Pixar's Turning Red and "Controversy"

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I will say that when Mei was thrashing around in her room, it was very, very, very like my daughter's periods. My wife had very mild periods with hardly any cramping, so my daughter's incredibly painful cramps were distressing to both of us. And she also had epilepsy that started when she was in the eighth grade...that certainly made the situation much worse.
 
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Empathy doesn't help when it's you that is overcome by new chemical imbalances.

Better than having no empathy at all, having the understanding of that situation can aid even if it isn't perfect, especially with underdeveloped prefrontal cortex and hormones for impulse control


I'm talking about young kids accessing inappropriate contenthub.com on their cell phones. I don't think it's "prudish" to categorize that website as "hardcore inappropriate contentography."

Not sure they're accessing it as much as you claim: again, source needed on this, not going to just take your word for it

What's new is that hardcore inappropriate contentography is incredibly more accessible to children now than it's ever been...it's literally right at their fingertips.

inappropriate contentography itself is an issue. There are significant studies that inappropriate contentography make some of the same changes in the brain that chemically addictive substances make.

Then the solution should not be stigmatizing it like you're doing, but address it in a way that doesn't just solve an issue after the fact, but address it ahead of the incidence

Moreover, inappropriate contentography causes children to believe that what they see on inappropriate contentographic websites is what sexual relations are supposed to look like, and it's sheer volume is more convincing than parents or teachers can be.

I've actually had conversations with teenagers about their inappropriate contentography habits, and its pervasiveness and its affects on their sexual attitudes.

And this anecdotal experience indicates what exactly? If teens don't have trust in parents, it's not purely their fault, you can't put all the blame on them for being rebellious since that's in their nature at that age


I don't know why you're trying to make that point with me.


If you consider yourself sex positive, not sure you're doing a good job reflecting it. inappropriate contentography can be acknowledged as having harmful potential without painting it with broad strokes as innately harmful, otherwise the latter is just sex negativity
 
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It is a mistake to think of movies like Turning Red or any other movie as primarily a means of teaching a lesson. It is not. It is entertainment. That is the core purpose of movies. But there are many ways of entertaining. Some movies use humor, like the 20th century Warner Brothers cartoons. Movies that do teach a lesson do not so much teach as help the viewer realize something within themselves that was there all along. Sticking with Pixar, we can look at Soul, which teaches that we should appreciate the little moments of life and live every minute of it. Or Coco, which teaches the value of remembering our loved ones. But if that's all they did - teach a lesson - they would be big flops. People do not watch Soul or Coco to learn a lesson. They watch it to have their emotions taken for a ride. Good movies present characters in such a way that we grow to care about them. As @RDKirk observed, movies can even make us care about a trash-compacting robot just as much as an eleven year old girl from Eden Prairie who moves to San Francisco. Usually, the characters we have grown to care about have a satisfying resolution. But not always. Take Grave of the Fireflies, an animated film from Studio Ghibli where the only characters we have grown to care about both die of starvation. Even that is entertaining in a sad sort of way. If movies teach a lesson, it is only as a side-effect and not the principle goal of the filmmakers.

That said, it is often the case that good movies do teach a lesson. As for Turning Red, people see lessons in it depending on where they are coming from. It may not even be a lesson that was envisioned by the director. I liked it because it subverts expectations. I was surprised to see Mei's three friends remain supportive the entire movie. A more hackneyed writing of the script would have made Mei totally isolated so as to increase the tension. Or they might have made Mei handicapped or a poor student or have a totally toxic relationship with her mother. But no. Mei had a reasonably good relationship with her mother and her mother really did care about her. There really was no stereotypical villain such as we saw in many of the early Disney movies. Everyone had a redemption arc - even Tyler, the school bully! This is satisfying entertainment, lesson or no lesson. We might say the characters in the movie learned lessons - not the viewers. We like to watch others learn lessons that we sort of knew and are being reminded of through the film.

I don't know if any of you watch "reaction videos", but this is a whole genre of YouTube videos made by all sorts of different YouTubers. There are reaction videos to just about any big name movie you might mention. In particular, there are a ton of reaction videos to Turning Red. These are supposedly made by the YouTuber watching the movie for the very first time and reacting to it with commentary along the way. Some are pretty good. Others are downright boring. But they do give a good window into what moves people in real time. It is very different from a carefully-crafted review made after watching a movie. In many of these videos, the YouTuber cries at certain scenes. This says more than any review. Anyway, I have watched a few reaction videos to Turning Red, and the places that gets the strongest reaction from the viewer are when Ming shows the drawings to Devon and others, when Mei is thrashing about in her empty cell of a room (so there won't be any more accidents), when Mei doesn't stand up for her friends accused by Ming of corrupting her after the Tyler party, when Mei's friends and 4Town join the chant at the Sky Dome, and when Mei comforts a young Ming in the bamboo forest. Just go to YouTube and search for "Turning Red reaction".
It's not either/or, it's entirely possible to learn lessons while also being entertained, they aren't mutually exclusive. Not sure anyone claimed it was primarily about a lesson unless they were fearmongering about "grooming" and "indoctrination" via Disney, a thing that's been around as a rallying cry for repressive conservatives for decades.

Even the second time around, some of the scenes I had a reaction to hit almost harder in a way, like Mei's outbursts early on, or her being comforted by her friends about midway through
 
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why would "young kids" have a cell phone?
unnecessary for a young kid to have one

our kid is 14 & I see NO reason for her to have a cell

I didn't even want one but husband got me one for Christmas the yr we became parents....he said "in case of emergency" and that's what it's for....no one has my number except husband....not the school, not any other family member, NO ONE.....I won't give it out
A smartphone versus a pager or limited flip phone is pretty significant. I had a cellphone, flip phone from when I was 13, only got a smartphone around my late 20s. It's for emergencies with children and emphasizing that is hardly crazy.
 
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I would beg to differ, as adults don't watch cartoons. They tend to leave childhood behind, even millennials.

I'll leave it here, we will simply have to agree to disagree.
Except the facts are against you on that: adults regardless of age are not above watching cartoons, you assume far too much from an outdated perspective that might've been valid in the 60s or 70s when animation for adults was still experimental and not gaining traction yet. Nowadays, even back in the late 90s or 2000s, animation for adults was starting to become far more relevant and recognized.
 
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A lot of young kids do have cell phones. Many kids in middle school have them, and those who have them show "neat" things to those who don't.

As I've said, I work with teenaged boys, and we talk about inappropriate content, many of those I've talked to had seen it on cell phones as early as the seventh grade...and those were high schoolers, so it had been going on for several years even then.

Don't keep your head in the sand about inappropriate contentography addiction among teenagers.
Was it any different back in the 90s when cell phone access was more limiteed and didn't allow for what is much easier nowadays? I had a friend who we would look up swear words in the dictionary and he showed me M rated games and such when I was barely 10-11. Am I scarred for life or affected negatively? I don't think so, but that's a whole other discussion of violent/sexual video games

Exposure to inappropriate contentography is not the same as addiction, you have to demonstrate the latter versus just extrapolating from stories that may not have the full context or information
 
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