CNN Poll - 56% of Americans say Joe has done NOTHING they approve of.

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And yet the same can be said of moderate democrats (which appear to be a dying breed) due to the continued pressure from leadership and the unrelenting attacks of progressives. In a few more election cycles they may no longer exist in the democratic party. They will be leftist extremist democrats or belong to a separate party where they can at least attempt to make their voices heard.

I don't know that there would be a third party. People were pushing for a progressive party with Bernie, but it didn't take off. No matter how you look at it, a third party is going to split the vote, either on the conservative side or the more liberal (and I say that word loosely) side. It might happen, but I think it would just end up being another Green party or something of the sort. They're there, but mostly ignored by the majority of voters who still go for one of the two main parties.
 
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The problem with CRT in the schools is that it's being used as a LENS through which EVERY SUBJECT is to be taught through. Even math is considered racist and needs to be taught through the CRT lens with the point being to turn students into activists, not to provide them with an actual education.
But it’s not being taught in primary or secondary schools.

Your whole screed is moot.
 
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Biden Executive Order Promotes Critical Race Theory - The American Spectator | USA News and PoliticsThe American Spectator | USA News and Politics

GOP lawmakers warn against Biden critical race theory effort

Practically everything Biden does is anti-American, from the completely wide-open southern border to oppressive mandates and restrictions on American citizens to the weakening and even abandonment of U.S. armed forces. Parents are "terrorists" but the violent cartels and human trafficking going on at our border is to be welcomed with open arms, not to mention all the foreign nationals from places such as Russia that take advantage of it as well, less anyone think that it's just impoverished Mexican families who are seeking a better life.

I'm sure there might be some small smidgen of something Biden has done that I approve of. No one is 100% deficient in everything, but due to his weakness (and I wouldn't be surprised if it were found to be intentional) and therefore the current weakness and decline of the U.S., I have no doubt that we will see Russia attacking the Ukraine followed very shortly by China going after Taiwan. Why wouldn't these countries take advantage of an opportunity like this before the mid-terms when we might end up being able to turn things around a little bit?


Southern border is 3000 mills long.. in last 250 years of US history that border was always open. Unless you had a imaginary wall between Mexico and US in the past , that border was always open.

I am tried of you calling undocumented immigrant coming from Latin America are human trafficker and smuggler. They are people who are fleeing poverty and violence. And calling them ‘human trafficker and smuggler” is Anti-American.

Here is what is American


"Give me your tired, your poor,


Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,


The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.


Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,


I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"



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Oh even the smell of CRT is “too much”?
Do you even listen to yourself?

Do you agree then that students should be learning (even in math class) that black people are inherently inferior and that white people are inherently superior? Do you agree then that children should be racially segregated so that they may be "safe" within their own racial groups? If you support CRT, that's only a fraction of what's being done to those children.

Atlanta School Caught Separating Black and White Kids, Parents Outraged
 
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But it’s not being taught in primary or secondary schools.

Your whole screed is moot.

You can't fight a culture war without an enemy... real or manufactured.
 
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Southern border is 3000 mills long.. in last 250 years of US history that border was always open. Unless you had a imaginary wall between Mexico and US in the past , that border was always open.

I am tried of you calling undocumented immigrant coming from Latin America are human trafficker and smuggler. They are people who are fleeing poverty and violence. And calling them ‘human trafficker and smuggler” is Anti-American.

Here is what is American


"Give me your tired, your poor,


Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,


The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.


Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,


I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"



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For LEGAL immigrants.

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"You don't have to be a Democrat just because you're black"

"If you read the article, they talk about the shift in black voters....and if you read through any of this, the black community is starting to shift more toward the Republican party. People are starting to wake up and say, you know what, there is more out there."


I'd be willing to bet the CNN poll didn't just include white people in that 56 percent.
 
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Why has the title of this thread not been changed after it was proven to be false? The 56% is of those who already disapproved of Biden, not all Americans. Presenting otherwise is the definition of false witness.
Truthiness.
 
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It isn't quite the same, being censured by the state party organzation -- claiming that their Senator is not representing what the state wants -- and being censured by the national party -- with the national party also discussing if they should just kick them out rather than simply censuring. Even the article linked suggests that Sinema is in no real trouble.

You could also blame Sinema's censure on "Arizona politics," which has always been a bit strange. After all, it wasn't that long ago that Republican's censured three different Republican's -- one the widow of a former senator who is not a politician.

No, because the party and the media portrayed him as a centrist......big difference......

Only time will tell......the party can still wake up to its danger.......

No, because Biden is actually a centrist. He may be more of a "leftist" on some issues -- people tend to have a range of views depending on the topic, most are not easily pigeonholed where they are the same on a left-right scale regardless of topic -- but Biden overall is quite centrist.
 
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It isn't quite the same, being censured by the state party organzation -- claiming that their Senator is not representing what the state wants -- and being censured by the national party -- with the national party also discussing if they should just kick them out rather than simply censuring. Even the article linked suggests that Sinema is in no real trouble.
Except she does not represent the federal government but rather the people of Arizona. The state party can decline to support her re-election either financially or throwing their support behind another candidate.....which typically will sink an incumbent.
 
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If all the schools were doing was talking *about* CRT and teaching it along with other ideologies and philosophies of thought, there would be no problem. I remember us studying the Communist Manifesto in high school history class and that was fine. They weren't attempting to turn us all into little communists for the cause.

The problem with CRT in the schools is that it's being used as a LENS through which EVERY SUBJECT is to be taught through. Even math is considered racist and needs to be taught through the CRT lens with the point being to turn students into activists, not to provide them with an actual education.

So discuss CRT all you want, but don't use it to INDOCTRINATE, which is what the Democratic establishment is pushing in the schools.

I can't agree with this. From what I've seen, as a general rule CRT is not taught in public schools -- at least not until college, or more typically, law school. Instead, portions of CRT -- the ones that deal with racism within the public school system -- is being taught to teachers and administrators to help create a less racist school environment.

As for the rest, CRT is being used as a "boogeyman," much like "socialism" has been used by Republican's for decades. It also begs the question -- in the states where they have passed laws banning CRT, where was it ever taught? And why does it need to be codified into law -- if CRT is as bad as you claim, shouldn't school districts, and state school officials, ensure that CRT is kept out of the school curriculum, without the need for a state law (and hadn't they been doing that already in those states)?

What evidence do you have that what I'm "promoting" is not true? What exactly am I "promoting"? Who are the people "like me" anyway? If you say "far-right, Trump-loving Republican" you would be very wrong. If you say something more like "liberal without a political home" then you would be getting much closer.

My apologies if I was not clear enough -- the "like you" was not meant as you, which is the reason for the quotes. Instead, I was talking about people on social media who promote non-factual ideas and claim their First Amendment rights are being violated -- because the company that owns the social media site will not allow them to post their non-factual information. People "like them."




My point was that you were claiming Democrats were promoting censorship. You were shown it is not Democrats promoting censorship, at least not any type of government censorship, and changed your argument (the goalposts) from censorship to minorities leaving the Democratic Party.



I'm not a Republican. I'm a liberal and considered myself to be left for most of my life. Unfortunately, the left seems to have left me.

Which has no bearing on the discussion; though, from other points you've made, it appears you are perhaps politically "left" but socially "right." As such, while you may support things like a single payer medical solution, you are against gay rights (or at least the "more extreme" portions, such as transsexual rights).



There are vaccine exemptions in many if not most states for school children, for health and religious purposes. The COVID vaccine that has been around for only a year has no such exemptions in most if not all places.

There is an interesting point about the religious exemptions for public school, to use Texas, for an example, "A child or student who has not received the required immunizations for reasons of conscience, including religious beliefs, may be excluded from school in times of emergency or epidemic declared by the commissioner of the department." From what I've seen, most states have similar language in their religious exemptions.

Rules have not been changed for COVID, rather, since we are in a pandemic (which is worse than an epidemic) the portions of the law that prevent those who use religious exemptions from attending school have been activated. With schools now requiring the COVID vaccination, in addition to other vaccinations, a religious exemption does not allow the student to attend school.

I hope you are right, but I believe that you are wrong. We may not have another 40 years as a constitutional republic at the rate we're going.

And, from where I sit, it is largely the Republican's who will cause this. Don't get me wrong, Democrats have plenty of flaws, as well. Yet there has been a clear Republican goal to find ways to rule, despite only a minority supporting them. Though I believe the laws have failed, so far, they've tried passing laws that would let a Republican state legislature overturn the will of the people, if that will doesn't match what the legislature decides. In another case, I've seen a Republican legislature overturn the clear will of the people -- voting in various restrictions and even ignoring referendums that received a clear majority.

Then there is the entire "stolen election" claims, that continue to be pushed nationally, despite no evidence. We have a party (or at least the last President, who controls the party) tell us that states should be free to submit two sets of Electoral College votes, and that the Vice President should be free to chose the slate of electors -- regardless of the results of the vote in the state. We even have a majority of Republicans claiming they would support a military coup, since only 27% of Republicans trust elections.

Yes, the country, and upholding the Constitution, is clearly in crisis.

I said these exact same words, probably on this forum, just over a year ago, but I've since found out that it's not what the Democratic establishment, i.e. woke radicals, want. I'm still all for policies such as universal health care and better environmental protections. I am not at all for the utter depravity, socially, culturally, morally, and economically, that is being pushed by the current version of the Democratic party.

Pushed by who -- and what specific policies? There are a variety of voices in the Democratic party right now, it is not controlled by any single faction. Yes, some voices tend to be "louder" but that has always been the case in American politics -- but the loudest are often much different than those that actually wield the power.
 
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Except she does not represent the federal government but rather the people of Arizona. The state party can decline to support her re-election either financially or throwing their support behind another candidate.....which typically will sink an incumbent.

Which is their right. They decided she wasn't representing the state, her constituents, the way they wanted her to. You can argue if they were right but that is what they were censuring. And the Democratic Party of Arizona is not "the federal government" -- they would claim they are the representatives of Democrats in Arizona. It isn't the same as kicking her out of the party.

By contrast, we have Republican national leadership censuring some Republicans because they aren't doing what the national leadership wants done. Part of that discussion actually was centered on kicking them out of the party. And this was done over and above the fact that Liz Cheney had already been censured by the Wyoming Republican Party -- something few (at least outside of Wyoming) really cared about. In Republican's case they did not censure Kinzinger and Cheney for not representing the wishes of their constituents and it is the first time the Republican national party has ever used it against a sitting Congressperson, much less two.
 
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Not a right wing source - CNN
The source is fine. But the thread title misrepresented the poll. You have to look at the details. Here they are from the original CNN article:

The President's ratings have fallen across the board, the survey found. Just 41% approved of the way he's handling his job while 58% disapproved, a significant drop from his approval numbers..

This the starting point. The article goes on to say:

When those who disapproved of Biden's overall performance were asked to name a single thing he'd done that they did approved of, 56% had nothing positive to say.

So, the 56% that says there is nothing Joe has done that they approve of is 56% of the 58% who disapproved of Joe overall. That means as a fraction of all Americans polled, those the say there is nothing they approve of is 56% x 58% = 32%. So the correct headline should be "32% of Americans say that Joe has done NOTHING they approve of." This illustrates how polarized our nation has become. Very few people are on the fence about anything. To say that you disapprove of Joe overall, but find at least one little thing you approve of would put you on the fence somewhat. Nobody wants to be one the fence in this political climate. You are either on one side or the other. All out or all in. If are against Joe you have to be against him all the way. There is no middle ground. No moderates. No compromise. No collegiality. No spirit of national unity. There is only unity with your tribe. That's the real take-away from this poll.
 
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The source is fine. But the thread title misrepresented the poll. You have to look at the details. Here they are from the original CNN article:

Here is the thread title

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Your issue is with CNN. Not me. Perhaps that is why they are failing so miserably
 
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