American Tract Society & the American Sunday School Union Agree ~

LoveGodsWord · Feb 23, 2022

John Mullally said:
Post 329 answers the enumerated points 1 through 4 of what you call my contradictions in your Post 326. Your Post 337 is a repeat of your Post 326.

No John, it is not me that is confused, and no there was nothing that you posted that addressed any of the contradictions outlined in post # 337 linked that was already addressed in the linked posts that were already provided within post # 337 linked

Filippus · Feb 23, 2022

daq said:
In this case Yakob a.k.a. "James" is using nomos in the same sense as it is meant in the Hebrew word torah, which means instruction, teaching. And what the Word has shown me in my studies is that this is the torah-instruction-teaching of liberty:

James 2:12-13 KJV
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
13 For [G1063 gar, assigning a reason, "because"] he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

In simpler words the one who has shown no mercy shall receive judgment without mercy. Where do we read this torah-teaching-instruction? It is found in the torah-instruction-teaching concerning prayer, (in the Luke account one of his disciples asks him to teach them how to pray, Luke 11:1).

Matthew 6:9-15 KJV
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

That's it, the torah-teaching of the Messiah called the law of liberty: forgive others, and ask the Father to forgive you as you forgive others, and you will be forgiven. But if you do not forgive others their trespasses then neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

There is therefore no need to even hint at abolishing or doing away with the Torah-Word of the Father. The "law of liberty" cancels out the mistakes of children who are learning to understand and walk in the Light of the Torah-Word of the Father.

The Father loves His children. A loving father doesn't kick his children to the curb for making a mistake in the house rules when the children are simply learning the ways in which their father wants them to walk and behave themselves.

I noticed this law of liberty when reading it in:

ESV
12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty.
or
Jakobus 2:12 Luther Bibel 1545
Also redet und also tut, als die da sollen durchs Gesetz der Freiheit gerichtet werden.
Jakobus 2:12 BasisBijbel
Spreek en doe dan zó, als hoort bij mensen die door de 'wet van de vrijheid' (dat is Jezus Christus) geoordeeld zullen worden.

JAKOBUS 2:12 AFR53
Julle moet so spreek en so doen soos diegene wat deur die wet van vryheid geoordeel sal word.

These English translations match the above.

CSB
Speak and act as those who are to be judged by the law of freedom.
CEB
In every way, then, speak and act as people who will be judged by the law of freedom.

Shalom

LoveGodsWord · Feb 23, 2022

Here let me help you here and show why there is nothing in this post that you provided earlier that addresses the contradictions pointed out to you earlier in post # 337 (that was also posted earlier). Let's go through the questions and look at your responses if it might be helpful.

1. Subject matter and context was over the question "Is circumcision from the law of Moses a requirement for the salvation of new gentile believers and it was this question that Paul and Barnabas went to Jerusalem to discuss with the Apostles - Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2. To prove that Acts of the Apostles 15 is talking about God's 10 commandments being abolished you will need to prove the following apparent contradiction to your interpretation from the scriptures. The chapter subject matter and context of Acts of the Apostles 15 is talking about God's 10 commandments - you haven't done that

Your response here...

John Mullally said:
1. The context of a doctinal letter is in the letter. The Acts 15 letter (v23-29) includes the topic of whether or not Gentile believers are to keep the law. You are looking outside the letter for context to support your pretext.

I am not sure if you understood the question. I pointed out the scripture context and subject matter of Acts of the Apostles 15 in the question above from Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2 which states that Paul an Barnabas went to Jerusalem to discuss the question; "Is circumcision from the law of Moses a requirement for the salvation of new gentile believers?" So in providing the scripture context and subject matter the chapter is showing that "circumcision" from the law of Moses was being taught as a requirement for the salvation of the new gentile believers. Not is God's 10 commandment still the standard of sin when broken and right doing when obeyed (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4). The question was asking you to prove from the scriptures of Acts of the Apostles 15 from the scriptures alone (not reading into scripture) that it is talking about God's 10 commandments being abolished? - You have not done that here in your response. Can you see that "circumcision" from the law of Moses was the question being considered here and not God's 10 commandments? Your first response does not show from the scripture contexts of Acts of the Apostles 15 that it is talking about God's 10 commandments. The context you left out from Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2 prove that the subject matter is circumcision from the law of Moses being a requirement for the salvation of new gentile believers and it was this question that was being considered at Jerusalem so your response does not answer question one.

2. There is not a single scripture mentioning anywhere in Acts of the Apostles 15 that it is talking about Gods' 10 commandments so that view is being read into the chapter of Acts of the Apostles 15. Please show scripture from Acts of the Apostles 15 that it is talking about God's 10 commandments being abolished - you haven't done that.

Your response here...

John Mullally said:
2. The 10 commandments are part of the law. Therefore, the 10 commandments are within the scope of the discussion of what things the Gentile believers need to keep.

The scripture context was established in the previous section in question one from Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2. The scripture context states that the question being considered at Jerusalem was never over is Gods' 10 commandments still the standard of sin when broken and right doing when obeyed (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) but over the question is "circumcision" from the law of Moses a requirement for the salvation of new gentile believers. "Circumcision" was a shadow law from the law of Moses pointing to a new heart that God gives us by faith under the new covenant (please see Deuteronomy 30:6; Jeremiah 4:4; Deuteronomy 10:16; compare with Romans 2:28-29 and 1 Corinthians 7:19 with God's new covenant promise in Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27). Circumcision is not one of God's 10 commandments which is Gods eternal laws that give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) in the new covenant *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. So no John the Mosaic "shadow law" of circumcision is not one of God's eternal laws that give us the knowledge of good and evil that in the new covenant lead us all to Christ that we might receive Gods' forgiveness through faith *Galatians 5:16. Therefore no you have not provided any scripture showing anywhere that Acts of the Apostles 15 is talking about Gods' 10 commandments therefore you have not answered question two

3. Jesus and the Apostles and all the new testament teaches and upholds Gods' 10 commandments as the standard in giving God's people the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and Psalms 119:172 which is in contradiction to a view that Acts of the Apostles 15 is talking about Gods' 10 commandments being abolished. Please reconcile the contradiction of Acts of the Apostles 15 with the rest of the new testament scriptures that show God's 10 commandments have not been abolished scriptures provided here linked and here linked - you haven't done that.

Your response here linked...

John Mullally said:
3. And yet no one is justified by keeping the 10 commandments. In many passages, Jesus specifically commands His disciples to keep His commandments. I know of no Gospel passages where he is addressing his disciples and commands his disciples to keep the law or the 10 commandments. He talks about the 10 commandments with outsiders - generally the self righteous.

I think looking at the question being asked here John if your being honest in our discussion you can see you have not answered this contradiction to your interpretation of Acts of the Apostles 15 talking about God's 10 commandments being abolished. Do you agree? The links in and scriptures within question three are showing that Jesus and all the Apostles taught and upheld Gods' 10 commandments and all of Gods' 10 commandments are repeated all through the new covenant as the standard of good (moral wrong doing) and evil (moral wrong doing) but your interpretation of Acts of the Apostles 15 is in disagreement with nearly all the new testament as shown in the supporting scriptures in question 3 (see also further scripture support provided here linked and here linked). All you did in your response as to make an argument no one is arguing about in order to avoid the contradiction of your interpretation that Acts of the Apostles is talking about God's 10 commandments being abolished. Who ever said to you that we are justified by law keeping and if we are both in agreement that we are not justified by the law then what is your argument? - You have no argument before we are both in agreement. This does still not address your contradictory view that Acts of the Apostles 15 is talking about God's 10 commandments being abolished while Jesus, the Apostles and all the new testament teaches the opposite of your interpretation of Acts of the Apostles 15 now does it? So you have not answered the contradictions of God's 10 commandments being the standard of good and evil in the new covenant with your view that God's 10 commandments have been abolished in Acts of the Apostles 15 therefore you have not answered question 3.

After the decision of Jerusalem some time latter Paul says to the Corinthian gentile believer "circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing but the keeping of the commandments of God" in 1 Corinthians 7:19. Please reconcile the contradiction of your view that God's 10 commandments being abolished with Paul telling the Corinthian gentiles that circumcision does not matter but keeping the commandments of God does matter in 1 Corinthians 7:19 - you haven't done that.

Your response here...

John Mullally said:
4. You assume that where it says keep his commandments, it means keep the 10 commandments. John tells us different: 1 John 3:23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ, and we should love one another just as He commanded us.

John there is no assumption and you have not even bothered to answer this question. If you read the whole chapter of 1 Corinthians 7 it is addressing gentile believers and the subject matter is marrying and not marrying and what is sin and what is not sin by being married. Sin is defined in the scriptures as breaking any one of God's 10 commandments (see James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7 or unbelief see Romans 14:23). So the context in 1 Corinthians 7:19 not long after the Jerusalem decision is to gentile believers where Paul says in verse 19 after talking about marriage and not seeking a partner compares the same with circumcision *1 Corinthians 7:18 saying that circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing but the keeping of the commandments of God is everything. So let me tell you there is no mention here of love although it would not make any difference because love is simply obedience to Gods commandments from the heart. So tell me is Gods 10 commandments not the commandments of God in your view? I think you will agree once more that your response here does not answer question four.

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SUMMARY: You did not answer a single question or the contradictions on your interpretation of Acts of the Apostles 15 as demonstrated in post # 337 linked

Take care

LoveGodsWord · Feb 23, 2022

Filippus said:
I noticed this law of liberty when reading it in:

ESV
12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty.
or
Jakobus 2:12 Luther Bibel 1545
Also redet und also tut, als die da sollen durchs Gesetz der Freiheit gerichtet werden.
Jakobus 2:12 BasisBijbel
Spreek en doe dan zó, als hoort bij mensen die door de 'wet van de vrijheid' (dat is Jezus Christus) geoordeeld zullen worden.

JAKOBUS 2:12 AFR53
Julle moet so spreek en so doen soos diegene wat deur die wet van vryheid geoordeel sal word.

These English translations match the above.

CSB
Speak and act as those who are to be judged by the law of freedom.
CEB
In every way, then, speak and act as people who will be judged by the law of freedom.

Shalom

Psalms 119:45 I will walk in freedom, for I have devoted myself to your commandments.

You are also disregarding scripture context that shows that the law of liberty being referred to is God's 10 commandments obeyed from the heart through faith that works by love in James 2:8-12 and also demonstrated in Romans 13:8-10; 1 John 5:2-3 and in the words of Jesus in Matthew 22:36-40.

Take Care.

John Mullally · Feb 23, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
No John, it is not me that is confused, and no there was nothing that you posted that addressed any of the contradictions outlined in post # 337 linked that was already addressed in the linked posts that were already provided within post # 337 linked

You say Post 329 did not answer what he calls my contradictions in post 337. The problem is Post 337 is a repeat of Post 326). Post 329 is given in answer to Post 326. My original answer is in Green with additional commentary in red. You can look at Post 329 to check my work.

LoveGodsWord said:
An interpretation that Acts of the Apostles 15 is talking about Gods' 10 commandments being abolished is a contradictions of scripture because...

1. Subject matter and context was over the question "Is circumcision from the law of Moses a requirement for the salvation of new gentile believers and it was this question that Paul and Barnabas went to Jerusalem to discuss with the Apostles - Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2.

1. The context of a doctinal letter is in the letter. The Acts 15 letter (v23-29) includes the topic of whether or not Gentile believers are to keep the law. You are looking outside the letter for context to support your pretext.
I don't need to address Acts 15:1 and 2, they are deliberations that occurred before the doctrinal letter of Acts 15:23-29 was written. The letter is written to largely uneducated Gentile believers and stands alone - its context and scope are found in the opening statement (v24). LoveGodsWord would like to change the meaning of the letter by making it strictly about something not mentioned in the letter, which is: "Is circumcision from the law of Moses a requirement for the salvation of new gentile believers". The problem for LoveGodsWord is that context includes a demand to "keep the law" in verse 24.

LoveGodsWord said:
2. There is not a single scripture mentioning anywhere in Acts of the Apostles 15 that it is talking about Gods' 10 commandments so that view is being read into the chapter of Acts of the Apostles 15

2. The 10 commandments are part of the law. Therefore, the 10 commandments are within the scope of the discussion of what things the Gentile believers need to keep.
Verse 24 says that the Gentile believers have been troubled by those telling them "You must be circumcised and keep the law". The 10 commandments are within law, and therefore the Gentiles were being told they must keep the 10 commandments.

LoveGodsWord said:
3. Jesus and the Apostles and all the new testament teaches and upholds Gods' 10 commandments as the standard in giving God's people the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and Psalms 119:172 which is in contradiction to a view that Acts of the Apostles 15 is talking about Gods' 10 commandments being abolished.

3. And yet no one is justified by keeping the 10 commandments. In many passages, Jesus specifically commands His disciples to keep His commandments. I know of no Gospel passages where he is addressing his disciples and commands his disciples to keep the law or the 10 commandments. He talks about the 10 commandments with outsiders - generally the self righteous.

LoveGodsWord said:
4. After the decision of Jerusalem some time latter Paul says to the Corinthian gentile believer "circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing but the keeping of the commandments of God" in 1 Corinthians 7:19

4. You assume that where it says keep his commandments, it means keep the 10 commandments. John tells us different:

1 John 3:23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ, and we should love one another just as He commanded us.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 23, 2022

John Mullally said:
You say Post 329 did not answer what he calls my contradictions in post 337. The problem is Post 337 is a repeat of Post 326). Post 329 is given in answer to Post 326. My original answer is in Green with additional commentary in red. You can look at Post 329 to check my work.

1. The context of a doctinal letter is in the letter. The Acts 15 letter (v23-29) includes the topic of whether or not Gentile believers are to keep the law. You are looking outside the letter for context to support your pretext.
I don't need to address Acts 15:1 and 2, they are deliberations that occurred before the doctrinal letter of Acts 15:23-29 was written. The letter is written to largely uneducated Gentile believers and stands alone - its context and scope are found in the opening statement (v24). LoveGodsWord would like to change the meaning of the letter by making it strictly about something not mentioned in the letter, which is: "Is circumcision from the law of Moses a requirement for the salvation of new gentile believers". The problem for LoveGodsWord is that context includes a demand to "keep the law" in verse 24.

2. The 10 commandments are part of the law. Therefore, the 10 commandments are within the scope of the discussion of what things the Gentile believers need to keep.
Verse 24 says that the Gentile believers have been troubled by those telling them "You must be circumcised and keep the law". The 10 commandments are within law, and therefore the Gentiles were being told they must keep the 10 commandments.

3. And yet no one is justified by keeping the 10 commandments. In many passages, Jesus specifically commands His disciples to keep His commandments. I know of no Gospel passages where he is addressing his disciples and commands his disciples to keep the law or the 10 commandments. He talks about the 10 commandments with outsiders - generally the self righteous.

John your a bit behind here. I decided to go through all your answers in this post taken from your earlier post to show from the scriptures why you did not answer a single question from post # 337 linked in post # 363 linked above. You have a bit of catching up to do. Post # 363 linked above proves from the scriptures why you did not address the questions and the contradictions to your interpretation of Acts of the Apostles 15 being God's 10 commandments being abolished as shown earlier in post # 337 linked.

Take Care.

John Mullally · Feb 23, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
John your a bit behind here. I decided to go through all your answers in this post taken from your earlier post to show from the scriptures why you did not answer a single question from post # 337 linked in post # 363 linked above. You have a bit of catching up to do. Post # 363 linked above proves from the scriptures why you did not address the questions and the contradictions to your interpretation of Acts of the Apostles 15 being God's 10 commandments being abolished as shown earlier in post # 337 linked.

Take Care.

I realize this is probably falling on deaf ears.

I agree that the 10 commandments and Jesus's commentary on the 10 commandments are a good gauge as to whether or not something is a sin. However, I don't see anywhere where Jesus commands his disciples to keep the 10 commandments - rather multiple times he reminds them to keep His commandments.

From reading the letter (Acts 15:23-29) without preconceptions it is clear that the Church fathers did not command the Gentile believers to keep the 10 commandments other than to abstain from sexual immorality. That's not a problem for me because Jesus never commanded his disciples to keep the law or 10 commandments. Believers emphasis should be on following NT directives. If you abstain from sexual immorality and follow 1 John 3:23 you should be good.

1 John 3:23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ, and we should love one another just as He commanded us.

The Sabbath was given to the Jews. Given Acts 15, I believe the Sabbath should be treated as principle and not a law. So in other words, give it a rest.

The Sabbath in Acts and the Epistles - GCI Archive

LoveGodsWord · Feb 23, 2022

John Mullally said:
I realize this is probably falling on deaf ears.

I agree that the 10 commandments and Jesus's commentary on the 10 commandments are a good gauge as to whether or not something is a sin. However, I don't see anywhere where Jesus commands his disciples to keep the 10 commandments - rather multiple times he reminds them to keep His commandments.

From reading the letter (Acts 15:23-29) without preconceptions it is clear that the Church fathers did not command the Gentile believers to keep the 10 commandments other than to abstain from sexual immorality. That's not a problem for me because Jesus never commanded his disciples to keep the law or 10 commandments. Believers emphasis should be on following NT directives. If you abstain from sexual immorality and follow 1 John 3:23 you should be good.

1 John 3:23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ, and we should love one another just as He commanded us.

The Sabbath was given to the Jews. Given Acts 15, I believe the Sabbath should be treated as principle and not a law. So in other words, give it a rest.

Sorry John I do not believe anything you have posted here. As shown earlier through the scriptures Jesus and all the Apostles taught and upheld all of God's 10 commandments which are all repeated all through the new covenant scriptures (scripture support already provided here linked and here linked). Act of the Apostles 15 as shown through the scriptures in post # 337 and the follow up post in post # 363 linked has nothing to do with God's 10 commandments.

Love is not separate from Gods' law. Love is expressed in obedience to God's law which is why Jesus says on these two great commandments of love to God and love to man hang all the law and the prophets *Matthew 22:36-40. Love is only summarizing obedience to God's 10 commandments from the heart which is God's new covenant promise (see Romans 13:8-10; Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27 and compare to James 2:8-12 and 1 John 5:2-3). The first four commandments of God's 10 commandments show us how we are to love the Lord our God with all of our heart, soul and mind and the second six of the ten commandments show us how we are to love our neighbor as our self (see Romans 13:8-10 and James 2:8-12).

You might want to consider that Jesus (not me) says that the Sabbath was made for all mankind in Mark 2:27. There was no Jew, no Israel, no Moses, no law because there was no sin when God made the Sabbath for all mankind. There was only Adam and Eve who were made on the sixth day of the creation week (see Genesis 1:26-31 and Genesis 2:1-3).

Take Care John.

John Mullally · Feb 23, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
Sorry John I do not believe anything you have posted here. As shown earlier through the scriptures Jesus and all the Apostles taught and upheld all of God's 10 commandments which are all repeated all through the new covenant scriptures (scripture support already provided here linked and here linked). Act of the Apostles 15 as shown through the scriptures in post # 337 and the follow up post in post # 363 linked has nothing to do with God's 10 commandments.

To the one who tells me he does not believe what I say:

Show me where the Jesus commanded his disciples to specifically keep the 10 commandments, as opposed to His commandments.

Its ironic that you tell me Acts 15 has nothing to do with the 10 commandments, when you will not allow the doctrinal letter from the Church fathers to the simple Gentile believers to be taken at face value, but twist it by adding context to it that is not in the letter itself. A case subject to the penalty Revelations warns against adding to scripture.

Blessings

LoveGodsWord · Feb 23, 2022

John Mullally said:
To the one who tells me he does not believe what I say:

Show me where the Jesus commanded his disciples to specifically keep the 10 commandments, as opposed to His commandments.

Its ironic that you tell me Acts 15 has nothing to do with the 10 commandments, when you will not allow the doctrinal letter from the Church fathers to the simple Gentile believers to be taken at face value, but twist it by adding context to it that is not in the letter itself. A case subject to the penalty Revelations warns against adding to scripture.

Blessings

Why don't you start in the linked posts that have been shared with you? John I did also notice your doing the same thing in this post you are doing with all my posts. You are not addressing anything in them.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 23, 2022

John Mullally said:
To the one who tells me he does not believe what I say:

Show me where the Jesus commanded his disciples to specifically keep the 10 commandments, as opposed to His commandments.

Its ironic that you tell me Acts 15 has nothing to do with the 10 commandments, when you will not allow the doctrinal letter from the Church fathers to the simple Gentile believers to be taken at face value, but twist it by adding context to it that is not in the letter itself. A case subject to the penalty Revelations warns against adding to scripture.

Blessings

Here you go...

JESUS said...

Think not that I have come to destroy the law or the prophet - Matthew 5:17
Jesus magnified the law - Matthew 5:17-28
The law will not pass away until heaven and earth pass away - Matthew 5:18
Whoever will break the least of these commandments and teach men so will be the least in God's kingdom (the least are those who do not go there see 1 John 2:3-4)
Whoever obeys and teaches the law will be called great in God's kingdom - Matthew 5:19
Jesus taught that faith and obedience to Gods' law is required to receive eternal life - Matthew 19:17-21; John 3:36.
Jesus taught others to follow the 10 commandments (Mark 10:17-21)
Jesus taught that the two great commandments of love are not separate from obeying Gods' law - Matthew 22:36-40
Jesus taught that if we break God’s Law by following man-made traditions we are not worshiping God (Matt 15:3-9)
Jesus says if we commit sin (breaking Gods law - 1 John 3:4) we are a servant of sin and he has come to free us from sin - John 8:32-36
Jesus taught if you love God you will keep God’s Law and abide in His Love - John 14:15; 15:10
If we love God we will obey His commandments and abide in His love - John 14:15; John 15:10

Jesus did not teach anywhere in the bible that Gods law has been abolished both Jesus and the Apostles and all the new testament teaches obedience to Gods law according to the new covenant scriptures..

PAUL said...

Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4:1-9.
Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Corinthians 7:19
Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Romans 2:13-16
Paul says faith is not separate from obedience to God's law - Romans 3:31
Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Romans 8:6-8
Paul teaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jeremiah 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" and Gods new covenant promise - Heb 8:7-11
Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine - 2 Timothy 3:16
AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" and is binding on all Christians. - Ephesians 6:1-2
Paul tells us that God's Law (10 commandments) is holy, just and good - Romans 7:12
God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is - Romans 3:20; 7:7
The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death - Romans 6:23
If we break God's Law we dishonor God - Romans 2:23
If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God - Romans 3:19
We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us - Romans 3:31
If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law - Romans 6:1-7
We should not break God's Law if we are under grace - Romans 6:15
We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts - Romans 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2
It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus - Galatians 3:24
God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness - Romans 6:22
We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith - Romans 2:4-13
God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word - Romans 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Hebrews 8:9-10
If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements - Hebrews 10:26-27

JOHN said...

John says it is only by keeping God’s 10 commandments that we know that we know God (1 John 2:3)
If someone says that they know God and do not keep God’s 10 commandments they are lying and not telling the truth (1 John 2:4)
We should purify ourselves as Jesus is pure (1 John 3:3)
Sin is the breaking of God’s 10 commandments (1 John 3:4)
Whoever is abiding in Christ does not commit sin (1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10)
If you are in unrepentant sin you have not seen Jesus or know him (1 John 3:6)
John warns us that only those that are obedience to God’s Law are his true followers (1 John 3:7)
If someone is committing unrepentant sin they are following the devil and not God (1 John 3:7)
If you are born of God and abiding in him you will not commit sin (1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10
It is the keeping of God’s commandments that is the difference between those that are following God and those that are not following God (1 John 3:10; 1 John 5:3)
It is only by Love through faith that we can keep God’s commandments (1 John 5:3-4)
God’s true believers in the end days will keep all of God’s commandments through faith in Jesus (Revelation 14:12; 22:14)

JAMES said...

James says God’s Law (10 commandments) are a Royal Law - James 2:8
If we break one of God’s commandments we a guilty before God as sinners breaking all of God’s Law and gave some examples of breaking God’s Law - James 2:9-11
James says God’s Law is a law of liberty and freedom - James 2:12)
The 10 commandments (God’s Law) are the standard in the judgment - James 2:12
If our faith does not have the fruit of obedience to God’s Law it is dead and not true faith - James 2:16-26

PETER said...

Sanctification is to obedience to God’s Law - 1 Peter 1:2
We can only be changed from sin to obedience to God’s Law by the power of God and it will be revealed in the last days - 1 Peter 1:5
We should give up our sins to be holy because Jesus is holy - 1 Peter 1:13-16
Jesus is your example who did no sin - 1 Peter 2:21-22
Cease from sin and do not live in the flesh - 1 Peter 4:1-3
Judgement will begin at the house of God and sinners (those breaking God’s 10 commandments) will not be saved - 1 Peter 4:17
God has given us his precious promises and as we believe them God will grant us his divine power to live a life of Godliness (obedience to God’s Law; 2 Peter 1:2-4
The Un-Godly (disobedient to God’s Law) will be like Sodom and Gomorrah - 2 Peter 2:6
If any turn away from God’s Law and are in unrepentant sin breaking any of God’10 commandments they will be lost - 2 Peter 2:20-22
God is not willing that any should perish but that everyone should come to repentance and turn away from sin to follow God’s 10 commandments because those that do not will receive the judgements of God 2 Peter 3:5-14

JESUS AND THE APOSTLES OBEYED AND TAUGHT THE SABBATH saying...

It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath - Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind - Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27
Jesus is Lord (creator) and owner of the Sabbath - Mark 2:28
If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest - Hebrews 4
It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all - James 2:8-12
Breaking it is sin - 1 John 3:4
God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded - Revelation 14:12; 22:14; Ezekiel 20:20
Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath - Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1 Corinthians 11:1; Ephesians 5:1-21; Peter 2:20-22
The Apostle and disciples all kept the Sabbath after the death and resurrection of Jesus - Acts of the Apostles 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelation 1:10
Jesus taught that God's people would be still keeping the Sabbath well after the death and resurrection - Matthew 24:20; Mark 13:18.

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Everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant as the standard of Christian living. Further scripture support proving these claims is provided here linked if your interested.

Take Care.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 23, 2022

10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT

OUR MORAL DUTY TOWARDS GOD; TABLE 1;

MATTHEW 22:36-38
[36], Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.

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DEUTERONOMY 6:5 [5], And YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT.

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1. NO ONE/NOTHING BEFORE GOD

OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCE: "I am the LORD thy God, Which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me." (Exodus 20:2-3)

NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCES: Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. " (Matthew 4:10; Luke 4:8)

"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other.Ye cannot serve God and mammon." (Matthew 6:24)

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2. DO NOT COMMIT IDOLATRY

OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCE: "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous GOD, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fouth generation of them that hate Me; And shewing mercy unto thousands who love Me, and keep my commandments." (Exodus 20:4-6)

NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCES: "But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols"(Acts 15:20)

"Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:" (Acts 17:29,30)

" I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat." (1 Corinthians 5:11)

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:9,10)

Neither be ye idolaters. (1 Corinthians 10:7)

Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry. (1 Corinthians 10:14)

Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led." (1 Corinthians 12:2)

And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? (2 Corinthians 6:16)

"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Galatians 5:19-21)

"For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God." (Ephesians 5:5) [This verse and the next both show the connection between covetousness and idolatry - when you covet something, it becomes your idol, and therefore your god (breaking the 1st commandment also)]

Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry. (Colossians 3:5)

how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God. (1 Thessalonians 1:9)

Little children, keep yourselves from idols. (1 John 5:21)

And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk. (Revelation 9:20)

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Revelation 21:8)

For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. (Revelation 22:15)

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3. DO NOT USE GOD'S NAME IN VAIN

OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCE: Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh His name in vain. (Exodus 20:7)

NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCES: "Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. (Matthew 6:9; Luke 11:2)

I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. (Matthew 12:36)

This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Matthew 15:8-9)

And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. (Matthew 23:9)

that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. (1 Timothy 6:1)

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4. REMEMBER THE SEVENTH DAY SABBATH TO KEEP IT HOLY

OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCE: "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day; wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it." (Exodus 20:8-11)

NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCES: "For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day." (Matthew 12:8; Luke 6:5) [So the Sabbath is the TRUE Lord's Day]

it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days. (Matthew 12:12)

But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day. (Matthew 24:20)

they went into Capernaum; and straightway on the sabbath day he (Jesus) entered into the synagogue, and taught. (Mark 1:21)

And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. (Mark 2:27-28) [Notice: The Sabbath is NOT just for Jews, or Israelites, or Hebrews, or Semites (descendants of Shem), but FOR ALL MANKIND]

And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach (Mark 6:2)

And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day (Luke 4:16)

(Jesus) taught them on the sabbath days. (Luke 4:31)

AFTER JESUS' DEATH, HIS DISCIPLES OBSERVED THE SABBATH:

And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid. And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment." (Luke 23:55-56) [ This occured after Jesus' death obviously, which is when the false teachers claim the law was done away. They say the law was "nailed to the cross", but His disciples obviously didn't believe that, as we see here, they "rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment"]

when they (the apostles) departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day." (Acts 13:14)

And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath." (Acts 13:42) [Notice: the Gentiles (non-jews) wanted to hear the word of God on the next Sabbath. Paul DID NOT tell them, "Come back tomorrow, the first day of the week, because that's the day us Christians keep." He had them return the following SABBATH]

And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. (Acts 13:44)

For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. (Acts 15:21)

And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made. (Acts 16:13)

And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures. (Acts 17:2)

And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. (Acts 18:4)

For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. (Hebrews 4:4) [See Ephesians 5:1 where it states that we are to be imitators of God.]

There remaineth therefore a SABBATH Rest [See margin: Greek word is "Sabbatismos" which means "Sabbath-keeping"] to the people of God." (Hebrews 4:9)

For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD." (Isaiah 66:22-23) [I realize this is an OT scripture, BUT as you can clearly see here, this is dealing with the NEW heavens and earth (after Christ's return) and it states that ALL shall keep the Sabbath then.

It seems quite preposterous, that God would give the seventh day Sabbath to mankind at creation (Genesis 2:1-3), re-introduce it to Israel BEFORE Sinai - after they lost sight of it in captivity (Exodus 16:4-23; 27-29), codify it at Sinai (Exodus 20:1-17) having all His people observe it, including Christ, then change it to Sunday, just to change it back to Friday sunset - Saturday sunset.

THE SABBATH HAS NEVER CHANGED AND IS STILL TO BE OBSERVED!

more to come...

LoveGodsWord · Feb 23, 2022

10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT (Continued)

OUR MORAL DUTY TOWARDS OUR NEIGHBOR; TABLE 2

MATTHEW 22:38-40
[39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS (LOVE TO GOD AND LOVE TO YOUR NEIGHBOR) HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

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LEVITICUS 19:18 [18], You shall not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF;: I am the LORD.

* JESUS says; On these two great commandments of LOVE; Hang ALL the LAW and the prophets.

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5. HONOR PARENTS

OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCE: "Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee." (Exodus 20:12)

NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCES: Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (Mt15:3,4/Mk 7:10) "Honour thy father and thy mother (Matthew 19:19; Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20)

"Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." (Romans 1:29-32)

"Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise), that it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth." (Ephesians 6:1-3)

"Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord." (Colossians 3:20)

"But if any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to shew piety at home, and to requite their parents: for that is good and acceptable before God." (1 Timothy 5:4)

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6. DO NOT MURDER

OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCE: "Thou shalt not kill (murder)." (Exodus 20:13)

NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCES: "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment." (Matthew 5:21,22 - see 1 John 2:9) [Jesus says unjustified anger is equal to murder] Do not kill" (Mark 10:19) Thou shalt not kill" (Romans 13:9)

"For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law." (James 2:11)

"But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters." (1 Peter 4:15)

We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:14,15)

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7. DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY

OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCE: Thou shalt not commit adultery (Exodus 20:14)

NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCES: "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Matthew 5:27-28) [Lustful fantasies are equal to adultery]

I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery." (Matthew 5:32)

Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery (Matthew 19:18; Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20)

Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. (Mark 10:11,12)

"Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery." (Luke 16:18 )

this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act Jesus said unto her, go, and sin no more. (John 8:4-11)

So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress" (Romans 7:3)

"Thou shalt not commit adultery (Romans 13:9)

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:9,10)

Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body." (1 Corinthians 6:18)

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Galations 5:19-21)

For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication" (1 Thesselonians 4:3)

Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge." (Hebrews 13:4)

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." (Jude 1:7)

"And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds." (Revelation 2:21,22)

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8. DO NOT STEAL

OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCE: Thou shalt not steal. (Exodus 20:15)

NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCES: Thou shalt not steal (Matthew 19:18; Romans 13:9)

Do not steal (Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20)

thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:10)

Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. (Ephesians 4:28)

But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. (1 Peter 4:15)

Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts. (Revelation 9:21)

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9. DO NOT LIE

OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCE: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. (Exodus 20:16)

NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCES: every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." (Matthew 12:36,37)

For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man. (Matthew 15:19,20)

Thou shalt not bear false witness (Matthew 19:18; Romans 13:9)

Do not bear false witness (Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20)

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. (John 8:44)

"But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty (2 Corinthians 4:2)

Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour. (Ephesians 4:25)

Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds (Colossians 3:9)

Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. (1 Timothy 3:11)

speak evil of no man (Titus 3:2)

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Revelation 21:8)

For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie." (Revelation 22:14-15)

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10. DO NOT COVET/LUST

OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCE: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbour's. (Exodus 20:17)

NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCES: And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth. (Luke 12:15)

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet." (Romans 7:7)

Thou shalt not covet (Romans 13:9)

"But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;" (Ephesians 5:3)

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." (1 Timothy 6:10)

Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee." (Hebrews 13:5)

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Yep seems like EVERYONE of God's 10 Commandments are repeated in the NEW TESTAMENT.

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God's 10 Commandments give us a KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

John Mullally · Feb 23, 2022

John Mullally said:
Show me where the Jesus commanded his disciples to specifically keep the 10 commandments, as opposed to His commandments.

Although you show many passages where Jesus speaks about the 10 commandments. You did not show any passage where He tells His disciples to keep the 10 commandments.

Jesus told His disciples that "I give you a new commandment" and he did give them many directives. So references by Jesus of keeping my commandments are not speaking of the 10 commandments.

Outside of abstaining from sexual immorality, the Church fathers did not command the Gentile believers to keep the 10 commandments in their letter to them that addresses whether they need to be circumcised and keep the law (Acts 15:23-29).

John Mullally · Feb 23, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
Why don't you start in the linked posts that have been shared with you? John I did also notice your doing the same thing in this post you are doing with all my posts. You are not addressing anything in them.

Again I have addressed many of your posts. You cannot accept how I addressed them because I did not tell you anything you wanted to hear.

Filippus · Feb 24, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
Here perhaps this will help. If someone is living in a life of known unrepentant sin committing adultery or murder, are they transgressors of God's law and are they in a saved state with God or an unsaved state with God. (scriptures provided as a help *see 1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11; Hebrews 10:26-31)

Hope this is helpful.

You are simply avoiding my question.

Do you regard someone worshiping on Sunday as a sinner? Yes or no?

Take me as the example, if I choose to worship God on Sunday, am I a sinner?
Keep in mind that I am a Gentile.

A simple yes or no will do, I don't need an explanation.

Shalom

Filippus · Feb 24, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
Psalms 119:45 I will walk in freedom, for I have devoted myself to your commandments.

You are also disregarding scripture context that shows that the law of liberty being referred to is God's 10 commandments obeyed from the heart through faith that works by love in James 2:8-12 and also demonstrated in Romans 13:8-10; 1 John 5:2-3 and in the words of Jesus in Matthew 22:36-40.

Take Care.

No you are simply adding to the context.

I was called by Jesus and He gave us clear Commandments. I am not disregarding scripture at all.

You are simply adding to Scripture in support of your doctrine.

Shalom

Filippus · Feb 24, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT (Continued)

OUR MORAL DUTY TOWARDS OUR NEIGHBOR; TABLE 2

MATTHEW 22:38-40
[39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS (LOVE TO GOD AND LOVE TO YOUR NEIGHBOR) HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

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LEVITICUS 19:18 [18], You shall not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF;: I am the LORD.

* JESUS says; On these two great commandments of LOVE; Hang ALL the LAW and the prophets.

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5. HONOR PARENTS

OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCE: "Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee." (Exodus 20:12)

NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCES: Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (Mt15:3,4/Mk 7:10) "Honour thy father and thy mother (Matthew 19:19; Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20)

"Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." (Romans 1:29-32)

"Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise), that it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth." (Ephesians 6:1-3)

"Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord." (Colossians 3:20)

"But if any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to shew piety at home, and to requite their parents: for that is good and acceptable before God." (1 Timothy 5:4)

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6. DO NOT MURDER

OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCE: "Thou shalt not kill (murder)." (Exodus 20:13)

NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCES: "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment." (Matthew 5:21,22 - see 1 John 2:9) [Jesus says unjustified anger is equal to murder] Do not kill" (Mark 10:19) Thou shalt not kill" (Romans 13:9)

"For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law." (James 2:11)

"But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters." (1 Peter 4:15)

We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:14,15)

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7. DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY

OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCE: Thou shalt not commit adultery (Exodus 20:14)

NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCES: "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Matthew 5:27-28) [Lustful fantasies are equal to adultery]

I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery." (Matthew 5:32)

Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery (Matthew 19:18; Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20)

Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. (Mark 10:11,12)

"Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery." (Luke 16:18 )

this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act Jesus said unto her, go, and sin no more. (John 8:4-11)

So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress" (Romans 7:3)

"Thou shalt not commit adultery (Romans 13:9)

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:9,10)

Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body." (1 Corinthians 6:18)

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Galations 5:19-21)

For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication" (1 Thesselonians 4:3)

Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge." (Hebrews 13:4)

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." (Jude 1:7)

"And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds." (Revelation 2:21,22)

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8. DO NOT STEAL

OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCE: Thou shalt not steal. (Exodus 20:15)

NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCES: Thou shalt not steal (Matthew 19:18; Romans 13:9)

Do not steal (Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20)

thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:10)

Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. (Ephesians 4:28)

But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. (1 Peter 4:15)

Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts. (Revelation 9:21)

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9. DO NOT LIE

OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCE: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. (Exodus 20:16)

NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCES: every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." (Matthew 12:36,37)

For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man. (Matthew 15:19,20)

Thou shalt not bear false witness (Matthew 19:18; Romans 13:9)

Do not bear false witness (Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20)

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. (John 8:44)

"But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty (2 Corinthians 4:2)

Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour. (Ephesians 4:25)

Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds (Colossians 3:9)

Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. (1 Timothy 3:11)

speak evil of no man (Titus 3:2)

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Revelation 21:8)

For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie." (Revelation 22:14-15)

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10. DO NOT COVET/LUST

OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCE: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbour's. (Exodus 20:17)

NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCES: And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth. (Luke 12:15)

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet." (Romans 7:7)

Thou shalt not covet (Romans 13:9)

"But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;" (Ephesians 5:3)

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." (1 Timothy 6:10)

Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee." (Hebrews 13:5)

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Yep seems like EVERYONE of God's 10 Commandments are repeated in the NEW TESTAMENT.

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God's 10 Commandments give us a KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

You did not show any passage here where He tells us to keep the 10 commandments in the New Covenant.

For example adulatory, under the law they had to physically do it to become guilty, under the New Covenant by thinking it, you have done it and it has became sin. Thus a new law.

We have a New laws which is the commandments of Jesus, not Moses.

You are confusing it with the Law of Moses, instructed by God, which Jesus fulfilled.

Your goal is to justify the 4th commandment, to support your doctrine, at the cost of the law of Love.

Shalom

daq · Feb 24, 2022

Filippus said:
For example adulatory, under the law they had to physically do it to become guilty, under the New Covenant by thinking it, you have done it and it has became sin. Thus a new law.

That is not a new law: it is the correct understanding of the original statute. Thus the covenant is renewed by the Testimony of the Messiah.

FredVB · Sep 30, 2022

Filippus said:
You did not show any passage here where He tells us to keep the 10 commandments in the New Covenant.

For example adulatory, under the law they had to physically do it to become guilty, under the New Covenant by thinking it, you have done it and it has became sin. Thus a new law.

We have a New laws which is the commandments of Jesus, not Moses.

You are confusing it with the Law of Moses, instructed by God, which Jesus fulfilled.

Your goal is to justify the 4th commandment, to support your doctrine, at the cost of the law of Love.

Shalom

It should really be realized that this law of love in which Jesus spoke what this says is new law is stricter than what was understood more simply from the old law. That would not really mean that law is done away with. It does mean there is more meant that should be understood from the commandments.

In the case of the fourth commandment, in the new testament of the Bible we find that the Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath, and while resting instead of working from which we have gain, it is still right to do good, such as helping another, whether human or a nonhuman animal, who is in need, and the real rest we are to have in the Sabbath of which we are told to remember it is holy is in Jesus Christ, such that it could be properly obeyed only since he came and any of us who are believers have faith in him.

American Tract Society & the American Sunday School Union Agree ~

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