general.—
Any person aggrieved by reason of the conduct prohibited by subsection (a) may commence a civil action for the relief set forth in subparagraph (B), except that such an action may be brought under subsection (a)(1) only by a person involved in providing or seeking to provide, or obtaining or seeking to obtain, services in a facility that provides reproductive health services, and such an action may be brought under subsection (a)(2) only by a person lawfully exercising or seeking to exercise the First Amendment right of religious freedom at a place of religious worship or by the entity that owns or operates such place of religious worship.
(B) Relief.—
In any action under subparagraph (A), the court may award appropriate relief, including temporary, preliminary or permanent injunctive relief and compensatory and punitive damages, as well as the costs of suit and reasonable fees for attorneys and expert witnesses. With respect to compensatory damages, the plaintiff may elect, at any time prior to the rendering of final judgment, to recover, in lieu of actual damages, an award of statutory damages in the amount of $5,000 per violation.

 
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You give them just regular bread and smile and say go ahead we’ve got plenty then that ruins their entire plan because they’ve failed to antagonize you which was their whole intention from the beginning.

I wonder how this would work in an RC context, where they don't have antidoron/orban (blessed, but not consecrated bread)...also, is it cool with you to lie le that -- y'know, letting them think they've received the Eucharist when they haven't?

I feel like that's also a no-go, albeit for other reasons.
 
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I wonder how this would work in an RC context, where they don't have antidoron/orban (blessed, but not consecrated bread)...also, is it cool with you to lie le that -- y'know, letting them think they've received the Eucharist when they haven't?

I feel like that's also a no-go, albeit for other reasons.
The protestors could also licitly obtain a consecrated host and then burn an unconsecrated one, without disclosing this salient fact to “the authorities”; that’d be a court case I’d watch!
 
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They matter to the offender. The church won’t be held responsible for it, the offender will. Just get another piece of bread and consecrate it and let God deal with them. The worst thing Christians can do is let it bother them, that’s exactly what they want. So don’t give them the satisfaction. You really want to stop them in their tracks? Give them more bread and say here burn this to if it makes you feel any better we have more. Letting it get to you only strengthens their desire to do it again because your making it a success for them. Don’t give them the satisfaction.
That’s exactly what I was trying to get across on this thread. Ignoring it or not showing that it bothers you is the best strategy. As someone who has planned many workplace union actions, ypu know you’ve succeeded if the other side talks about it afterwards or reacts with emotion. When they ignore it and go on as if nothing happens, it’s demoralizing. So if they want to demoralize the Eucharist-burners (that never ended up surfacing,) they should ignore it.
 
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That’s exactly what I was trying to get across on this thread. Ignoring it or not showing that it bothers you is the best strategy.
So, why didn't blacks use that tactic in the civil rights movement.......if so effective in your opinion? Or BLM instead of rioting, looting and burning cities?
 
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So, why didn't blacks use that tactic in the civil rights movement.......if so effective in your opinion? Or BLM instead of rioting, looting and burning cities?
How’d we get to BLM?
 
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So, why didn't blacks use that tactic in the civil rights movement.......if so effective in your opinion? Or BLM instead of rioting, looting and burning cities?
It’s a tactic for the target of protests, not for protesters. Obviously.
 
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It’s a tactic for the target of protests, not for protesters. Obviously.
Protests are made up of protesters; they control it.....and they obviously preferred to loot, burn and riot rather than follow your opinion.
 
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Protests are made up of protesters; they control it.....and they obviously preferred to loot, burn and riot rather than follow your opinion.
You clearly have no idea what I’m talking about, even after I explained who the tactic of "ignoring it" works for. If you want to complain about rioters, start another thread.
 
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You clearly have no idea what I’m talking about, even after I explained who the tactic of "ignoring it" works for. If you want to complain about rioters, start another thread.
Compare and contrast......you should have learned this during junior high English class......entirely appropriate......
How to Write a Compare-and-Contrast Essay
 
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You clearly have no idea what I’m talking about, even after I explained who the tactic of "ignoring it" works for
BTW, it doesn't work for anyone......try using it on your spouse.....
 
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That’s exactly what I was trying to get across on this thread. Ignoring it or not showing that it bothers you is the best strategy. As someone who has planned many workplace union actions, ypu know you’ve succeeded if the other side talks about it afterwards or reacts with emotion.

They are not willing to let holy things be desecrated. That is not an option to get a political "win". Even if that were an "effective" strategy, they see protecting the Eucharist as a non-negotiable.

So they might

- have security teams to protect the Eucharist
- shut the door when they see them coming in their handmaid outfits, call the police

But they are not just going to let people treat holy things with contempt so they can show it doesn't "bother" them. Because it is not about their feelings, but what is holy.
 
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Before the law the bread (or ashes of the bread) are just what it appears to be; at best you could get a “hate-crime” maybe, but the “theft” would be the “market value” of the consumable. I’m not even sure that a court could recognize the wafer as “the Eucharist”.

It’s still punishable by jail time and goes on their record so that the punishment will be more severe for repeat offenses.
 
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I wonder how this would work in an RC context, where they don't have antidoron/orban (blessed, but not consecrated bread)...also, is it cool with you to lie le that -- y'know, letting them think they've received the Eucharist when they haven't?

I feel like that's also a no-go, albeit for other reasons.

I never said anything about telling them that it is the Eucharist.
 
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