Margaret3110
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Not everyone has access to public libraries, nor can everyone afford to buy a copy.
Maybe I'm spoiled by our local library ...
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Not everyone has access to public libraries, nor can everyone afford to buy a copy.
Nothing is wrong with having Harry Potter there in my opinion. But if a majority of any group decided they didn't want it in an institution they control, why does my will get to dictate to them what I might prefer? This is a hypothetical, not a real scenario, but the point is to get across that localities should be able to decide for themselves what materials they want in the schools or institutions they are in control of.
I see no general principal why any group as to admit material it thinks is detrimental.
Public libraries can be magical places. I recently visited Carnegie Library number 13. Beautiful, and yes it has a ghost.Maybe I'm spoiled by our local library ...
If a locality wants to ban a certain book from it's venues nothing changes in my assessment. They have every right to ban it or to remove it, or whatever. If this is a question of vocal minorities, almost all the most vocal parties are minorities. The minority that wins out gets what it wants.You are again confusing collection development with banning. If the book meets the criteria of the collection development policy and it was purchased and added to the collection, what is the purpose of removing it? Simply to keep a vocal minority happy?
Public libraries can be magical places. I recently visited Carnegie Library number 13. Beautiful, and yes it has a ghost.
If a locality wants to ban a certain book from it's venues nothing changes in my assessment. They have every right to ban it or to remove it, or whatever. If this is a question of vocal minorities, almost all the most vocal parties are minorities. The minority that wins out gets what it wants.
Now, unless you want to force the group you disagree with to add material you like, what is your position here? Is it simply an objection to what they are doing but you'll let them do it? Or do you want state intervention to force your view on a certain locality?
Agreed. Have you ever read Dewey the Library Cat? I highly recommend it!I love libraries. I take my son to ours multiple times a week. Everyone should have access to an excellent public library.
Agreed. Have you ever read Dewey the Library Cat? I highly recommend it!
I don't know why you don't see the connection here. A library which refuses to add a book for whatever reason or takes a book out of it, for whatever reason, is doing the same thing. They are limiting the reach of said book for whatever particular reason they have. What I would like to be made clear is if you think an outside authority should force the local authority to have the material you deem necessary.If it were me I would contact the ACLU and take the matter to court so long as the material met the collection development policy. And you keep going back to adding material. We are not talking about collection development here. I don’t know why you can’t figure that out.
I don't know why you don't see the connection here. A library which refuses to add a book for whatever reason or takes a book out of it, for whatever reason, is doing the same thing. They are limiting the reach of said book for whatever particular reason they have.
What I would like to be made clear is if you think an outside authority should force the local authority to have the material you deem necessary.
Is that your view? To me I don't see a difference between refusing to add a book and removing a book because you disagree with it. It's the same thing in effect.
I cried when I read it—wonderful book.I have not, but looks like my library has it. Thanks for the recommendation.
Again, you are confusing collection development with removing purchased books from the collection.
One is collection development, the other is removing an already-held item from the collection. I don’t know why you can’t figure that out.
There is no difference. Both have the same effect.
And if they want to get rid of it, they can. Just because it's in a collection doesn't make it sacred.
But you haven't answered my previous question. Not directly. Would you force libraries or schools or whatever, to have materials you approve of which they have rejected?
It's not that I believe it, as in it's an absolute belief like my belief in Christianity. I just recognize the necessity of it and that it is impossible to escape censorship completely. To do so is to cease to have standards and then you must allow any and all material to be present everywhere. That's a libertine view which I cannot endorse. Neither can you i suspect, but I won't pretend my view offers perfect liberty. It offers liberty to communities to regulate themselves and not from someone like you.Sad that you believe in censorship.
I did answer your question directly. What about “I would contact the ACLU and let them take the matter to court” don’t you understand?
Because it’s FREEDOM OF SPEECH.But they don't want the book there and you are insisting they keep it there. Why do they have to have it? What are you willing to do if they are insistent on getting rid of it or not accepting other books you want in the school library?
Oh man. It’s not WE the Librarians or Archivists, my man who have that authority.It's not that I believe it, as in it's an absolute belief like my belief in Christianity. I just recognize the necessity of it and that it is impossible to escape censorship completely. To do so is to cease to have standards and then you must allow any and all material to be present everywhere. That's a libertine view which I cannot endorse. Neither can you i suspect, but I won't pretend my view offers perfect liberty. It offers liberty to communities to regulate themselves and not from someone like you.
If you don't allow for communities to set the limits on their own conduct, the material they have or their way of life, then you view it as necessary to determine for them what they ought to do.
So you would seek to compel others to abide by your will? What gives you that authority?
Same. I LOVE my library.Maybe I'm spoiled by our local library ...
Remember, Archivist that he’s from New Zealand. Idk how libraries are run there…you might have more info than me.If it were me I would contact the ACLU and take the matter to court so long as the material met the collection development policy. And you keep going back to adding material. We are not talking about collection development here. I don’t know why you can’t figure that out.
Oh man. It’s not WE the Librarians or Archivists, my man who have that authority.
We are the guardians of freedom of speech and expression no matter how little we agree or disagree with it.
People REQUEST books. We purchase them.
But see, it is up to THE INDIVIDUAL to regulate THEMSELVES.
How are you ANY BETTER than ISIS, honestly?
Because it’s FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
ITS MUH FIRST AMEDMENT RIGHTS all y’all like to screech about.
At least in the US. You’re from New Zealand so it’s like what section 14 of the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990?