Russia invades Ukraine

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Since we are speculating on Trump I think he would have sided with Putin...as in this is not an invasion but peace keeping.
No one has to speculate. Trump actually said he would not have let it happen. Whether he could have stopped it is another question but he does not want Russia in Ukraine.
 
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You see, I believe him. He would have gained the eastern provinces without any countrywide invasion. Trump would simply have allowed the recognized provinces to accept Russian aid into their territory.
The actual quote from Trump says different.
 
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Perhaps you can tell the class what he says next that somehow re-contextualizes all this.
The part where Trump goes on to say how horrible the situation is and that this never would have happened under his administration because he knows how "savvy" Putin is. Say what you want about Trump, but Putin is not an idiot by any measure. Trump realized that Putin is a master manipulator and a genius at subversion. This is important to the context because it shows that all the "praise" he was giving to Putin was actually satire to emphasise Biden's ineptitude and not to elevate Putin. He went on to show how Biden and the rest of NATO we're completely unprepared and too incompetent to deal with Putin.
 
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Why would they be sealed unless they're used up? If oil could be extracted from them when oil was at $90/barrel, don't you think they'd be doing that?
I think that keeping that oil secularly in the ground until it's the most profitable for the oil/gas company to pump, process, and sell it is what they are most likely to do.
Some wells are permanently abandoned but others are not and are not permanently plugged and sealed, the same with what they call orphaned wells.

Here's the story of one man who bought one abandoned well in WV now he owns 60,000 abandoned wells and employs 900+ employees.
The man who bought 60,000 oil and gas wells


In addition to abandoned wells companies have thousands of leases that have never been drilled, they are the companys' inventory/stockpile.
The Oil Industry's Public Lands Stockpile
The oil industry is currently sitting on 9.9 million acres of idle leases in the West—47.4 percent of all leases in the region—that are available to drill even during the Biden administration's temporary leasing pause.
 
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Where does he say he wants Putin to take over the Ukraine. He actually says it would not have happened if he were president. All he said was Putin did something smart.

Not much we can do now. I think Biden should call Putin and offer him the two regions that are pro Russia and to take NATO off the table for the Ukraine and leave the rest of Ukraine alone. If he does not take the deal, then the US will drive down oil prices so far that it will ruin the Russian economy while keeping all the sanctions in place. Our real enemy is China and we need to get a resolution to this. In the end we cannot have a war over the Ukraine. We either try to get something from Putin or we let him have it.

can you explain what you mean by "Our real enemy is China " .. what did China do to us ?
 
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The part where Trump goes on to say how horrible the situation is and that this never would have happened under his administration because he knows how "savvy" Putin is. Say what you want about Trump, but Putin is not an idiot by any measure. Trump realized that Putin is a master manipulator and a genius at subversion. This is important to the context because it shows that all the "praise" he was giving to Putin was actually satire to emphasise Biden's ineptitude and not to elevate Putin. He went on to show how Biden and the rest of NATO we're completely unprepared and too incompetent to deal with Putin.
What manipulation? The business of starting with enclaves fooled no one. Putin is taking Ukraine because he can. Everyone knows. There’s no msniiplulation involved. Just immorality.
 
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Respectfully, Biden (intelligence agencies) called it over a month ago. He said Putin was going to invade Ukraine back in January, and he also said that he was not going to send any American soldiers to fight against Russia in the Ukraine. Ukraine is not a member of NATO, so we already knew NATO was not going to be involved either.

As I recall Putin was saying Biden was overreacting, and that he was only conducting military exercises. Biden called it, and Putin was obviously lying.

This isn't about calling, it's about doing. And remember Joe publicly green lighted Putin for an incursion. Biden needs to open up our pipelines and cut the Russians off completely, in every way possible. He should not have expected Kamala to successfully negotiate the international crisis situation on her very first trip ever to Europe.
 
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The part where Trump goes on to say how horrible the situation is and that this never would have happened under his administration

Only Trump would be deluded enough to think that. Trump did exactly what Putin wanted all 4 years of his presidency. He consistently undercut NATO and he only instituted sanctions when he was drug kicking and screaming to it.

Putin had a great ally in Trump. If Trump thought he was fooling anyone he was sadly mistaken.

because he knows how "savvy" Putin is.

That's hilarious. Putin was too savvy for Trump because Trump thought they were buddies. Trump was just a...what did the old KGB officers call it? A "useful idiot". Putin played Trump very well. Trump consistently threatened NATO and that was very much to Putin's ends.

Do you HONESTLY think Putin would have held off invading Ukraine if Trump were still in office? LOL. That's naivete on an industrial level. Putin, as most Russian dictators, has ALWAYS wanted Ukraine. Did you forget about the Donbas region? That was a pretext he set out years ago. The annexation of Crimea? Yeah, all before Joe was POTUS.

Putin has always had his eyes on Ukraine because the Russians think Ukraine is there's by right of "history".

Say what you want about Trump, but Putin is not an idiot by any measure. Trump realized that Putin is a master manipulator and a genius at subversion.

Trump realized this? Is this why Trump was always so DEFERENTIAL to Putin?

This is important to the context because it shows that all the "praise" he was giving to Putin was actually satire to emphasise Biden's ineptitude and not to elevate Putin.

It's getting boring seeing Trump supporters rewrite history.

He went on to show how Biden and the rest of NATO we're completely unprepared and too incompetent to deal with Putin.

Wow. I don't know how you came to that conclusion after just ONE DAY OF THE WAR. But kudos on being so insightful.

LOL.
 
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Oh? He’s telling the truth this time?

It's hilarious that Trump thinks Putin would NOT have invaded Ukraine. Putin, like all Russian dictators, has had Ukraine in his sights for YEARS. That is why he was so happy with Trump. Trump consistently denigrated NATO which Putin was happy about!

If Trump were re-elected Putin would ultimately have invaded Ukraine but it would have been much easier because Trump would have distanced us from our allies and weakened Europe priming it for Putin's adventurism.

The weird thing is: Trump's supporters don't even understand Putin enough to see what was going on. They think Trump was managing Putin when it was clearly the other way around.

Did PUTIN EVER SAY HE PREFERRED THE US INTEL TO RUSSIAN INTEL? LOL. Never. And he never would have. But Trump preferrred PUtin's word to the US intel community.

Then Trump tried to foment a violent overthrow of the US government. I guess he wanted to be Putin's Quisling for the US.

In a reality-based world we'd see Trump for what he really was.
 
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He went on to show how Biden and the rest of NATO we're completely unprepared and too incompetent to deal with Putin.

They (Biden, NATO, and the UN) are the most incompetent boobs in power and I believe a threat to freedom and democracy
 
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...Did PUTIN EVER SAY HE PREFERRED THE US INTEL TO RUSSIAN INTEL? LOL. Never. And he never would have. But Trump preferred Putin's word to the US intel community.....
Yeah this item reminds me how lucky we are that Trump is no longer in charge of US foreign policy at this delicate moment.

Biden is no genius, but he's steady, stable, and generally exerting consistent effort in the right direction here. And he's not prone to being bamboozled by Russia like Trump was - for all to see.
 
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Trump is no longer in charge
Amen to this. Can we get past talking about him? He is now irrelevant.

For us the question is now what do we want our representatives to do.
 
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Amen to this. Can we get past talking about him? He is now irrelevant.

For us the question is now what do we want our representatives to do.
Dont forget this thread is in the "American Politics" section. So the purpose is to discuss the domestic political angle. Trump - or "Trumpism" - is still very much in charge of a good portion of the American mindset.
 
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Dont forget this thread is in the "American Politics" section. So the purpose is to discuss the domestic political angle. Trump - or "Trumpism" - is still very much in charge of a good portion of the American mindset.
And that is unfortunate. But speculating on what he would do or what Putin would not have done is pointless. IF the current POTUS is faltering what is the GOP alternative? They are divided.
 
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What manipulation? The business of starting with enclaves fooled no one. Putin is taking Ukraine because he can. Everyone knows. There’s no msniiplulation involved. Just immorality.

Putin has been remarkably transparent.
 
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What manipulation? The business of starting with enclaves fooled no one. Putin is taking Ukraine because he can. Everyone knows. There’s no msniiplulation involved. Just immorality.
Where is most of the NATO countries getting their oil from? And ask yourself who those oil revenues are funding? Then ask yourself what would happen to these countries if Putin cut their oil supply off? That should explain why NATO has done everything but the one thing that will cripple Russia's ability to make war.
 
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Only Trump would be deluded enough to think that. Trump did exactly what Putin wanted all 4 years of his presidency. He consistently undercut NATO and he only instituted sanctions when he was drug kicking and screaming to it.

Putin had a great ally in Trump. If Trump thought he was fooling anyone he was sadly mistaken.



That's hilarious. Putin was too savvy for Trump because Trump thought they were buddies. Trump was just a...what did the old KGB officers call it? A "useful idiot". Putin played Trump very well. Trump consistently threatened NATO and that was very much to Putin's ends.

Do you HONESTLY think Putin would have held off invading Ukraine if Trump were still in office? LOL. That's naivete on an industrial level. Putin, as most Russian dictators, has ALWAYS wanted Ukraine. Did you forget about the Donbas region? That was a pretext he set out years ago. The annexation of Crimea? Yeah, all before Joe was POTUS.

Putin has always had his eyes on Ukraine because the Russians think Ukraine is there's by right of "history".



Trump realized this? Is this why Trump was always so DEFERENTIAL to Putin?



It's getting boring seeing Trump supporters rewrite history.



Wow. I don't know how you came to that conclusion after just ONE DAY OF THE WAR. But kudos on being so insightful.

LOL.
Sorry. I didn't read past your first sentence because it became clear that I am wasting my time trying to explain anything to you. So you have wasted your time responding to me.

In the mean time, I will just say that Trump is an awful mean man who is the cause of all the problems in the world. But don't worry, Biden is our hero who will fix everything. There is nothing to fear now. Trump is gone and will never hurt you again. So long as we continue the fight against those horrible MAGA hat wearing Trump supporters, all will be well.
 
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