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That's the beauty of grace and power of the Holy Spirit, that serving becomes a joy for us. But still, getting told what to do isn't good news. The good news, as you said, is that it's not up to your works of obedience--but God's grace and love.

But even still, the commandment to good works is not the good news, it is the works that the one who has believed the good news does.

In the Lutheran tradition we speak of the "Three Uses of the Law" as a helpful way to properly understand the place and significance of the Law in Christian life, faith, and practice.

In short:

The first use describes the Law as a fence which surrounds man, saying "Do not cross this line"; the second use describes the Law as justly condemning us and pronouncing us guilty since we consistently cross those lines, whether by action, inaction, in word, thought, and deed: we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, there is none who is righteous, not even one. And the third use describes the way of life for the people of God--that is, the call to a life of loving obedience and discipleship; not for God's sake (God doesn't need our good works), but for our neighbor's sake (our neighbor does need our good works).

Understanding that none of this is good news; the good news is what God has done for us--giving us His Son's righteousness as a pure, unconditional, free gift. The Good News, as it pertains to righteousness, is ONLY the imputed righteousness of Jesus, the passive righteousness which declares us righteous for Christ's sake.

"If you murder you will die" Isn't good news.
"You have murdered, and you will die." Isn't good news.
"Don't murder, but promote life." Still isn't good news.

But, "You, the guilty murderer, are forgiven, and not only can you walk out of this prison cell but you are now an adopted child of the King of the universe" that's good news.

If it does not soothe the guilty conscience of the sinner by declaring them fully and freely forgiven, then it isn't--and can't be--Gospel.

-CryptoLutheran

Like, agree and informative.

I think Lutheranism presents good theology regarding this. I've also listed to a lot of what Jordan B Cooper has to say.

In the world of Protestantism there's a schism between what's called Lordship Salavation by many which focuses on commitment, obedience, obligation and perseverance. John MacArthur who best known for teaching this, wrote about it in a book he titled "The Gospel According to Jesus". Although it seems to me that's its really just mostly Catholicism.

Then there's the Free Grace folks who denounce all of that as works based salvation and seem to focus exclusively on the Paul's teaching regarding grace. But the objection to this is it promotes and encourages carnal Christianity.

So that's the "two gospels" most talk about.
 
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As usual I see a lot of dialog with no conclusion.

I don't call myself Rabbi, Master, Teacher, or Father. So if you're looking for someone who does call themselves by one of those names, and draws conclusions for you, I'm definitely not your guy.

It would appear they believes that Jesus came preaching only to Jewish people. And Paul preached something completely different than Jesus did.

I mean, it's obviously wrong. But at least it's an actual statement of belief I think.

-CryptoLutheran

The House of Judah, based in Jerusalem. (Judah, Benjamin and Levi)
...The Kingdom is still divided.......... (Hosea 1:6-10 = 1 Peter 2:10)
The House of Israel, based in Galilee. (the 10 Lost Tribes)

The word translated Jew is literally Judaean. Paul is of Benjamin, and says there is no difference between Jews and Gentiles. For him, that must have been true.

But the Galileans are not the Judaeans, and cannot truthfully be called Jews. Jesus says He was sent only unto the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel (Matthew 15:24). Since Jesus says the Father sent Him, this means that the Father sent Jesus to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel. And as the Father sent Jesus, so did Jesus send His Galileans (Matthew 10:5-7)... and sends them again after His glorification (Matthew 28:16-20)... telling them to disciple all nations, teaching them to observe whatsoever Jesus has taught them... which includes all of the former verses.

Some believe Paul only preached grace, but that's not the case. Like Jesus Paul makes it clear what's acceptable to God and what isn't.

Different words = Different gospels

"If you murder you will die" Isn't good news.
"You have murdered, and you will die." Isn't good news.
"Don't murder, but promote life." Still isn't good news.

But, "You, the guilty murderer, are forgiven, and not only can you walk out of this prison cell but you are now an adopted child of the King of the universe" that's good news.

If it does not soothe the guilty conscience of the sinner by declaring them fully and freely forgiven, then it isn't--and can't be--Gospel.

Different focus = Different audiences

Some people don't object to being personally responsible for their sins: one of them sees Jeremiah 31:30, along with the frequently-quoted following verses.

I suspect a large part stems from a monumental failure to understand what Jesus means when He talks about God's kingdom.

I regularly come across people who think that Jesus was either talking about "going to heaven", or thinking Jesus is talking about some kind of restored Jewish nation. I especially don't understand the second one (the first is equally as wrong), as I don't see how anyone could get that from what the Lord said. Consistently He rejects that kind of notion of the kingdom, from His rebuking the devil's temptations in the wilderness to His declaration before Pilate that His kingdom is not of this world.

-CryptoLutheran
Judging the First Gospel by the 2nd Gospel... that doesn't work.

The Prophets speak specifically about the restoration of the divided kingdom, and the Father's tribes of Jacob making their way home. The Revelation 7:5-8 calls each tribe by name, Revelation 3:7-13 shows how the 144k are chosen, and Revelation 14:1-5 shows them wearing the Father's name on their forehead. Replacement theology will not work here.

Not of this world NOW

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My Kingdom is not of this world. If My Kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is My Kingdom not from hence.

Revelation 12:10-12 And I heard a loud voice saying in Heaven, Now is come salvation and strength, and the Kingdom of our God and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Revelation 19:13-14 And He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and His name is called The Word of God.[14] And the armies which were in Heaven followed Him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
 
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I don't call myself Rabbi, Master, Teacher, or Father. So if you're looking for someone who does call themselves by one of those names, and draws conclusions for you, I'm definitely not your guy.

In other words you're just going to keep posting reams of open ended material that doesn't go anywhere.
 
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I don't call myself Rabbi, Master, Teacher, or Father. So if you're looking for someone who does call themselves by one of those names, and draws conclusions for you, I'm definitely not your guy.

In other words you're just going to keep posting reams of open ended material that doesn't go anywhere.

Matthew 23:8-10 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master: Christ, and all ye are brethren.[9] And call no man your father upon the Earth: for one is your Father, which is in Heaven.[10] Neither be ye called teachers: for one is your Teacher: Christ.
 
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Matthew 23:8-10 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master: Christ, and all ye are brethren.[9] And call no man your father upon the Earth: for one is your Father, which is in Heaven.[10] Neither be ye called teachers: for one is your Teacher: Christ.

If that precludes you from making a point, then there's no point in making posts in the first place.
 
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Matthew 23:8-10 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master: Christ, and all ye are brethren.[9] And call no man your father upon the Earth: for one is your Father, which is in Heaven.[10] Neither be ye called teachers: for one is your Teacher: Christ.

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I don't call myself Rabbi, Master, Teacher, or Father. So if you're looking for someone who does call themselves by one of those names, and draws conclusions for you, I'm definitely not your guy.

In other words you're just going to keep posting reams of open ended material that doesn't go anywhere.

Matthew 23:8-10 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master: Christ, and all ye are brethren.[9] And call no man your father upon the Earth: for one is your Father, which is in Heaven.[10] Neither be ye called teachers: for one is your Teacher: Christ.

If that precludes you from making a point, then there's no point in making posts in the first place.

You're looking like you keep forgetting the conversation that led to my response. You seem to be a follower looking for a leader.

In the Kingdom of God, all are equals, with not one humanRabbi, humanMaster, humanFather, humanTeacher... not one single Nicolaitan(victory over the people) in sight. This is the warning given by the Father, in Revelation 2:1-6.

The Father doesn't give laws for no reason. He knows what's coming and is warning you: If you have humanteachers, you will be slaves at the bottom of the pyramid with the eye of the dragon on it's peak.

Remember what happened to Israel, when they asked for a king... and were buried alive under the taxation that created a temple... when God doesn't even dwell in temples (Isaiah 66)... and hates sacrifice done by sinful men. (Micah 6:6-8)

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I don't call myself Rabbi, Master, Teacher, or Father. So if you're looking for someone who does call themselves by one of those names, and draws conclusions for you, I'm definitely not your guy.



The House of Judah, based in Jerusalem. (Judah, Benjamin and Levi)
...The Kingdom is still divided.......... (Hosea 1:6-10 = 1 Peter 2:10)
The House of Israel, based in Galilee. (the 10 Lost Tribes)

The word translated Jew is literally Judaean. Paul is of Benjamin, and says there is no difference between Jews and Gentiles. For him, that must have been true.

But the Galileans are not the Judaeans, and cannot truthfully be called Jews. Jesus says He was sent only unto the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel (Matthew 15:24). Since Jesus says the Father sent Him, this means that the Father sent Jesus to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel. And as the Father sent Jesus, so did Jesus send His Galileans (Matthew 10:5-7)... and sends them again after His glorification (Matthew 28:16-20)... telling them to disciple all nations, teaching them to observe whatsoever Jesus has taught them... which includes all of the former verses.



Different words = Different gospels



Different focus = Different audiences

Some people don't object to being personally responsible for their sins: one of them sees Jeremiah 31:30, along with the frequently-quoted following verses.


Judging the First Gospel by the 2nd Gospel... that doesn't work.

The Prophets speak specifically about the restoration of the divided kingdom, and the Father's tribes of Jacob making their way home. The Revelation 7:5-8 calls each tribe by name, Revelation 3:7-13 shows how the 144k are chosen, and Revelation 14:1-5 shows them wearing the Father's name on their forehead. Replacement theology will not work here.

Not of this world NOW

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My Kingdom is not of this world. If My Kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is My Kingdom not from hence.

Revelation 12:10-12 And I heard a loud voice saying in Heaven, Now is come salvation and strength, and the Kingdom of our God and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Revelation 19:13-14 And He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and His name is called The Word of God.[14] And the armies which were in Heaven followed Him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Right, so like I figured--you don't have a licking clue what you're talking about.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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That's the beauty of grace and power of the Holy Spirit, that serving becomes a joy for us. But still, getting told what to do isn't good news. The good news, as you said, is that it's not up to your works of obedience--but God's grace and love.

But even still, the commandment to good works is not the good news, it is the works that the one who has believed the good news does.

In the Lutheran tradition we speak of the "Three Uses of the Law" as a helpful way to properly understand the place and significance of the Law in Christian life, faith, and practice.

In short:

The first use describes the Law as a fence which surrounds man, saying "Do not cross this line"; the second use describes the Law as justly condemning us and pronouncing us guilty since we consistently cross those lines, whether by action, inaction, in word, thought, and deed: we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, there is none who is righteous, not even one. And the third use describes the way of life for the people of God--that is, the call to a life of loving obedience and discipleship; not for God's sake (God doesn't need our good works), but for our neighbor's sake (our neighbor does need our good works).

Understanding that none of this is good news; the good news is what God has done for us--giving us His Son's righteousness as a pure, unconditional, free gift. The Good News, as it pertains to righteousness, is ONLY the imputed righteousness of Jesus, the passive righteousness which declares us righteous for Christ's sake.

"If you murder you will die" Isn't good news.
"You have murdered, and you will die." Isn't good news.
"Don't murder, but promote life." Still isn't good news.

But, "You, the guilty murderer, are forgiven, and not only can you walk out of this prison cell but you are now an adopted child of the King of the universe" that's good news.

If it does not soothe the guilty conscience of the sinner by declaring them fully and freely forgiven, then it isn't--and can't be--Gospel.

-CryptoLutheran

Different focus = Different audiences

Some people don't object to being personally responsible for their sins: one of them sees Jeremiah 31:30, along with the frequently-quoted following verses.

I suspect a large part stems from a monumental failure to understand what Jesus means when He talks about God's kingdom.

I regularly come across people who think that Jesus was either talking about "going to heaven", or thinking Jesus is talking about some kind of restored Jewish nation. I especially don't understand the second one (the first is equally as wrong), as I don't see how anyone could get that from what the Lord said. Consistently He rejects that kind of notion of the kingdom, from His rebuking the devil's temptations in the wilderness to His declaration before Pilate that His kingdom is not of this world.

-CryptoLutheran

The Prophets speak specifically about the restoration of the divided kingdom, and the Father's tribes of Jacob making their way home. The Revelation 7:5-8 calls each tribe by name, Revelation 3:7-13 shows how the 144k are chosen, and Revelation 14:1-5 shows them wearing the Father's name on their forehead. Replacement theology will not work here.

Not of this world NOW

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My Kingdom is not of this world. If My Kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is My Kingdom not from hence.

Revelation 12:10-12 And I heard a loud voice saying in Heaven, Now is come salvation and strength, and the Kingdom of our God and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Revelation 19:13-14 And He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and His name is called The Word of God.[14] And the armies which were in Heaven followed Him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Right, so like I figured--you don't have a licking clue what you're talking about.

-CryptoLutheran

That's it? No refutation of the facts with... other facts?
 
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That's it? No refutation of the facts with... other facts?

Alright, let's deal with just one fact and see what happens from there.

You said that the word translated as "Jew" is actually "Judean". While not strictly incorrect, it very much referred to not just Judeans, residents of Judea; nor only to the tribe/kingdom of Judah. A Jew was anyone who followed the Jewish religion, regardless of tribal affiliation. As such the post-exilic works of Ezra-Nehemiah simply speak of the Jews, collectively--the return of the Jews from captivity, and the rebuilding of the Temple. Whether we are talking later Greek or Roman rule over the region, "Jew" was the identity of the people. Jesus, a Galilean Jew, was of the tribe of Judah. Paul, a Jew from Tarsus, was of the tribe of Benjamin. A member of the Diaspora in Rome was no less Jewish than the Palestinian Jews living in Jerusalem.

The "lost sheep of Israel" means "the Jewish people"; as Jesus is making the distinction between the Gentile woman and the Jews.

The "lost sheep of Israel" in the most immediate sense simply refers to Jewish people. And yet, the episode of the Gentile woman is an absolutely valuable thing, because if we really are paying attention to Jesus, if we are actually understanding what this whole Messiah thing is supposed to actually and really be about--this Gentile woman is made a member of the household of Israel through this One she speaks to, for He says of her, "O woman, how great your faith!"; not unlike the words spoken to the Roman centurion, where the Lord Messiah says, "I have not witnessed such faith in all of Israel".

Israel gets bigger in Jesus. Read the Suffering Servant poem in Isaiah. Isaiah very specifically identifies the servant as Israel, and yet by Isaiah 53 that servant is a man, a man of sorrows. In the Messiah the covenant is made full, and He not merely represents, but is Israel; and thus He is the Seed of Abraham, He is the fullness of the Prophets, He is the fulfillment of the covenants, the promises. And thus He is the Temple of God, the High Priest of God, and the Lamb of God.

And if you can get that, then you can get Paul.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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You're looking like you keep forgetting the conversation that led to my response. You seem to be a follower looking for a leader.

In the Kingdom of God, all are equals, with not one humanRabbi, humanMaster, humanFather, humanTeacher... not one single Nicolaitan(victory over the people) in sight. This is the warning given by the Father, in Revelation 2:1-6.

The Father doesn't give laws for no reason. He knows what's coming and is warning you: If you have humanteachers, you will be slaves at the bottom of the pyramid with the eye of the dragon on it's peak.

Remember what happened to Israel, when they asked for a king... and were buried alive under the taxation that created a temple... when God doesn't even dwell in temples (Isaiah 66)... and hates sacrifice done by sinful men. (Micah 6:6-8)

To be honest, to me you're just one of a few eccentric strangers on the internet who has an unusual cryptic doctrine, and I'm trying to figure it and you out. Which puts me in the role of being an examiner and perhaps even an analyst, rather than aspiring to be your student.
 
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Alright, let's deal with just one fact and see what happens from there.

You said that the word translated as "Jew" is actually "Judean". While not strictly incorrect, it very much referred to not just Judeans, residents of Judea; nor only to the tribe/kingdom of Judah. A Jew was anyone who followed the Jewish religion, regardless of tribal affiliation. As such the post-exilic works of Ezra-Nehemiah simply speak of the Jews, collectively--the return of the Jews from captivity, and the rebuilding of the Temple. Whether we are talking later Greek or Roman rule over the region, "Jew" was the identity of the people. Jesus, a Galilean Jew, was of the tribe of Judah. Paul, a Jew from Tarsus, was of the tribe of Benjamin. A member of the Diaspora in Rome was no less Jewish than the Palestinian Jews living in Jerusalem.

Jesus is the root and offspring of David = tribe of Judah.
Benjamin is one of the 3 tribes of the the House of Judah. 1 Kings 11:29-32
Ezra and Nehamiah are from the Babylonian captivity = House of Judah.

If both halves of the divided kingdom of Solomon are being mentioned in the same verse... they cannot be the same people.

John 7:1 After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for He would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill Him.
Ioudaia = feminine of Ioudaios(with ge(land) implied); the Judaean land (i.e. Judaea), a region of Palestine:--Judaea.
John 4:3 He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.

Matthew 2:22 But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galilee.

Matthew 4:25 And there followed Him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan. ... (= more of Judaea than just Jerusalem)

Matthew 19:1 And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these sayings, He departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judaea beyond Jordan;

Matthew 24:15-21 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)[16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains

This last verse means the time of Jacob's trouble has begun... and ties into the Revelation's Resurrection of the Two Witnesses... where their enemies, seeing them taken up, give glory to God... and head for the hills.

The "lost sheep of Israel" means "the Jewish people"; as Jesus is making the distinction between the Gentile woman and the Jews.

The "lost sheep of Israel" in the most immediate sense simply refers to Jewish people. And yet, the episode of the Gentile woman is an absolutely valuable thing, because if we really are paying attention to Jesus, if we are actually understanding what this whole Messiah thing is supposed to actually and really be about--this Gentile woman is made a member of the household of Israel through this One she speaks to, for He says of her, "O woman, how great your faith!"; not unlike the words spoken to the Roman centurion, where the Lord Messiah says, "I have not witnessed such faith in all of Israel".
That verse in full actually says "the Lost Sheep of House of Israel"
= the 10-Lost-Tribes. ... but Judah wasn't lost.

Nationality: "the status of belonging to a particular nation, whether by birth or naturalization."

BTW, the Bible never uses the term "gentile woman" in that verse... it says she's living in Canaan... that's it.

Matthew 15:21-28 Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon.[22] And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto Him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, Thou Son of David; My daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

And These aren't genetic-Canaanites

Zechariah 11:7-14 And I will tend the flock of slaughter in the land of Chanaan: and I will take for Myself two rods; the one I called Beauty, and the other I called Line; and I will tend the flock.[8] And I will cut off three shepherds in one month; and My soul shall grieve over them, for their souls cried out against Me.[9] And I said, I will not tend you: that which dies, let it die; and that which falls off, let it fall off; and let the rest eat every one the flesh of his neighbour.[10] And I will take My beautiful staff, and cast it away, that I may break My Covenant which I made with all the people.[11] And it shall be broken in that day; and the Chananites, the sheep that are kept for Me, shall know that it is the word of the Lord.[12] And I will say to them, If it be good in your eyes, give Me My price, or refuse it. And they weighed for My price thirty pieces of silver.[13] And the Lord said to Me, Drop them into the furnace, and I will see if it is good metal, as I was proved for their sakes. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them into the furnace in the house of the Lord.[14] And I cast away My second rod, even Line, that I might break the possession between Juda and Israel.LXX
 
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You're looking like you keep forgetting the conversation that led to my response. You seem to be a follower looking for a leader.

In the Kingdom of God, all are equals, with not one humanRabbi, humanMaster, humanFather, humanTeacher... not one single Nicolaitan(victory over the people) in sight. This is the warning given by the Father, in Revelation 2:1-6.

The Father doesn't give laws for no reason. He knows what's coming and is warning you: If you have humanteachers, you will be slaves at the bottom of the pyramid with the eye of the dragon on it's peak.

Remember what happened to Israel, when they asked for a king... and were buried alive under the taxation that created a temple... when God doesn't even dwell in temples (Isaiah 66)... and hates sacrifice done by sinful men. (Micah 6:6-8)

rather than aspiring to be your student.

Well duuuh...
 
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Jesus is the root and offspring of David = tribe of Judah.
Benjamin is one of the 3 tribes of the the House of Judah. 1 Kings 11:29-32
Ezra and Nehamiah are from the Babylonian captivity = House of Judah.

If both halves of the divided kingdom of Solomon are being mentioned in the same verse... they cannot be the same people.

John 7:1 After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for He would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill Him.
Ioudaia = feminine of Ioudaios(with ge(land) implied); the Judaean land (i.e. Judaea), a region of Palestine:--Judaea.
John 4:3 He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.

In Jesus' time Galilee and Judea were separate regions, as was Samaria. That's what Ἰουδαίᾳ refers to, the region of Judea, as distinct from Galilee and Samaria. Later, following the Bar Kohkba uprising, Hadrian combined the provinces of Galilee and Judea into the new province of Palestina, and he also reduced Jerusalem to a Roman colony, renamed Aelia Capitolina and banished all Jews from the city.

Matthew 2:22 But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galilee.

Matthew 4:25 And there followed Him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan. ... (= more of Judaea than just Jerusalem)

Matthew 19:1 And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these sayings, He departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judaea beyond Jordan;

Matthew 24:15-21 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)[16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains

This last verse means the time of Jacob's trouble has begun... and ties into the Revelation's Resurrection of the Two Witnesses... where their enemies, seeing them taken up, give glory to God... and head for the hills.

Well, except, and this is important, this refers to the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem and its desecration during the Jewish-Roman War fought between 66-70 AD. As that is the entire context of the Olivet Discourse.

That verse in full actually says "the Lost Sheep of House of Israel"
= the 10-Lost-Tribes. ... but Judah wasn't lost.

Nope. It doesn't. The "lost sheep of the house of Israel" = Jews. There is absolutely no basis for claiming the lost sheep of Israel are "10 lost tribes". Especially, and again this is important, there's no such thing as "ten lost tribes". That's a myth.

Nationality: "the status of belonging to a particular nation, whether by birth or naturalization."

BTW, the Bible never uses the term "gentile woman" in that verse... it says she's living in Canaan... that's it.

Matthew 15:21-28 Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon.[22] And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto Him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, Thou Son of David; My daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

And These aren't genetic-Canaanites

Zechariah 11:7-14 And I will tend the flock of slaughter in the land of Chanaan: and I will take for Myself two rods; the one I called Beauty, and the other I called Line; and I will tend the flock.[8] And I will cut off three shepherds in one month; and My soul shall grieve over them, for their souls cried out against Me.[9] And I said, I will not tend you: that which dies, let it die; and that which falls off, let it fall off; and let the rest eat every one the flesh of his neighbour.[10] And I will take My beautiful staff, and cast it away, that I may break My Covenant which I made with all the people.[11] And it shall be broken in that day; and the Chananites, the sheep that are kept for Me, shall know that it is the word of the Lord.[12] And I will say to them, If it be good in your eyes, give Me My price, or refuse it. And they weighed for My price thirty pieces of silver.[13] And the Lord said to Me, Drop them into the furnace, and I will see if it is good metal, as I was proved for their sakes. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them into the furnace in the house of the Lord.[14] And I cast away My second rod, even Line, that I might break the possession between Juda and Israel.LXX

Mark 7:26, she is identified as a Greek Syro-Phoenician woman.

ἡ δὲ γυνὴ ἦν Ἑλληνίς Συροφοινίκισσα τῷ γένει καὶ ἠρώτα αὐτὸν ἵνα τὸ δαιμόνιον ἐκβάλῃ ἐκ τῆς θυγατρὸς αὐτῆς

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Well duuuh...

It isn't really considering you rambled on about;

Ligurian said:

"You seem to be a follower looking for a leader.

In the Kingdom of God, all are equals, with not one humanRabbi, humanMaster, humanFather, humanTeacher..."
 
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Mark 7:26, she is identified as a Greek Syro-Phoenician woman.

ἡ δὲ γυνὴ ἦν Ἑλληνίς Συροφοινίκισσα τῷ γένει καὶ ἠρώτα αὐτὸν ἵνα τὸ δαιμόνιον ἐκβάλῃ ἐκ τῆς θυγατρὸς αὐτῆς

Yeah but Mark isn't part of Ligurian's gospel of the kingdom.
 
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The "lost sheep of the house of Israel" = Jews. There is absolutely no basis for claiming the lost sheep of Israel are "10 lost tribes". Especially, and again this is important, there's no such thing as "ten lost tribes". That's a myth.


Mark 7:26, she is identified as a Greek Syro-Phoenician woman.
(2) I never favor hearsay over ... Jesus' witnesses: John 15:20-27.

(1) Wishing doesn't make it so, re: the 10-Lost-Tribes.

The Kingdom Is Still Divided

Yeah but Mark isn't part of Ligurian's gospel of the kingdom.

I didn't write John 15:27 ... or John 17:20.
 
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It isn't really considering you rambled on about;

Ligurian said:

"You seem to be a follower looking for a leader.

In the Kingdom of God, all are equals, with not one humanRabbi, humanMaster, humanFather, humanTeacher..."

But you don't follow the Gospel of the Kingdom... so how does that apply to you?
 
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But you don't follow the Gospel of the Kingdom... so how does that apply to you?

You were going on and on about how you're not my teacher rabbi master et al, simply because I asked you to give a summation and make a point. It's like you're afraid if you try to find the point, you'll discover there really isn't any.

As for following your "Gospel of the Kingdom" so far all that's been presented by you is a rabbit hole that doesn't go anywhere.
 
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