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No, Satan is not still making war against Christians. God has "slain that dragon which is in the sea" - that great serpent - and that "prince of the power of the air" does not exist anymore. Paul promised the Roman believers in Romans 16:20 that God was going to crush Satan under their feet "shortly".

In the age that was soon coming to the readers of Hebrews 2:5, the world would not be in subjection to these wicked angels anymore. However, this does not rid the world yet of the presence of the human "children of the devil", as Christ termed the Pharisees in His days, (since they acted like their father the Devil by the lies which they spoke). Also, in the heart of every fallen member of mankind lies the tendency to deceive ourselves and others. ("The heart is deceitful above all things...") This is quite enough to keep us occupied in resisting both of these human evil forces, even if Satan and his devils and unclean spirits are not around anymore to instigate evil.



Yes, that "short time" of a loosed, infuriated Satan from AD 33 until AD 66 was relatively small in comparison to the literal thousand-year period of Satan's binding which had just expired at that point in AD 33. A "short time" of a literal 33 years later, Satan and his devils were imprisoned within the city of Jerusalem for the duration of the war, allowed to torment the inhabitants of the city, as Isaiah, Christ, and John had all predicted.

The only reason your argument is sustained is because you and all Extreme Preterists explain away Revelation 20 and locate it at a time before the first resurrection which contracts the teaching and detail of this much debated passage.

The wording sacred text actually forbids your argument.
 
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that Greek word always means small. But I agree that word small can be relative. So what are you comparing Satan’s small season to? His time is “short” as compared to what?

Compared to the invisible eternal realm.

Satan is a spiritual being and operates in the spiritual realm. He is not bound by space and time. The term "short" is relative to who is purported to operate there. For humans a few days, weeks or years can be classed as a short period of time. For God, time is just a blink for Him. I believe it is the same for Satan. Time is short compared to eternity.
 
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In the OT there was also no condemnation, Christ did not change the fact of forgiveness, He just changed the method of receiving it. There was no condemnation to the people in the OT as well.

Neh 8:9-12 And Nehemiah, who was the governor, Ezra the priest and scribe, and the Levites who taught the people said to all the people, "This day is holy to the LORD your God; do not mourn nor weep." For all the people wept, when they heard the words of the Law. Then he said to them, "Go your way, eat the fat, drink the sweet, and send portions to those for whom nothing is prepared; for this day is holy to our Lord. Do not sorrow, for the joy of the LORD is your strength." So the Levites quieted all the people, saying, "Be still, for the day is holy; do not be grieved." And all the people went their way to eat and drink, to send portions and rejoice greatly, because they understood the words that were declared to them.


Just think for a minute, how many times the devil condemns us in our minds for sin, and tries to separate us from God. The following still happens even to this day.

Job 1:6-12 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. And the LORD said to Satan, "From where do you come?" So Satan answered the LORD and said, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it." Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?" So Satan answered the LORD and said, "Does Job fear God for nothing? Have You not made a hedge around him, around his household, and around all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. But now, stretch out Your hand and touch all that he has, and he will surely curse You to Your face!" And the LORD said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on his person." So Satan went out from the presence of the LORD.

Not true! Before being cast out of heaven through Christ’s victorious assault on his kingdom the devil had access to both heaven and earth. He had the ability to come before God to accuse the brethren of their sins. When he was cast down he no longer had access to heaven but only to earth.

We know Satan is overcome because Christ overcame him. He can no longer accuse us before the throne of God, so he has to come to us direct down here and point the finger at us - that is if we listen him! Through the casting out of Satan, after man's penalty had been paid in full, he no longer had anything to accuse the elect over.

The only power that Satan possesses is that which man gives him. If every single human being on this earth ignored him, he would be totally impotent. But, there is a twisted tendency within man that prefers the voice of Satan to the voice of God.

Christ’s death, burial and resurrection was the decisive blow against Satan. His defeat has already been wrought. This passage plainly shows the powerful result of Calvary and the deep impact it had upon Satan. It shows us that Satan is now under Christ’s feet and is now subject to His Sovereign will. Satan and his minions are barred from heaven. They have been banished after they were defeated 2,000 years ago.

Christ predicted the historic and eternal downfall of Satan in John 12:31-33, shortly before the cross: Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die.”

Christ’s death, burial and resurrection were the decisive blows against Satan. His defeat has already been wrought. This passage plainly shows the powerful result of Calvary and the deep impact it had upon Satan. It shows us that Satan is now under Christ’s feet and is now subject to His Sovereign will. Satan and his minions are barred from heaven. They have been banished after they were defeated 2,000 years ago.
 
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The only power that Satan possesses is that which man gives him. If every single human being on this earth ignored him, he would be totally impotent. But, there is a twisted tendency within man that prefers the voice of Satan to the voice of God.
Even without this figurehead, man is quite capable of being adversaries to God.
 
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The only reason your argument is sustained is because you and all Extreme Preterists explain away Revelation 20 and locate it at a time before the first resurrection which contracts the teaching and detail of this much debated passage

It's very simple to identify when the "First Resurrection" occurred (and the other Revelation events linked with it). It was when "Christ the FIRST-fruits" arose from the dead in AD 33, and the Matthew 27:52-53 saints rose that same day. There were 144,000 of those Jewish "FIRST-fruits' who came out of their graves around Jerusalem and stood with the Lamb on Mount Zion in Jerusalem. We are told that those many resurrected saints went into the city of Jerusalem and were seen of many.

Christ was also called the "FIRST-begotten from among the dead", and the "FIRST-born of every creature". That's a lost of "FIRSTS" so that no one can mistake the significance and timing of that "FIRST resurrection" occasion.

The millennium was "finished" and "expired" when that "First resurrection" in AD 33 happened. Simultaneously, Satan was also cast out of heaven and loosed on earth for a "short time" from his millennial chain when that millennium expiration and "First resurrection" had happened. This wasn't supposed to be deep.
 
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It's very simple to identify when the "First Resurrection" occurred (and the other Revelation events linked with it). It was when "Christ the FIRST-fruits" arose from the dead in AD 33, and the Matthew 27:52-53 saints rose that same day. There were 144,000 of those Jewish "FIRST-fruits' who came out of their graves around Jerusalem and stood with the Lamb on Mount Zion in Jerusalem. We are told that those many resurrected saints went into the city of Jerusalem and were seen of many.

Christ was also called the "FIRST-begotten from among the dead", and the "FIRST-born of every creature". That's a lost of "FIRSTS" so that no one can mistake the significance and timing of that "FIRST resurrection" occasion.

The millennium was "finished" and "expired" when that "First resurrection" in AD 33 happened. Simultaneously, Satan was also lcast out of heaven and loosed on earth for a "short time" from his millennial chain when that millennium expiration and "First resurrection" had happened. This wasn't supposed to be deep.

When did the millennium start and finish? When did Satan's little season start and finish?
 
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Not true! Before being cast out of heaven through Christ’s victorious assault on his kingdom the devil had access to both heaven and earth. He had the ability to come before God to accuse the brethren of their sins. When he was cast down he no longer had access to heaven but only to earth.

We know Satan is overcome because Christ overcame him. He can no longer accuse us before the throne of God, so he has to come to us direct down here and point the finger at us - that is if we listen him! Through the casting out of Satan, after man's penalty had been paid in full, he no longer had anything to accuse the elect over.

The only power that Satan possesses is that which man gives him. If every single human being on this earth ignored him, he would be totally impotent. But, there is a twisted tendency within man that prefers the voice of Satan to the voice of God.

Christ’s death, burial and resurrection was the decisive blow against Satan. His defeat has already been wrought. This passage plainly shows the powerful result of Calvary and the deep impact it had upon Satan. It shows us that Satan is now under Christ’s feet and is now subject to His Sovereign will. Satan and his minions are barred from heaven. They have been banished after they were defeated 2,000 years ago.

Christ predicted the historic and eternal downfall of Satan in John 12:31-33, shortly before the cross: Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die.”

Christ’s death, burial and resurrection were the decisive blows against Satan. His defeat has already been wrought. This passage plainly shows the powerful result of Calvary and the deep impact it had upon Satan. It shows us that Satan is now under Christ’s feet and is now subject to His Sovereign will. Satan and his minions are barred from heaven. They have been banished after they were defeated 2,000 years ago.

Regardless of the time when you think Satan was cast to earth. You have to look closely at the next chapter and you will see satan manifests visibly on earth. To the degree that he receives direct worship.

Rev 13:4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?"

This will indeed be a scary time for believers. As the bible says:

Rev 13:7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.

But I still do believe there is a different kind of being cast down that occurs in Revelation, which causes the physical manifestation of Satan. For if you look at this scripture:

Rev 12:10-11 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.

The "they" referred to, those who were accused, overcame by the blood of the Lamb. If this event refers to the time of Christ, the brethren overcoming by the blood of the lamb makes no sense. Only an event long after Christ fits this description.
 
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Regardless of the time when you think Satan was cast to earth. You have to look closely at the next chapter and you will see satan manifests visibly on earth. To the degree that he receives direct worship.

Rev 13:4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?"

This will indeed be a scary time for believers. As the bible says:

Rev 13:7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.

But I still do believe there is a different kind of being cast down that occurs in Revelation, which causes the physical manifestation of Satan. For if you look at this scripture:

Rev 12:10-11 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.

The "they" referred to, those who were accused, overcame by the blood of the Lamb. If this event refers to the time of Christ, the brethren overcoming by the blood of the lamb makes no sense. Only an event long after Christ fits this description.
 
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Looks like Jesus physically casts demons to earth in the last day. What would that look like to humans?
Will they look like humans, Matt 13:36-39, as in the explanation of the parable at face value, ie, no more metaphor or other literary devices...?
 
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When did the millennium start and finish?

Simple. The Revelation 20 millennium started in 968 / 967 BC: a literal thousand years before Christ's AD 33 "First resurrection" event. Count backward from AD 33, and that was the year when King Solomon had the Temple foundation stone laid down. This was prophesied by King David's last prophetic words about his son Solomon in Psalms 72:4 in the LXX, when David foretold that Solomon his son would "bring low the false accuser" by his actions (which was Satan the "accuser of the brethren").

The Revelation 20 millennium encompassed the entire period of a literal thousand years when there was a physical temple worship system designed by God in Jerusalem. This period was only a symbol, anticipating the real, spiritual temple which Christ would set up in AD 33 by Himself becoming the True foundation stone - the "chief cornerstone" - of the temple not made with hands, and built up of "living stones" on top of that foundation stone. That AD 33 year with its "First resurrection" was when the Revelation 20 millennium "expired" and was "finished".

That "expiration" of the Revelation 20 millennium in AD 33 occurred simultaneously with the casting out of Satan from heaven, and his being loosed on earth for just a "short time" until his destruction. After that "short time", Satan and his devils were prophesied to be imprisoned within the city of Jerusalem (Revelation 18:2 and Isaiah 24:21-23), which turned into "Lake of Fire" for Jerusalem's "second death" - similar in many respects to Jerusalem's first death under the Babylonian invasion by Nebuchadnezzar. After those many days of being imprisoned in Jerusalem, Satan was destroyed and turned into ashes on the earth, as Ezekiel 28:18-19 had prophesied. His angels would also "pass out of the land", according to Zechariah 13:2, which was subsequent to the AD 66-70 siege of Jerusalem described in Zechariah 12-14.

This destruction of Satan's host was prophesied to come after his imprisonment for those "many days" along with the "kings of the earth" who were also imprisoned in Jerusalem with them. These "kings of the earth" were the high priests of the land of Israel, according to scripture's own definition of them in Psalms 2:2 and Matthew 17:25-26. The high priest "kings of the earth" would be gone at the same time the demonic hosts would also be gone. And since we no longer have any high priests hanging around, that tells us that the Satanic realm is also gone as well, since they were to be eliminated at the same time and in the same location in Isaiah 24:21-23.
 
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The "they" referred to, those who were accused, overcame by the blood of the Lamb. If this event refers to the time of Christ, the brethren overcoming by the blood of the lamb makes no sense. Only an event long after Christ fits this description.

Not necessarily "long after", but subsequent to Christ's crucifixion death when the blood of the Lamb was shed. So it was 3 days and nights after the crucifixion when Satan was cast out of heaven - when Christ ascended to His Father that morning after His resurrection.
 
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Not necessarily "long after", but subsequent to Christ's crucifixion death when the blood of the Lamb was shed. So it was 3 days and nights after the crucifixion when Satan was cast out of heaven - when Christ ascended to His Father that morning after His resurrection.

But no one had at that point "resisted to bloodshed", it was not until years later that the apostles and other saints gave their lives for the faith. It points to a later time, not the crucifixion, nor resurrection.
 
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But no one had at that point "resisted to bloodshed", it was not until years later that the apostles and other saints gave their lives for the faith. It points to a later time, not the crucifixion, nor resurrection.

Yes, that "resistance to bloodshed" certainly had happened long before Christ's crucifixion. You probably remember the testimony that the martyr Stephen gave in condemnation of those in Jerusalem who had slain the prophets. In Acts 7:52, he caustically asked them, "Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers."

This was the slain death of those who had prophesied long before then of when Christ the Just One would come among the Jews. Jerusalem had been so predictably a persecutor of the righteous prophets, that Stephen accused them of persecuting and / or killing virtually ALL of the prophets.
 
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Yes, that "resistance to bloodshed" certainly had happened long before Christ's crucifixion. You probably remember the testimony that the martyr Stephen gave in condemnation of those in Jerusalem who had slain the prophets. In Acts 7:52, he caustically asked them, "Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers."

This was the slain death of those who had prophesied long before then of when Christ the Just One would come among the Jews. Jerusalem had been so predictably a persecutor of the righteous prophets, that Stephen accused them of persecuting and / or killing virtually ALL of the prophets.

But there are two points together:

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.

The blood of the Lamb was not available to the OT prophets.
 
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The blood of the Lamb was not available to the OT prophets.

Those OT prophets did not have to be alive on earth at the time for that shed blood to become efficacious on their account. Satan the "accuser of the brethren" had continued to accuse the saints, both alive and dead, until he was "thrown out of court" by the ascending Christ: the One who became the advocate and the Great High Priest for the saints.
 
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Simple. The Revelation 20 millennium started in 968 / 967 BC: a literal thousand years before Christ's AD 33 "First resurrection" event. Count backward from AD 33, and that was the year when King Solomon had the Temple foundation stone laid down. This was prophesied by King David's last prophetic words about his son Solomon in Psalms 72:4 in the LXX, when David foretold that Solomon his son would "bring low the false accuser" by his actions (which was Satan the "accuser of the brethren").

The Revelation 20 millennium encompassed the entire period of a literal thousand years when there was a physical temple worship system designed by God in Jerusalem. This period was only a symbol, anticipating the real, spiritual temple which Christ would set up in AD 33 by Himself becoming the True foundation stone - the "chief cornerstone" - of the temple not made with hands, and built up of "living stones" on top of that foundation stone. That AD 33 year with its "First resurrection" was when the Revelation 20 millennium "expired" and was "finished".

That "expiration" of the Revelation 20 millennium in AD 33 occurred simultaneously with the casting out of Satan from heaven, and his being loosed on earth for just a "short time" until his destruction. After that "short time", Satan and his devils were prophesied to be imprisoned within the city of Jerusalem (Revelation 18:2 and Isaiah 24:21-23), which turned into "Lake of Fire" for Jerusalem's "second death" - similar in many respects to Jerusalem's first death under the Babylonian invasion by Nebuchadnezzar. After those many days of being imprisoned in Jerusalem, Satan was destroyed and turned into ashes on the earth, as Ezekiel 28:18-19 had prophesied. His angels would also "pass out of the land", according to Zechariah 13:2, which was subsequent to the AD 66-70 siege of Jerusalem described in Zechariah 12-14.

This destruction of Satan's host was prophesied to come after his imprisonment for those "many days" along with the "kings of the earth" who were also imprisoned in Jerusalem with them. These "kings of the earth" were the high priests of the land of Israel, according to scripture's own definition of them in Psalms 2:2 and Matthew 17:25-26. The high priest "kings of the earth" would be gone at the same time the demonic hosts would also be gone. And since we no longer have any high priests hanging around, that tells us that the Satanic realm is also gone as well, since they were to be eliminated at the same time and in the same location in Isaiah 24:21-23.

This doesn't make sense. There is nothing described in Revelation 20 that applies to a thousand years before Christ.

First of all, your math is all wrong. 968/967 BC to AD 33 is not one thousand years. I do not know how you determine that.

Secondly, I do not accept your dating for Christ's first resurrection as AD 33, I believe it is AD30. But that is a side-issue compared to what we are talking about.

Thirdly, Christ only secured all power/authority after He defeated every enemy of righteousness. He came to this earth to confront and overcome every enemy that held man down/back. He became flesh in order to represent man and achieve what he could never secure.

Fourthly, How could Satan be bound by Christ before he was confronted and defeated? That is ridiculous. This is what Hahnism produces.

Fifthly, how were the nations/Gentiles not deceived between 968 / 967 BC? This is absurd and factually untrue.

Sixthly, how could the redeemed have experienced the first resurrection 1000 years before it actually occurred and how could they then be reigning in Christ for 1,000 years after He defeated sin, death, Satan, Hades and eternal punishment? That is nonsensical.
 
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Compared to the invisible eternal realm.

Satan is a spiritual being and operates in the spiritual realm. He is not bound by space and time. The term "short" is relative to who is purported to operate there. For humans a few days, weeks or years can be classed as a short period of time. For God, time is just a blink for Him. I believe it is the same for Satan. Time is short compared to eternity.

It is upon Satan’s casting out of heaven (Christ’s ascension) that his time is limited. When compared to eternity, it makes no sense to claim ~2,000 years (from Christ to today) is limited when ~6,000 years (Adam to today) is not limited. Why specifically did Satan know his time was limited at the ascension and not the garden of Eden? 2,000 years vs 6,000 years is a blink when compared to eternity.

what is Satan doing with this limited time following his casting out at Christ’s ascension?

It seems like he pursues the women in attempt to destroy her and then when he fails makes war with the rest of her offspring:

revelation 12:13 13And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.

revelation 12:17 And the dragon was enraged at the woman, and went to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

When do you place the beginning Satan’s limited time to pursue the woman and make war with her offspring after Christs ascension or still future?
 
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First of all, your math is all wrong. 968/967 BC to AD 33 is not one thousand years. I do not know how you determine that

Why is it wrong? We have the zero year to contend with, as well as the Hebraic practice of considering even a portion of a year as a full year. With these variables thrown in, this is simple to consider this thousand-year period of time as God's season of a sanctioned physical Temple worship system, acting as a precursor to the spiritual Temple Christ would establish at His resurrection. Scripture says that God by the Spirit gave King David the plans for the Temple, which were given to Solomon to execute, beginning with the foundation stone being laid down. Historical records point to either the 968 or 967 BC year for this.
Secondly, I do not accept your dating for Christ's first resurrection as AD 33, I believe it is AD30. But that is a side-issue compared to what we are talking about.

The way that I arrive at the AD 33 date was first noted by Ussher in his "Annals of the World". Scripture tells us in John 2:20 that "Forty-six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?" Herod had begun his temple renovation project in AD 17, and it was 46 years until that first Passover at the start of Jesus's public miraculous ministry in AD 30. Crucifixion to be later in AD 33.

Thirdly, Christ only secured all power/authority after He defeated every enemy of righteousness. He came to this earth to confront and overcome every enemy that held man down/back. He became flesh in order to represent man and achieve what he could never secure.

How does this contradict a millennium binding of Satan that began back in Solomon's days, as prophesied by King David in Psalms 72:4 in the LXX? The Trinity has always had all power over the earth and the things in it from its beginning. "Thy kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and thy dominion endureth throughout all generations.", Psalms 145:13 tells us. That was true before, during, and after the millennium binding of Satan from 968/967 BC until AD 33. Christ's incarnate ministry on earth only manifested that He had already bound Satan long ago, and as a sign of that PAST millennial binding of the "strong man", He cast out devils right and left, as well as His disciples under His authority.

Fourthly, How could Satan be bound by Christ before he was confronted and defeated? That is ridiculous. This is what Hahnism produces.

The millennial binding of Satan achieved a halt in Satan's deception of the nations; not his final defeat and annihilation into ashes. Many want to make the conditions of the millennium include vastly more than that single result, which is the ONLY condition stipulated by Revelation 20 that characterizes the millennium. It would be the equivalent of putting duct tape on a person's mouth for a time. They exist, they can breathe and move, but they cannot speak to deceive anyone for that period of time.


Fifthly, how were the nations/Gentiles not deceived between 968 / 967 BC? This is absurd and factually untrue.

Just because Satan was not the one doing the deceiving during that literal thousand years does not mean that humanity was not able to deceive itself by its own wicked heart inclinations. "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it?" "The wicked are estranged from the womb; they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies."

You will note that the bulk of the major and minor prophetic ministry in this world took place during those 968/967 through AD 33 years. "The law and the prophets were until John. Since then the kingdom is preached, and every man presseth into it." Christ was the ultimate Prophet that Moses predicted to come in Deuteronomy 18:15 and 18.

Deception is bound when ignorance of God is dispelled. This was the work of the prophets. Scripture says that "The entrance of thy words giveth light" (Psalms 119:130). Every time the word of the Lord came to the prophets and they opened their mouth and announced, "Thus saith the Lord..." the forces of darkness continued to be bound by that revelation. The nations may have still rejected that message, but they could not claim that they were deceived and ignorant of the God of Israel.

The fame of the God of Israel was broadcast from the time that Solomon started building the temple. Word got out to the nations, and kingdoms wished to be aligned with Solomon, which was why he ended up with a thousand wives and concubines. Every one of those nations bringing a prospective wife or concubine came with an ambassador who brought word back to their own country of the glory of the kingdom of Israel - and its God.

Even the decrees sent out by Nebuchadnezzar and Darius to their entire kingdom were their personal testimony to the power and glory of the God of Israel.

This did not have to result in complete evangelism of the known world at that time. Remember, just dispelling ignorance of the God of Israel fulfilled the terms of the millennium - that Satan himself could not keep the nations in deceived ignorance of the God of Israel's existence and power.


Sixthly, how could the redeemed have experienced the first resurrection 1000 years before it actually occurred and how could they then be reigning in Christ for 1,000 years after He defeated sin, death, Satan, Hades and eternal punishment? That is nonsensical.

It was the "REMNANT of the dead" who experienced that "First resurrection" in AD 33. That "REMNANT" (loipoi) was the Matthew 27:52-53 saints which numbered 144,000 of the Jewish First-fruits, raised the same day that Christ was at Jerusalem. During their ordinary lifetime on earth, each of those resurrected Matthew 27:52-53 saints, at various times during those 968/967 BC - AD 33 years, had "reigned with Christ" during their natural lifetime, by sharing in the benefits of a world that had Satan's deception bound for that set period of time.

You are presuming that this "reining with Christ" HAD to occur AFTER the literal thousand years. The language in Revelation 20:4-6 does not say that this reign with Christ followed AFTER the thousand years. And there is only one thousand-year period discussed in this entire context - not two as some others believe.
 
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I'm saying his time is limited. The word can also mean relatively small such as when it says few are chosen (it's not literally few, but relatively few). But, in this case, I believe it means he has a limited time. His time will obviously end eventually at which point he will be cast into the lake of fire (Rev 20:10).

Limited to do what and when does this limit begin?
 
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How does this contradict a millennium binding of Satan that began back in Solomon's days, as prophesied by King David in Psalms 72:4 in the LXX? The Trinity has always had all power over the earth and the things in it from its beginning. "Thy kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and thy dominion endureth throughout all generations.", Psalms 145:13 tells us. That was true before, during, and after the millennium binding of Satan from 968/967 BC until AD 33. Christ's incarnate ministry on earth only manifested that He had already bound Satan long ago, and as a sign of that PAST millennial binding of the "strong man", He cast out devils right and left, as well as His disciples under His authority.

You clearly have nothing to support your thesis. Your obsession with Hahnism is causing you to twist plain and simple Scripture to support your false claims. This is ridiculous and a total cop-out.

God's dominion did not begin with Solomon. It has been there from all eternity. To suggest otherwise is preposterous. Christ's earthly ministry was the battle field to strip Satan of his global influence. Your theology negates this and undermines the enormity of the heavenly task that Jesus achieved in defeating Satan on his own playing field.

So, you have presented nothing here to support Solomon perfecting the binding of Satan, nothing apart from your own opinions.

The millennial binding of Satan achieved a halt in Satan's deception of the nations; not his final defeat and annihilation into ashes. Many want to make the conditions of the millennium include vastly more than that single result, which is the ONLY condition stipulated by Revelation 20 that characterizes the millennium. It would be the equivalent of putting duct tape on a person's mouth for a time. They exist, they can breathe and move, but they cannot speak to deceive anyone for that period of time.

What are you talking about? The Gentiles are repeatedly depicted in the OT as imprisoned, blind, ignorant and in darkness. We see this is Lamentations 3:33-34, Psalm 68:6, 79:10-11, 102:19-20, 107:8-16, 146:7-8, Isaiah 14:12-17, 42:6-7, 49:8-9, 58:6-12, 60:1-3, 61:1 and 58:6-12.

Jesus said, in Luke 24:46-47, thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations (ethnos), beginning at Jerusalem.

For thousands of years before the cross Israel was the sole national custodian of the Gospel. However, the earthly ministry of Christ marked the turning point for this state of affairs. In fact, the resurrection was the pivotal event that opened the way for the global un-blinding of the Gentiles. This climactic event secured salvation for the “whosoever believeth” of all tribes, colours and nationalities – none excluded. Without Christ’s victory over sin, death and the grave the Gentiles would have remained in their darkened state. The Jewish rituals would have been restricted to a physical brick building in Jerusalem city, where Gentiles where kept on the outside.

It is a fact, the Gentile nations sat in darkness for 4,000 apart from one notable exception – the city of Ninevah. The veil of darkness covered every Gentile nation. Calvary saw the boundaries of the Gospel witness enlarged to embrace a global harvest field. The kingdom of God was preached in power and authority to the heathen “and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed” (Acts 13:48). Luke identifies the sufferings of Christ followed by his “rise from the dead the third day” as the catalyze for the Gentiles receiving the Gospel. Luke confirms that this occurred for the purpose “that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations” including Israel. The suffix attached to the end of this statement proves this, by saying, “beginning at Jerusalem.”

Acts 26:23 declares, “Christ should suffer, and that He should be the first resurrection from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles (ethnos)."

The first resurrection opened up the Gospel to the nations!

We should note in this passage, the enlightening of the Gentiles (or) ethnos is carefully connected to the first resurrection of Christ. It is only through this powerful event that the deception that smothered the Gentiles was lifted. Moreover, the binding of Satan is expressly connected to the enlightenment of the Gentiles (or) ethnos. The Amil understanding of "the first resurrection" can only be understood “in Christ.” The spiritual resurrection that a sinner realizes upon conversion is only realized in "the first resurrection" of Christ. Our second physical resurrection is also procured through the victory of "the first resurrection" of Christ. A Christian is raised from the grave of his sin in this life solely on the grounds of Christ’s first resurrection.

The general broad deception that engulfed the Gentiles in ignorance and darkness is lifted. They now can receive if they believe. That does not suggest the majority will.

Christ’s first resurrection was the start of the evangelization of the Gentiles. Most people see that in the New Testament. The Gentiles are depicted in the OT as being outside of hope, blind, in gross darkness, rebellious, bound in chains and in a prison. That all changed after the resurrection of Christ. The NT is a picture of Gentile evangelizing. That is all Rev 20 is saying.

The Bible makes general sweeping statements regarding the darkened Gentiles as a whole before Christ came. They "were without Christ ... aliens from the commonwealth of Israel ... strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world" before the First Advent, "but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.”

This reading looks back to a former era when Gentiles were overwhelmingly outsiders to the favor of God. They were “aliens,” “strangers” and “foreigners” of true believing Israel under the old covenant. There was an unsurmountable barrier or dividing wall that prevented the Gentiles generally from experiencing covenant grace.

According to this passage, what parties were divided with a spiritual wall? Who has Christ made one? The overwhelmingly Jewish Old Testament redeemed Church and the overwhelmingly Gentile New Testament redeemed Church. This settlement is a spiritual union of believers. This is not a natural arrangement. The fact that Christ and His work on the cross is the means of unification shows that we are looking at God’s elect throughout time. There is no other way of salvation for man.

Multiple Old Testament passages had predicted the ingathering of countless Gentiles into the covenant family. There was no sense of division or inferiority in those predictions. Quite the opposite! Jews and Gentiles would equally experience full salvation through the vicarious work of Christ in His faithful earthly assignment on man’s behalf. They would both take on the same spiritual status.

Acts 17:30 says, “the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent.”

The old covenant period was described as “the times of this ignorance” for the Gentiles. They lived in darkness. We have now entered a period of enlightenment since sin was defeated. There has been a bright light shining throughout the nations that has given the Gentiles the wonderful opportunity of salvation.

Acts 14:16 teaches that God in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.”

The nations that were once saturated in complete heathenism and gross idolatry, knowing nothing of the grace of God and the need of repentance, would now receive the Gospel through the Cross of Christ. It is manifestly clear from the actual testimony of this specific reading that the Church had now entered into a new dispensation, a period in which the good news of salvation was to be offered to the Gentiles. No longer would the pagan nations of the world be drowned in complete darkness and be utterly deceived by the devil, as before. The de-blindfolding of the Gentiles (or nations) therefore unquestionably coincided with the binding of the devil’s previous extensive power; the historic defining moment being Christ’s devil defeating transaction at Calvary.
 
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