SUN and MOON

TedT · Mar 15, 2022

Shrewd Manager said:
Also I can't see where the verse says the moon does not give its own light, contrary to what is plainly taught in Genesis 1:16.

Why then is the moon black during an eclipse of the sun?

d taylor · Mar 15, 2022

TedT said:
Why then is the moon black during an eclipse of the sun?

keras · Mar 15, 2022

parousia70 said:
So your task is to claim the Prophets were incorrect in their expectation because you have hindsight that proves they were wrong.

So you've built a theology upon the foundation of a declaration that the prophets were in error.

Shakey ground indeed.

Yes.
They were wrong in the expectation of the Return of Jesus in their lifetime. As is evident to us from the fact that Jesus still hasn't Returned.

That expectation was fostered by Jesus, Matthew 24:42, as the means to keep His disciples ready and prepared at all times. Are you?

Your unpleasant accusations place you on shakey ground.

parousia70 said:
So if 10 years is soon, and 2000 years is also soon, when God says something is "far off", how long is "far off" to God? Does God have "far off"?

One day to God is the same as 1000 years on earth. Psalms 90:4, 2 Peter 3:8
God has Eternity.

parousia70 said:
So the folks in French Polynesia, where it will be midnight, won't notice the sun going dark, will they?

Myself, in New Zealand; won't either. It will happen at 11pm NZ time.
But I will hear it; Jeremiah 25:30-31, Jeremiah 51:54-55

Jipsah said:
Of course. But the fact is that our End Times are unlikely to correspond to the End Times. If we're ready to go, it's doesn't matter which End Times it is.

I see this as a very peculiar statement, assuming you are a Christian.
The end times events are very comprehensively told to us by all the Prophets. We should know all about what the Lord has planned for our future.
What people must do is to put aside all teachings that are not properly supported by scripture; the belief of a rapture to heaven is the prime example.

Timtofly said:
They will notice the fact all the Islands/continents being moved back into one single land mass, and all the mountains changing locations. It will not be totally dark either.

This is not what will happen. There will be some tectonic plate movement, but not to that extent.
Basically the world will be much the same after the terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath, as the survivors will form a One World Govt.

d taylor said:
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Not sure why people would bring up Isaiah 34 and referencing that as a past event, that is about the second coming of The Messiah.

Isaiah 34 is all about the forthcoming Lord's Day of wrath, as Isaiah 34:2 specifically states.
I gave the description of what will happen at the glorious Return in #14. It bears no relation to the events of the Sixth Seal, Day of the Lords wrath by fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis.

Jipsah · Mar 15, 2022

keras said:
How He will do this, is told to us in Isaiah 30:26-30 where it is undeniably written about ‘a devouring fire, sent by the Lord Himself’, that is caused by: ‘the sun shining seven times stronger’. This can only be a Coronal Mass Ejection; something that the earth has experienced in the past and is expected to happen again

Yeah, you can certainly say they've happened before, and confidently predict that they'll happen again, because they happen all the time. At a sunspot minimum we can get one maybe once a week, and at a sunspot maximum we'll get several a day. That's why at minimums HF communications, that require bouncing your signal off a charged up ionosphere to get around the curvature of the earth, are very difficult. At maximums, CMEs keep the ionosphere charged up all the time, and you can (and I have) talk from here in Tennessee to Oz like it was across the street, even long path, going around the world the "wrong" way.

CMEs don't make the sun brighter, else during maximums the sun would be flickering like a loose light bulb. We get hit with a lot of and charged particles, but they get chewed up by the atmosphere - most of the time. But during really hot CMEs, we can get hit hard enough that satelites and orbital stuff get slammed, and sometimes disabled, and even terrestrial electrical systems can possibly be damaged. But no fire involved, unless it's an electrical fire from overloaded circuits.

The "fire from the sky" thing may be true; I have no opinion on it one way or another. But the CME "explanation" doesn't hold up. That just isn't the way a CME works. Saying "it will this time" could be used to cover any other extraordinarily unlikely event. That's the problem with offering explanations of how God is going to do something when we really don't know. I saw one bloke wax eloquent about how some horrific scene from the Revelation was clearly an account of the use of neutron bombs. trick was, once again, it have anything to do with how enhanced radiation weapons (neutron bombs) worked, and everything about how the writer thought they worked.

Jipsah · Mar 15, 2022

keras said:
One day to God is the same as 1000 years on earth.

It also says that 1000 years to God is the same as one day to us. In other words, time is irrelevant to God, it simply being part of His creation and not somethkng He is bound by.

I see this as a very peculiar statement, assuming you are a Christian.

Dang, a bit nasty there, aren't we?

Here's the trick - the Last Days are irrelevant to us if we're already dead. Our Last Days are the time leading up to our death, and for those of us who are fairly long in the tooth, our Last Days may well be a lot more important than the Last Days. That is unless you harbor the belief that you're absolutely going to live until the Lord returns, which is far from a safe bet.

IMO, if you're prepared for your Last Days, then you have nothing to worry about if our Lord returns before then. Feel free to disagree.

The end times events are very comprehensively told to us by all the Prophets. We should know all about what the Lord has planned for our future.

THe prophesied End Times events may well have nothing at all to do with our future, as they do not to every Christian who has died since the Resurrection of our Lord. They have seen their Last Days, the only ones for which they needed to be prepared. Oh yes, we'll all join the celebration when our Lord returns in His glory, arising first to meet Him in the air, but whatever transpires on earth between our last breaths and the Triumphant Return will be purely academic.

What people must do is to put aside all teachings that are not properly supported by scripture; the belief of a rapture to heaven is the prime example.

Who said anything about a "rapture"? We're all going to die if our Lord tarries, aren't we? Don't you reckon we ought to be prepared for it?

parousia70 · Mar 15, 2022

d taylor said:
-Not sure why people would bring up Isaiah 34 and referencing that as a past event, that is about the second coming of The Messiah.

Again, Isaiah 34 is entirely parallel to Ezekiel 25 and 26, where Edom's doom is particularly listed in Ezekiel 25:12-14. It also harmonizes with Jeremiah 49:7-22 and the entire prophecy of Obadiah. As the prophecies said, Edom was destroyed at that time.

Parallel passages can not be interpreted to have polar opposite meanings.
That's why.

As Commentators have noted, The Destruction of EDOM foretold in Isaiah 34 is in fact an historic event that is PAST:

Peake's Commentary on the Bible
Isaiah 34-35. The Downfall of Edom, and Permanent Desolation of its Land. The Blessedness of God’ s People and Fertility of its Land.— These chapters are generally, and probably correctly, attributed to the same hand. Isaiah 34 exhibits the fiercest hatred of Edom, reminding us most of Isaiah 63:1-7. This hatred, for which we may compare Lamentations 4:21 f., Psalms 137:7, Jeremiah 49:7-22, was largely due to the exultation displayed by the Edomites at the destruction of Jerusalem in 586, and it was cherished by the Jews from that time forward. The desolation of Edom is described in language very similar to that used in Isaiah 13 for the desolation of Babylon.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
Idumea—originally extending from the Dead Sea to the Red Sea; afterwards they obtained possession of the country east of Moab, of which Bozrah was capital. Petra or Selah, called Joktheel (2Ki 14:7), was capital of South Edom (see on [754]Isa 16:1). David subjugated Edom (2Sa 8:13, 14). Under Jehoram they regained independence (2Ch 21:8). Under Amaziah they were again subdued, and Selah taken (2Ki 14:7). When Judah was captive in Babylon, Edom, in every way, insulted over her fallen mistress, killed many of those Jews whom the Chaldeans had left, and hence was held guilty of fratricide by God (Esau, their ancestor, having been brother to Jacob): this was the cause of the denunciations of the prophets against Edom (Isa 63:1, &c.; Jer 49:7; Eze 25:12-14; 35:3-15; Joe 3:19; Am 1:11, 12; Ob 8, 10, 12-18; Mal 1:3,4). Nebuchadnezzar humbled Idumea accordingly (Jer 25:15-21).
Edom's original offense was: they would not let Israel pass through their land in peace to Canaan: God recompensed them in kind, no traveller shall pass through Edom. Volney, the infidel, was forced to confirm the truth of this prophecy: "From the reports of the Arabs, southeast of the Dead Sea, within three days' journey are upwards of thirty ruined towns, absolutely deserted."

Benson Commentary
Isaiah 34:4. And all the host of heaven — The sun, moon, and stars; shall be dissolved — We have frequently had occasion to observe, that, in the prophetic language, the heavenly luminaries represent kings, empires, and states: see note on Isaiah 13:10. The prophet here foretels the overthrow and dissolution of such states and kingdoms as were hostile to his church, whether under the Jewish or Christian dispensation. Or, alluding to a horrid tempest raging furiously, during which the heavens grow black, the sun disappears, and the stars seem to fall to the earth, and it appears as if the whole body of the heavens were about to be utterly dissolved, he intends to signify, that, during these destructive judgments, of which he speaks, the confusion and consternation of mankind would be as great as if all the frame of the creation were broken into pieces. Some, indeed, understand the words as intended of the day of general and final judgment, but the context preceding and following will not agree with such an interpretation. And it is very usual for the prophetic writers, both of the Old and New Testaments, to represent great and general changes and calamities in such words and phrases as properly agree to the day of judgment, and the dissolution of all things: as, on the contrary, they often set forth the glorious deliverances of God’s people.

Barnes Notes on the Bible:
And all the host of heaven - On the word 'host' (צבא tsâbâ'), see the note at Isaiah 1:9. The heavenly bodies often represent kings and princes (compare the note at Isaiah 24:21).
Shall be dissolved - (ינמקוּ venâmaqqû. This figure Vitringa supposes to be taken from the common prejudice by which the stars appear to be crystals, or gems, set in the azure vault of heaven, which may melt and flow down by the application of heat. The sense is, that the princes and nobles who had opposed God and his people would be destroyed, as if the sparkling stars, like gems, should melt in the heavens, and flow down to the earth.

parousia70 · Mar 15, 2022

keras said:
Yes.
They were wrong in the expectation of the Return of Jesus in their lifetime.

An expectation they not only held, but in turn TAUGHT their flocks to hold.
They didn't invent this expectation out of thin air. They were lead by Jesus and the Holy spirit to expect it, and to in turn teach this expectation to their flocks.
Was the Holy Spirit wrong too?

That expectation was fostered by Jesus, Matthew 24:42, as the means to keep His disciples ready and prepared at all times.

So your position is that Jesus PURPOUSFULLY lead them to believe a lie. That Jesus Purposefully Lied to them, knowing they would believe He was telling them the truth.

What else do you say Jesus lied to them about?

If, as you claim, the Prophets and apostles were so glaringly, universally, 100% wrong about a doctrine as critically important as the timing of the coming of Christ, because Christ purposefully lied to them about it, How can we trust they were right about anything else or that anythng else Jesus taught them was true?

We can't.

Again, if you must build a doctrine upon the foundation that the prophets and apostles were in 100% error on ANY topic they believed and taught because Jesus lied to them about it, then the veracity of any claims that they were correct about anything else Jesus Taught them, that they in turn believed and taught, is completely shattered.

Jipsah · Mar 15, 2022

TedT said:
Why then is the moon black during an eclipse of the sun?

Better still, why is there an eclipse of the sun?

d taylor · Mar 15, 2022

parousia70 said:
Again, Isaiah 34 is entirely parallel to Ezekiel 25 and 26, where Edom's doom is particularly listed in Ezekiel 25:12-14. It also harmonizes with Jeremiah 49:7-22 and the entire prophecy of Obadiah. As the prophecies said, Edom was destroyed at that time.

Parallel passages can not be interpreted to have polar opposite meanings.
That's why.

As Commentators have noted, The Destruction of EDOM foretold in Isaiah 34 is in fact an historic event that is PAST:

Peake's Commentary on the Bible
Isaiah 34-35. The Downfall of Edom, and Permanent Desolation of its Land. The Blessedness of God’ s People and Fertility of its Land.— These chapters are generally, and probably correctly, attributed to the same hand. Isaiah 34 exhibits the fiercest hatred of Edom, reminding us most of Isaiah 63:1-7. This hatred, for which we may compare Lamentations 4:21 f., Psalms 137:7, Jeremiah 49:7-22, was largely due to the exultation displayed by the Edomites at the destruction of Jerusalem in 586, and it was cherished by the Jews from that time forward. The desolation of Edom is described in language very similar to that used in Isaiah 13 for the desolation of Babylon.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
Idumea—originally extending from the Dead Sea to the Red Sea; afterwards they obtained possession of the country east of Moab, of which Bozrah was capital. Petra or Selah, called Joktheel (2Ki 14:7), was capital of South Edom (see on [754]Isa 16:1). David subjugated Edom (2Sa 8:13, 14). Under Jehoram they regained independence (2Ch 21:8). Under Amaziah they were again subdued, and Selah taken (2Ki 14:7). When Judah was captive in Babylon, Edom, in every way, insulted over her fallen mistress, killed many of those Jews whom the Chaldeans had left, and hence was held guilty of fratricide by God (Esau, their ancestor, having been brother to Jacob): this was the cause of the denunciations of the prophets against Edom (Isa 63:1, &c.; Jer 49:7; Eze 25:12-14; 35:3-15; Joe 3:19; Am 1:11, 12; Ob 8, 10, 12-18; Mal 1:3,4). Nebuchadnezzar humbled Idumea accordingly (Jer 25:15-21).
Edom's original offense was: they would not let Israel pass through their land in peace to Canaan: God recompensed them in kind, no traveller shall pass through Edom. Volney, the infidel, was forced to confirm the truth of this prophecy: "From the reports of the Arabs, southeast of the Dead Sea, within three days' journey are upwards of thirty ruined towns, absolutely deserted."

Benson Commentary
Isaiah 34:4. And all the host of heaven — The sun, moon, and stars; shall be dissolved — We have frequently had occasion to observe, that, in the prophetic language, the heavenly luminaries represent kings, empires, and states: see note on Isaiah 13:10. The prophet here foretels the overthrow and dissolution of such states and kingdoms as were hostile to his church, whether under the Jewish or Christian dispensation. Or, alluding to a horrid tempest raging furiously, during which the heavens grow black, the sun disappears, and the stars seem to fall to the earth, and it appears as if the whole body of the heavens were about to be utterly dissolved, he intends to signify, that, during these destructive judgments, of which he speaks, the confusion and consternation of mankind would be as great as if all the frame of the creation were broken into pieces. Some, indeed, understand the words as intended of the day of general and final judgment, but the context preceding and following will not agree with such an interpretation. And it is very usual for the prophetic writers, both of the Old and New Testaments, to represent great and general changes and calamities in such words and phrases as properly agree to the day of judgment, and the dissolution of all things: as, on the contrary, they often set forth the glorious deliverances of God’s people.

Barnes Notes on the Bible:
And all the host of heaven - On the word 'host' (צבא tsâbâ'), see the note at Isaiah 1:9. The heavenly bodies often represent kings and princes (compare the note at Isaiah 24:21).
Shall be dissolved - (ינמקוּ venâmaqqû. This figure Vitringa supposes to be taken from the common prejudice by which the stars appear to be crystals, or gems, set in the azure vault of heaven, which may melt and flow down by the application of heat. The sense is, that the princes and nobles who had opposed God and his people would be destroyed, as if the sparkling stars, like gems, should melt in the heavens, and flow down to the earth.

No Isaiah 34 is speaking to the return of The Messiah and actually not only the return but the place of His return, Bozrah.

For the Lord has a sacrifice in Bozrah,
And a great slaughter in the land of Edom.

parousia70 · Mar 15, 2022

d taylor said:
No Isaiah 34 is speaking to the return of The Messiah and actually not only the return but the place of His return, Bozrah.

For the Lord has a sacrifice in Bozrah,
And a great slaughter in the land of Edom.

Incorrect. It is about the Destruction of Edom, as it says. (cf: Jeremiah 49:7-22)

parousia70 · Mar 15, 2022

keras said:
Yes.
They were wrong in the expectation of the Return of Jesus in their lifetime.

No. They were right. The imminent judgment had immediate relevance to them, as St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine taught:
"The signs of which we read in the gospels, as Augustine says, writing to Hesychius about the end of the world, refer not only to Christ's coming to judgment, but also to the time of the sack of Jerusalem, and to the coming of Christ in ceaselessly visiting His Church. So that, perhaps, if we consider them carefully, we shall find that none of them refers to the coming advent, as he remarks: because these signs that are mentioned in the gospels, such as wars, fears, and so forth, have been from the beginning of the human race" (Thomas Aquinas; Summa Theologica, Supplement Question 73, Article 1)

The specific, imminent coming of God/Christ to judgment that fulfiled the imminency statements in that generation was this one, as discussed in the gospels:

Matthew 21:40-45
"When therefore the Lord of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those farmers?" They told him, "He will miserably destroy those miserable men, and will lease out the vineyard to other farmers, who will give him the fruit in its season." Jesus said to them, "Did you never read in the Scriptures, 'The stone which the builders rejected, the same was made the head of the corner. This was from the Lord. It is marvelous in our eyes?' "Therefore I tell you, the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you, and will be given to a nation bringing forth its fruit. He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but on whoever it will fall, it will scatter him as dust." When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they perceived that he spoke about them.

Luke 19:41,43-44
He approached Jerusalem, He saw the city and wept over it, saying..."For the days will come upon you when your enemies will throw up a barricade against you, and surround you and hem you in on every side, and they will level you to the ground and your children within you, and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation."

Luke 21:20-22
"When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near. "Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city; because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled.

Luke 21:5-7
While some were talking about the temple, that it was adorned with beautiful stones and votive gifts, He said, "As for these things which you are looking at, the days will come in which there will not be left one stone upon another which will not be torn down." They questioned Him, saying, "Teacher, when therefore will these things happen? And what will be the sign when these things are about to take place?"

So we see that the apostles and Jesus did not err when they all taught and believed a history-changing, covenant-shifting judgment of God/Christ was imminent upon their country and world.

The details of the yet-future Final Judgment are unknown to us. Though no one knows when that event will occur, it appears that hasn't stopped many, including you @keras, from speculating endlessly. A full 100% of christians like you that have sought to "game" the end of the world have died waiting. What a poor witnesses that has been to a world desperately in need of dependable truth. Christians should repent of this pattern of error and get back to laying out the truths God has clearly revealed, not speculating wildly about the ones that He has not.

d taylor · Mar 15, 2022

parousia70 said:
Incorrect. It is about the Destruction of Edom, as it says. (cf: Jeremiah 49:7-22)

Right at the end of the tribulation when The Messiah returns.

keras · Mar 15, 2022

Jipsah said:
CMEs don't make the sun brighter,

A CME explosion on the suns surface does cause a bright flash.

Jipsah said:
But no fire involved,

I suggest that you do some actual research on Coronal Mass Ejections. Then you will be able to make sensible comments, instead of opinions.
But you deny the Prophetic Word to say there will be no fire.
The Earth will Burn: 2 Peter 3:7, Isaiah 66:15-16, Zeph. 3:8, Isaiah 33:10-12, +

In ancient times, God promised to Noah that He would never again destroy the earth with a flood. Genesis 9:11 But we see in Deuteronomy 32:34-35 & 22, God has kept in His storehouse a judgement of fire prepared and ready for His Day of vengeance.

As we are once again ‘as in the days of Noah’, this terrible and devastating Day of fires, storms and earthquakes will soon strike the world, it will be the next prophesied event that will commence all that must happen, leading up to the Return of Jesus for His Millennial reign.

Psalms 46:1-11 The Lord is our refuge and stronghold, He will help us in trouble, so we are not afraid when the earth is shaking and the mountains move; when the waves of the sea roar and the earth is quaking before the Lords majesty. Nations are in an uproar and kingdoms fall when the Lord thunders; the earth burns.

Come and see what the Lord has done, the desolation He has brought on the earth. He makes wars to cease throughout the world, He breaks the bow, snaps the spear and burns the chariots in the fire.

There is a river whose flow brings joy to the city of God, the holy Place of the Most High. The Lord is within her, she will not be overthrown and at the break of Day, He will come to her aid.

Be still and know that I am God, I will be exalted among the nations and revered throughout the world. The Lord Almighty is with us, the God of Jacob is our Rock.

This describes how the Lord will judge and punish the nations and ‘the desolation He will bring to the earth’. He will destroy all weapons of war and military forces will be neutralized or wiped out, but the Lord promises ‘to be a refuge’ to His people, when at the ‘break of day, the sea roars, the earth quakes and burns’. It is His great Day of vengeance and wrath, a massive explosion of the suns surface that will bring about all the vividly described effects. We are warned to be prepared for that terrible Day, but our only true protection will be our faith and trust in the Lord. Isaiah 30:15 & 18

Isaiah 9:18-19 The ungodly will be set ablaze, as a fire that consumes briars and thorns. It sets the forests on fire and all is wrapped in a pall of smoke.

The land is scorched by the fury of the Lord and the people will be fuel for the fire. Ezekiel 21:1-7, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Romans 1:18, Hebrews 10:27

Psalms 50:3-5 The Lord is coming and will not remain silent. A consuming fire runs ahead of Him and all around a great storm rages. He calls to the heavens above and the earth below, that He may judge His people.
Gather to Me, My loyal servants, those who have made a Covenant with Me by sacrifice. 1 Peter 3:17 Ref: REB, NIV. Some verses abridged.

This is not the Return of Jesus in His glory, that cannot happen until the Anti-Christ is revealed. 2 Thess. 2:3 It will be the Lord’s judgement and punishment of the nations, Psalms 110:5-6, Habakkuk 3:12, and all the world will be affected. It will be triggered by an attack on the State of Israel by an Islamic confederation. Psalms 83

The Lord’s people will be judged, Jeremiah 46:27-28, 1 Peter 4:17 and those who are His ‘loyal servants’, will be protected. Zechariah 9:15-16, Joel 3:16, Psalms 37:9, Zephaniah 2:3, 2 Thess.1:6-10

keras · Mar 15, 2022

parousia70 said:
No. They were right. The imminent judgment had immediate relevance to them, as St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine taught:

What I said was;
Yes.
They were wrong in the expectation of the Return of Jesus in their lifetime.

You citing of the punishment of the Jews at 70AD, is a red herring.
Jesus did not Return then.
As for the ECF's, it was impossible for them to know or understand the future. Matthew 11:25

parousia70 said:
The details of the yet-future Final Judgment are unknown to us. Though no one knows when that event will occur, it appears that hasn't stopped many, including you @keras, from speculating endlessly. A full 100% of christians like you that have sought to "game" the end of the world have died waiting. What a poor witnesses that has been to a world desperately in need of dependable truth. Christians should repent of this pattern of error and get back to laying out the truths God has clearly revealed, not speculating wildly about the ones that He has not.

I regard these comments as sheer foolishness.
The Bible DOES tell us the truth. Only people who choose to believe false theories and fables; make wild predictions.
Why don't you address the Prophesies I present? Don't accuse me of making them up or promoting a personal agenda.

Timtofly · Mar 16, 2022

keras said:
This is not what will happen. There will be some tectonic plate movement, but not to that extent.
Basically the world will be much the same after the terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath, as the survivors will form a One World Govt.

On one land mass. The 7 heads become one.

keras · Mar 16, 2022

Timtofly said:
On one land mass. The 7 heads become one.

You have ideas and theories unique to yourself.
An amalgamation of all the continents is just unbelievable and is not even suggested in the Bible.
There is no valid reason for such a thing to happen. Remember that the holy Land area is precious to God. Deuteronomy 11:11-12

parousia70 · Mar 16, 2022

keras said:
What I said was;
Yes.
They were wrong in the expectation of the Return of Jesus in their lifetime.

And what I said was, no, they were not wrong.

Only one of our proclamations upholds the inerrancy of the teaching of the apostles.
I'll leave it to our readers to guess which one that is.

You citing of the punishment of the Jews at 70AD, is a red herring.
Jesus did not Return then.

This was fulfilled in 70AD:
"When therefore the Lord of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those farmers?" They told him, "He will miserably destroy those miserable men, and will lease out the vineyard to other farmers, who will give him the fruit in its season." Jesus said to them, "Did you never read in the Scriptures, 'The stone which the builders rejected, the same was made the head of the corner. This was from the Lord. It is marvelous in our eyes?' "Therefore I tell you, the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you, and will be given to a nation bringing forth its fruit. He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but on whoever it will fall, it will scatter him as dust." When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they understood that he spoke about them.

Jesus IS the stone of Matthew 21 that came and crushed them to dust at that time.

We are not still waiting for the coming of the Cheif cornerstone, the Lord of the Vineyard, foretold in Matthew 21:40-45, to take place.

The apostles expected and taught that coming would happen in their generation, and they were 100% correct.

The Bible DOES tell us the truth.

I agree... yet you claim Jesus Lied to the apostles.

Only people who choose to believe false theories and fables; make wild predictions.

This describes you.

Why don't you address the Prophesies I present? Don't accuse me of making them up or promoting a personal agenda.

I have addressed them, particularly you continuing, decade long claims of "its all happening soon".

You've been proven wrong time and again, and solely because of your personal agenda, you just keep moving the goalposts...

TedT · Mar 16, 2022

d taylor said:

????

Jipsah · Mar 16, 2022

keras said:
A CME explosion on the suns surface does cause a bright flash.

Noticed one lately?

I suggest that you do some actual research on Coronal Mass Ejections. Then you will be able to make sensible comments, instead of opinions.

Have done. Being a ham operator, knowing when the ionosphere is charged up and creating good HF "skip" is important, so I've been aware of CMEs and their effects for a long time. The effects you're decribing are purely imaginary. Any "fire" associated with a CME would come from electrical charges induced in something starting an electrical fire. Something like an electrically controlled gas pipeline or some such could cause a real danger, but the worst hazard of a huge CME would be wrecking worldwide communications.

But you deny the Prophetic Word to say there will be no fire.

I deny that the Prophetic Word says anything at all about a CME. That's purely your notion.

I suggest that you do some actual research on Coronal Mass Ejections.

Help me out with that. How about a couple of citations on CMEs being literal fire from the skies. I ain't seeing it anywhere.

Jipsah · Mar 16, 2022

keras said:
You have ideas and theories unique to yourself.

KInda like yours.

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