Are you mixing the 2 Gospels together?

pescador said:

The New Testament is divided into 27 separate "books". It's been that way for thousands of years.

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My question was answered in post #337.

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Matthew-John, Gospel of the Kingdom. Acts is the veil between the 2 Gospels. Paul’s 13 Epistles of the Grace Gospel, for the last 2000yrs, up to when we are raptured.(happening very soon).
Hebrews-Revelation, is the future Gospel of the Kingdom, where there will be 3600yrs, where Elijah comes to restore all things, before the great tribulation at the end.
Kingdom Gospel is the bride, Grace Gospel is the Body of Christ.

Peter John said:

Matthew-John, Gospel of the Kingdom. Acts is the veil between the 2 Gospels. Paul’s 13 Epistles of the Grace Gospel, for the last 2000yrs, up to when we are raptured.(happening very soon).
Hebrews-Revelation, is the future Gospel of the Kingdom, where there will be 3600yrs, where Elijah comes to restore all things, before the great tribulation at the end.
Kingdom Gospel is the bride, Grace Gospel is the Body of Christ.

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What about the epistles of John, James and Peter? Do they fall in with Paul's epistles?

Ligurian said:

The difference between people who have tattoos
... and the people who don't:
The people WITH tattoos don't mind that you don't.

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That's a very cryptic analogy.

Ligurian said:

Your gospel's doctrines don't affect me.
I follow the Gospel to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.

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In other words you read Matthew through John and disregard the rest of the New Testament.

I've taken note that the latter parts of Acts forward (Paul's epistles in particular) talk about the kingdom of God.

Acts 14:22, Acts 19:8, Acts 28:23, Acts 28:31.
1 Corinthians 4:20, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Corinthians 6:10, 1 Corinthians 15:50, Galatians 5:21, Colossians 4:11, 1 Thessalonians 2:12, 2 Thessalonians 1:5, 2 Timothy 4:1.

Ligurian said:

The difference between people who have tattoos
... and the people who don't:
The people WITH tattoos don't mind that you don't.

Your gospel's doctrines don't affect me.
I follow the Gospel to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.

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if your not seeing them, its because you are holding to the other Paul spoke to ...

Peter John said:

No, all the disciples are Gospel of the Kingdom, by works, who we (Gospel of Grace) will be judging them for 3600yrs, as we are raptured, before the start of the Day of the Lord, that Paul saw, whereas the OT prophets could only see how the Day of the Lord ends! (After 3600yrs)

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So where can I find these ideas being taught by any theologians of note over the last two thousand years?

-CryptoLUtheran

pescador said:

The New Testament is divided into 27 separate "books". It's been that way for thousands of years.

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IYO, Does accepted mean quoted in old manuscripts? Or just canonized by tptw?

The Development of the Canon of the New Testament - Cross Reference Table: Writings and Authorities

MMXX said:

That's a very cryptic analogy.



In other words you read Matthew through John and disregard the rest of the New Testament.

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Does cryptic mean unintelligible for you? I don't mind if people don't believe the Gospel of the Kingdom. And if I feel it's misrepresented, I defend it.

NT books... If it matches what Matthew and John record, then it's the Gospel of the Kingdom (John 15:26-27, John 17:20). The Revelation of Jesus to John is also the Gospel of the Kingdom.

Ligurian said:

Does cryptic mean unintelligible for you? I don't mind if people don't believe the Gospel of the Kingdom. And if I feel it's misrepresented, I defend it.

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Cryptic as in puzzling. I'm able to follow PhD theologians alright, so I doubt the problem has been on my end. Sometimes when people try to explain things they do it from their frame of reference, which the other person doesn't share.

Ligurian said:

NT books... If it matches what Matthew and John record, then it's the Gospel of the Kingdom (John 15:26-27, John 17:20). The Revelation of Jesus to John is also the Gospel of the Kingdom.

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Now that's comprehensive and concise, like I had been asking for, for several pages. "Peter John" already gave me a similar answer right away.

Ligurian said:

Your gospel's doctrines don't affect me.
I follow the Gospel to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.

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honey badger said:

if your not seeing them, its because you are holding to the other Paul spoke to ...

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I've argued for and against BOTH gospels... for yeeeaars now. Got something new for me?
Anything you're seeing?... I've already dissected and dragged under a microscope.
I've read Pauline-Dispensational-College textbooks. I've heard Messianic-Gentiles and Rastafarians. I've read enough eastern religious books to know what NOT to read. I've read ancient Greek Religion, and Barddas. I've studied Comparative Religion and learned Astrology, etc., etc., ad nauseam. ... What are you bringing to the table that's not already there?

And, chronologically, the other is 2nd: "one or the other" not "the other or one".
So, which gospel came first?... depends on who did the hearing of it.
For gentiles, Paul's gospel is first.

For the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel, the Gospel of the Kingdom is the one.

honey badger said:

Adam/man measures everything ... which is this other gospel, which is not another Paul was speaking to ...

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Ligurian said:

The difference between people who have tattoos
... and the people who don't:
The people WITH tattoos don't mind that you don't.

Your gospel's doctrines don't affect me.
I follow the Gospel to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.

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Seems clear to me...
"Adam/man measures everything"... but actually only the Pauline-people.
"Adam/man measures" = only the people without tattoos.

The people with tattoos don't try to make the w/o-tattoo-people get tattoos.
The Kingdom Gospel people don't try to evangelize the Pauline people.
But they do try to protect their own Gospel from poachers.

MMXX said:

Cryptic as in puzzling. I'm able to follow PhD theologians alright, so I doubt the problem has been on my end. Sometimes when people try to explain things they do it from their frame of reference, which the other person doesn't share.


Now that's comprehensive and concise, like I had been asking for, for several pages. "Peter John" already gave me a similar answer right away.

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Cool... I hope you "like"d him for it... (even though I disagree with him)

Peter John said:

Well, it would help if you watched the first 6 videos of Terral Croft, on YouTube. If you are meant to know the Truth, along the way, you will have a light bulb moment, like I did, or God will cause you to reject it, that simple!

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Who is Terral Croft and why do I need to watch YouTube to find "the Truth"?

-CryptoLutheran

Ligurian said:

Seems clear to me...
"Adam/man measures everything"... but actually only the Pauline-people.
"Adam/man measures" = only the people without tattoos.

The people with tattoos don't try to make the w/o-tattoo-people get tattoos.
The Kingdom Gospel people don't try to evangelize the Pauline people.
But they do try to protect their own Gospel from poachers.



Cool... I hope you "like"d him for it... (even though I disagree with him)

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Why are you replying to your own post and referring to yourself in the third person?

Peter John said:

You don’t, ignore the suggestion, or if you are curious, have a look!

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No, I think I'll stick with Scripture and two thousand years of Christian teaching.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

No, I think I'll stick with Scripture and two thousand years of Christian teaching.

-CryptoLutheran

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2000 years of christian teaching has next to nothing to do with scripture, albeit it it is scriptural ... another gospel that is not another ...

honey badger said:

2000 years of christian teaching has next to nothing to do with scripture, albeit it it is scriptural ... another gospel that is not another ...

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What is your basis for saying that "2000 years of christian teaching has next to nothing to do with scripture"? Do you really think that Christian (capitalized) teaching is different from what the Bible, particularly the New Testament, says?