Aussies - what are your thoughts on moving Australia Day?
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Nothing wrong with Aussie food. If your an Aborigine, that is.
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Imagine the Nazi's had kept Europe during WW2.
They're in charge of Poland.
They decided Poland's national day was 1 September 1939.
Polish citizens object - but the Nazi's reply that sure, they may have made some mistakes back in the day. But this is the new modern Nazi regime of the 2020's - they know not to burn Jews and blacks and homosexuals now. Can't we all just agree that Poland is great - and continue celebrating that on 1st September - the anniversary of Germany marching in and taking over?
That's us today trying to quell Aboriginal sentiment about moving Australia day.
They're in charge of Poland.
They decided Poland's national day was 1 September 1939.
Polish citizens object - but the Nazi's reply that sure, they may have made some mistakes back in the day. But this is the new modern Nazi regime of the 2020's - they know not to burn Jews and blacks and homosexuals now. Can't we all just agree that Poland is great - and continue celebrating that on 1st September - the anniversary of Germany marching in and taking over?
That's us today trying to quell Aboriginal sentiment about moving Australia day.
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I'm from a country that was invaded by Jutes, Angles, Saxons, Rome, Vikings, countless Celtic tribes, the Dutch and the French. The Dutch failed in their invasion attempt. So who do I sue? Who do I blame? 40% of my language is based on French words. Should I demand a return to Ye Olde English? Or Saxon?
If it was not for the guts, determination and sacrifice of mostly white men in WW2, the whingers would be speaking Japanese. I have an idea. Get over it.
FYI I was married to a part Aboriginal. My two children identify as Aboriginal. They've managed to get on with life without crying over the past.
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You appear to be white and identify strongly with the white heroes who saved us all from the bad other.... let's see.... white guys marching across Europe - oh wait.
Also, in your revisionist history, no one else was having trouble with the Japanese. No, not at all! They didn't invade other countries that were trying to fight back. Also, what had happened to the indigenous peoples of those other lands like the Americas that fought the Japanese? Were they white for a reason?
Maybe there's a reason mostly white folks from America fought back against the Japanese aggression at Pearl Harbour. Because most of the indigenous nations had already been wiped out and radically reduced in number.Nice blinkers there mate!
Also, what national day does Britain have to commemorate that was forced on them by their conquerors? Sorry - what date of French invasion is this again? Just whisper it in our ears and we'll all learn. Oh, that's right - there is no UK national day but an English one. And they celebrate St Georges Day when St George slew the dragon. Boy - that must just chew you up inside! A guy kills a dragon on your national day - please share your grief and rage and indignation with us!
How humiliating! You can just feel the conquered shame dripping off these pages - those Jutes and French etc forcing this on you! Oh wait...
Hey - was St George white as well? It must be great to have such a clear view of history. I mean, you've sucked up all the shame and discrimination of being white - you poor dear - I wonder when they will ever close the gap?
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If we DID decide to move Australia day I think we should put it behind Anzac Day. We'd have the solemn military day first, then the next day to party. Or not party - but .... recover. The way some of my old army mates got after playing 2 up at the pub - wow. 
Our military services NEED Australia Day to follow Anzac day - just saying!
Our military services NEED Australia Day to follow Anzac day - just saying!
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As a friend wrote:
To believe that 26 January remains an appropriate national day we must accept that the events from this moment in time in 1788 are worth celebrating both now and into the future, that they speak to us down through the ages in a way to make us a better, stronger and more united nation.
Our record of what happened that day on the shores of Sydney Harbour is incomplete. We know that Governor Arthur Phillip went ashore with a company of grenadiers and some convicts to ‘take possession of the land’; that he sent for the Union Jack at about three in the afternoon; and that sometime after that, a flag raising ceremony took place, marked with four volleys of small arms fire.
But it would be a mistake to trivialise these events as merely a quaint bit of eighteenth-century theatre. The hoisted standard of Great Britain, like a brand seared into the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] of a steer, meant but one thing: that the land over which it flew was a possession of this northern hemisphere power. Everything on, above or under the land, in its rivers and seas, existed for the prestige, wealth and convenience of Britain and its loyal subjects.
Those gathered with Phillip under the unfurling Union Jack and those on the ships that heard the celebratory shots would have known that any person or group that opposed Britain using its territory as it saw fit would be overcome with force, lethal if that’s what it took.
This unshakeable belief in its own absolute sovereign rights was to fuel wholesale land theft, mass murder, forced family separations and human rights abuses of the worst kind imaginable. The nation that abducted and enslaved nearly three quarters of a million people from Africa in the last decades of the eighteenth century was not squeamish about shedding blood to achieve its ends.
The fledgling democracy that replaced colonial rule on 1 January 1901 and brought together the Australian colonies as a federation did not usher in change or right the wrongs of the past. Indeed, the policies of the new federal government, for the most part, simply picked up where colonial rule left off.
But it was on this date that something happened that we can celebrate both now and in the years to come. A system – a way of governing ourselves – was brought into being that allows the better angels of our nature to make our society a fairer and more just place. It gives us the opportunity to redefine and challenge our values and how they should be applied in public policy. Federation Day says we can do better as a nation.
The suffering and misery experienced by first nations peoples cannot be separated from 26 January 1788. We should remember this and acknowledge the ongoing pain the day causes indigenous Australians. But our national celebrations for who we are as a country and what we can become belong on another date and the case for 1 January is compelling.
To believe that 26 January remains an appropriate national day we must accept that the events from this moment in time in 1788 are worth celebrating both now and into the future, that they speak to us down through the ages in a way to make us a better, stronger and more united nation.
Our record of what happened that day on the shores of Sydney Harbour is incomplete. We know that Governor Arthur Phillip went ashore with a company of grenadiers and some convicts to ‘take possession of the land’; that he sent for the Union Jack at about three in the afternoon; and that sometime after that, a flag raising ceremony took place, marked with four volleys of small arms fire.
But it would be a mistake to trivialise these events as merely a quaint bit of eighteenth-century theatre. The hoisted standard of Great Britain, like a brand seared into the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] of a steer, meant but one thing: that the land over which it flew was a possession of this northern hemisphere power. Everything on, above or under the land, in its rivers and seas, existed for the prestige, wealth and convenience of Britain and its loyal subjects.
Those gathered with Phillip under the unfurling Union Jack and those on the ships that heard the celebratory shots would have known that any person or group that opposed Britain using its territory as it saw fit would be overcome with force, lethal if that’s what it took.
This unshakeable belief in its own absolute sovereign rights was to fuel wholesale land theft, mass murder, forced family separations and human rights abuses of the worst kind imaginable. The nation that abducted and enslaved nearly three quarters of a million people from Africa in the last decades of the eighteenth century was not squeamish about shedding blood to achieve its ends.
The fledgling democracy that replaced colonial rule on 1 January 1901 and brought together the Australian colonies as a federation did not usher in change or right the wrongs of the past. Indeed, the policies of the new federal government, for the most part, simply picked up where colonial rule left off.
But it was on this date that something happened that we can celebrate both now and in the years to come. A system – a way of governing ourselves – was brought into being that allows the better angels of our nature to make our society a fairer and more just place. It gives us the opportunity to redefine and challenge our values and how they should be applied in public policy. Federation Day says we can do better as a nation.
The suffering and misery experienced by first nations peoples cannot be separated from 26 January 1788. We should remember this and acknowledge the ongoing pain the day causes indigenous Australians. But our national celebrations for who we are as a country and what we can become belong on another date and the case for 1 January is compelling.
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I honestly don't know why these protests are necessary - or this poor person had to paint this poster? Seriously - it's 2022! Oh yeah - and the fact that it took the far-left to come up with a poster like this is a bit of a rebuke to OrdoLiberals like myself.
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Australia Day will change as the older generation dies off. The trend is that Aussies under 35 want it to change.
60% of Australians want to keep Australia Day on January 26, but those under 35 disagree
My preferred other option for Australia is NOT Federation- which is New Year's Day and obviously not a viable date.
How about the first Parliament - celebrating the first time that our leaders actually got together for the first time to do the business of running this country? It had pomp and ceremony and Royalty and all that jazz.
60% of Australians want to keep Australia Day on January 26, but those under 35 disagree
My preferred other option for Australia is NOT Federation- which is New Year's Day and obviously not a viable date.
How about the first Parliament - celebrating the first time that our leaders actually got together for the first time to do the business of running this country? It had pomp and ceremony and Royalty and all that jazz.
First Commonwealth Parliament
On 9 May 1901, the first Parliament of the Commonwealth of Australia is opened by His Royal Highness The Duke of York and Cornwall (later George V), on behalf of King Edward VII.
Federation and the Seat of Government debate, 1900‒1911
On 9 May 1901, the first Parliament of the Commonwealth of Australia is opened by His Royal Highness The Duke of York and Cornwall (later George V), on behalf of King Edward VII.
Federation and the Seat of Government debate, 1900‒1911
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FOR MOVING AUSTRALIA DAY TO ANOTHER DAY:-
1. A day of national celebration *could* occur on another day to CELEBRATE what we have in Australia now.
2. This would free the day from appearing to "celebrate" what our indigenous Australians see as "Invasion Day" and a precursor to the genocide/s that were about to occur. As the wiki says: "Some Australians regard Australia Day as a symbol of the adverse impacts of British settlement on Australia's Indigenous peoples.[53] In 1888, prior to the first centennial anniversary of the First Fleet landing on 26 January 1788, New South Wales premier Henry Parkes was asked about inclusion of Aboriginal people in the celebrations. He replied: "And remind them that we have robbed them?"[54]"
Australia Day - Wikipedia
3. We are a young nation, officially formed on New Year's Day 1901 - and Australia Day has 'only' been celebrated nation wide since 1935. We can change the day we celebrate this country if we want to. (How - referendum?)
4. It takes a lot to make Aussies go to a protest and there are tens of thousands of people now protesting our national day. "Thousands of people participate in protest marches in capital cities on Invasion Day/Australia Day; estimates for the 2018 protest in Melbourne range into tens of thousands.[56][57][58][59]"
FOR KEEPING ON 26 JAN:
1: European settlement - with all the good and bad that brought with it - is the forge that smelted the Australia we want to celebrate today, and 26th January is a historically significant day to celebrate the good in Australia.
2: Who said a national day can only celebrate the good? Can't we also commemorate and mourn the bad as well - and pay honour to those victims of our genocides in much the same way as we commemorate ANZAC day? A day of national celebration can be nuanced and remember the good and the bad in both speeches, performances, and monuments. We could start the day almost like ANZAC day with a lament for the bad - and then in the afternoon move onto the Australia Day awards and celebrating the good.
We are an educated people hopefully capable of holding more than one thought in our heads at a time.
3. What day would we move it to? The day we federated is the 1st January 1901 - so that day might involve too many hangovers from another very Aussie style of celebrating! (Not that I endorse that kind of celebrating - if you know what I mean?)
Jan 26th is the middle of the Australian Summer. It is the perfect time for a bank holiday. Given the hassle of moving it why bother?
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Why bother?
Because our indigenous nations abhor it.
It is divisive and considered racist.
Most under 35's hate it.
They see it as if Nazi Germany had won, and were asking Poland to be happy as they celebrated 1st September 1939 as their national holiday!
As older generations die-off - it is just going to happen!
I just don't want some kind of kitsch thing like "May 8" (Mate day) to take over as the zeitgeist.
The 9th May is a more culturally and historically appropriate day to celebrate.
It led to this painting.
National identity is more than just a summer holiday.
And we haven't celebrated Australia Day as a holiday that long anyway!
We're a new nation and have made some mistakes along the way - so let's acknowledge the pain we're doing to our indigenous nations and move Australia Day to the opening of our first national parliament.
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That's just wrong. There were many unique forms of agriculture - just not what you would think of as agriculture. Agriculture is land management to produce food - and there are a number of characteristics of their fire-stick farming that qualify it as farming. The same with their river management and large eel ponds and weirs and traps.
"The extensive size and complexity of the Budj Bim cultural site also challenge the concept that all Indigenous people were nomadic [4]. The cultural site holds the remains of wooden, thatched dome and even stone dwellings. It is hoped that studying this complex aquaculture site will help Indigenous communities to create new industries including eel aquaculture and wild rice agriculture [5]."
Also see the notes on their native yam and grain farming.
https://www.integratesustainability.com.au/2019/08/07/australias-hidden-agricultural-legacy/
Before then it was a land largely influenced by Aboriginal fire-stick farming, and made more productive than it would have been without such farming. "Wilderness" is historically and scientifically inaccurate.
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You are 100% correct, and I'll be even blunter; the only people who want the date changed are those uneducated, lazy upper-middle class far-left millennials who like to vote Green and think we should all be ashamed of ourselves if we happen to be white. Everyone else sees this as being a non-issue, and just wants to be left in peace to celebrate this holiday without all the silly drama that now surrounds it.
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