Do you believe in paying an honest tithe of 10%?

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d taylor

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You don't consider Jesus to be God??? He Himself said,

“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things." Matthew 23:23.
If Jesus telling you that you should pay tithe isn't enough, there is nothing more I can say. I have given you direct words from Jesus Himself that we are commanded to pay tithe, and you ignore them. Yet you have not given me ANY words from the Bible that states you are not required to pay tithe. But, that is what you want to believe....you do not want to accept the clear teaching that Christians should be paying tithe so you will do your best to figure a way around it. All your figuring won't do you any good though, come Judgment Day when you stand before God and He asks you, "Why you didn't pay an honest tithe?"

You have given me a direct quote of Jesus, being directed to scribes and Pharisees, that belong to the nation of Israel. I am not Jewish plus i am a believer in The Church, that Jesus is building and part of this time and not a part of the nation of Israel.

I am not a scribes and Pharisees, and i will not face a judgment from God.

For some reason you seem to not understand, than believers in the church are not Israel and will never be Israel.

My judgment will be with The Messiah at the great white throne that will be concerning rewards either a loss of or a gain of rewards.

Your wording sure seems like you believe you are waiting for a future judgment by God. To see if you go to heaven or hell by how you followed the rules.
 
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2 Corinthians 9:6-7 "But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver."

Although the aforementioned verses aren't regarding tithe, I think the principle still stands. Give cheerfully and you will be blessed. Sow generously and you will reap generously.

10% is the base amount which God requested, but there are also free-will offerings; peace offerings and sacrifices of thanksgiving; so, ultimately, if it can be done, we ought to give more.

God can't be bribed [Deuteronomy 10:17], so giving him money with hopes of getting something in return isn't going to work. In fact, why would God even accept the tithe or offering at that point?

Leviticus 7:11-12 "Now this is the law of the sacrifice of peace offerings which shall be presented to the Lord. If he offers it by way of thanksgiving, then along with the sacrifice of thanksgiving he shall offer unleavened cakes mixed with oil, and unleavened wafers spread with oil, and cakes of well stirred fine flour mixed with oil.

Leviticus 2:11 "No meat offering, which ye shall bring unto the LORD, shall be made with leaven: for ye shall burn no leaven, nor any honey, in any offering of the LORD made by fire."

Matthew 16:6, 12 "Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees. . . Then they understood that He was not telling them to beware of the leaven used in bread, but of the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

Leaven is a symbol of sin, corruption, malice and wickedness [1 Corinthians 5:7-8]; it represents pride, slowing puffing up an individual; and hypocrisy [Luke 12:1]

God commanded that offerings be given without leaven.

Amos 4:5 "And offer a sacrifice of thanksgiving with leaven, and proclaim and publish the free offerings: for this liketh you, O ye children of Israel, saith the Lord GOD."

The Israelites during Amos' day, in their zeal offered sacrifices of thanksgiving with leaven, despite it being expressly forbidden. They were also blowing a trumpet as the Pharisee's did, proclaiming and publishing their good works in the Lord. [Matthew 6:2]

It's not improbable that offerings of leaven and honey were used in sacrifices to Ba'al, which is why this practice was condemned. During Amos time, Israel polluted the offering and the offering wasn't accepted: you see in the following verse (6) And I also have given you cleanness of teeth in all your cities, and want of bread in all your places: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD.

I remember a minister condemning members about tithing. The minister accused members indirectly, saying that their financial troubles were because they didn't tithe or they didn't give enough. If you want financial blessings, start tithing! So what they were telling their congregation was to offer their tithes and offerings with leaven.

Rather than to give cheerfully and with conviction of heart, they tried to cajole members to give through bribery and ulterior motives.

Tithe is a commandment that we ought to obey, but I think it's safe to say God would rather someone not give at all, then to give with a bad attitude or with the expectation of gain.
 
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The NT/Body of Christ isn't under OT Levitical law tithe requirements.

Tithe info OT the tithe (under the Mosaic law) wasn't money according to Leviticus 27:30; it being the fruit of the tree, seed of the ground and the 10th animal to pass under the rod. Other passages such as Malachi 3:10 "that there might be food in my house (THE TEMPLE) ," also confirm that the tithe was fruit, seed & animals, not money.

People paid three tithes of a tenth each, not one. The Levitical tithe (Numbers 18:19-20), the festival tithe (Deuteronomy 14:22-17), and the poor tithe, every 3rd year (Deuteronomy 14:28-29). So if your religion regard's itself as being under the Biblical command to pay tithes, then preach three tithes not simply one!

No one paid a tithe on money. The tithe was a tax on only agricultural produce. Example: A fisherman paid nothing on his catch, tradesmen, cobblers, potters, the women, who made the soldiers garments, the servants who worked in the fields for wages, were not required to pay tithe.

The tithe was exclusively a tax on the produce on the land of Israel, so if you don't live within the Promised land (Israel), then you were not required to pay tithe. Numbers 18:21 clearly states; “all the tithes in Israel,” so tithes were only paid on people’s increase (Deuteronomy 14:22), on their agricultural products (Leviticus 27:30), within the land of Israel

The first of these tithes, the Levitical tithe, was payable only to the Levite tribe of Israel, (Nehemiah 10:37), nobody else was permitted to collect it, and this tithe had to be paid to the tribe of Levi within one of 48 designated cities within Israel (Numbers 35:7).

Every 7th (Sabbath) year (Exodus 23:10-11), and 50th (Jubilee) year (Leviticus 25:10-11), the entire nation of tithers, within the nation of Israel were completely excluded from paying tithes for those entire years.

So if you are not tithing EXACTLY just like this, as in the above six points, then what you are calling tithing, isn't biblical tithing. It's man-made teaching, promoted today by money-grubbing religious extortioners.

I challenge anyone reading this post. To show me ""JUST ONE"" New Testament scripture requiring NT believers to tithe.

1 Corinthians 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, """or extortioners""", or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, """"nor extortioners"""", shall inherit the kingdom of God.
(NOTE: Religions that require tithe are extortioners, """RUN"""!)

Do our local Churches & global ministries need our financial support? Of course, yes, ABSOLUTELY!

1 Cor 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
(NOTE: Bring WEEKLY your best freewill gift)

2 Corinthians 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
(NOTE: Give a little, receive a little, give a lot, receive a lot)

7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, ""or of necessity"": for God loveth a cheerful giver.
(NOTE: A tithe was given out of the laws necessity. A worthless gift from todays believer. A freewill gift from the heart is loved and rewarded by our Lord)

When it comes to giving. New covenant Christians are taught to give generously, sacrificial & expectant of a blessing in return. And most certainly be CHEERFULL FREEWILL GIVER'S!

We should all prayerfully examine our giving patterns. Pray earnestly that the Holy Spirit would challenge us. To see whether they are in line with God's New Testament plan of being Generous, Sacrificial, Cheerful Giver's!
As I said, if what Jesus said isn't enough....nothing more I can say.
 
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I read this article on TITHING and think it appeals to a selfish heart ~ we should pay our tithe because we LOVE GOD, and want to support His workers in this world...we shouldn't pay tithe because of SELFISH MOTIVES of receiving great blessings.

"Bring the entire tenth to the storerooms in my temple. Then there will be plenty of food. Put me to the test," says the LORD. "Then you will see that I will throw open the windows of heaven. I will pour out so many blessings that you will not have enough room for them." Malachi 3:10.​

The verse does say we will be GREATLY BLESSED, but those blessings may come in many ways....like HEALTH, MENTAL STABILITY, WORK, SAFETY, all kinds of blessings...but we shouldn't pay TITHE just to receive the blessings.

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Tithing is not only treasure but it is also time and talent. We should be giving all three.
 
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Mark 12:41-44 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much. And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: for all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.
 
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I read this article on TITHING and think it appeals to a selfish heart ~ we should pay our tithe because we LOVE GOD, and want to support His workers in this world...we shouldn't pay tithe because of SELFISH MOTIVES of receiving great blessings.

"Bring the entire tenth to the storerooms in my temple. Then there will be plenty of food. Put me to the test," says the LORD. "Then you will see that I will throw open the windows of heaven. I will pour out so many blessings that you will not have enough room for them." Malachi 3:10.​

The verse does say we will be GREATLY BLESSED, but those blessings may come in many ways....like HEALTH, MENTAL STABILITY, WORK, SAFETY, all kinds of blessings...but we shouldn't pay TITHE just to receive the blessings.

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Yes, we should Tithe for the benefits of tithing.
It's very fair to do so. Just like we should save for the benefits of saving.

Discretionary spending averages 30% of your current income.
So when you start giving 10% to God first, it changes your
spending patterns and you have another 10% to put in savings
and another 5% for irregular charity and you still profit 5%, or
more charity spending....whichever God leads you. Or to pay your
irresponsible debts that you still owe.

Proverbs 22:7
The rich rules over the poor, and the borrower is the slave of the lender.

Proverbs 21:20
Precious treasure and oil are in a wise man's dwelling, but a foolish man devours it.
 
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I think is evident tithing is not a requirement for christians, but its a matter of faith, and can't harm, on the contrary God still blesses those who give Jesus himself said so. In the NT we don't see tithing, but its mentioned they were giving lots of offerings, sometimes even houses, etc.
 
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