Is Baptism In Christ's Name Done In Acts Wrong?

ChristServant

Well-Known Member
Aug 23, 2020
544
460
South
✟26,634.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Jesus said to His disciples

"All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth."Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" so, why did the apostles baptize in Christ's name and not how He told them?

Peace be to all those in the Body of Christ.
 

HTacianas

Well-Known Member
Jul 9, 2018
8,502
9,008
Florida
✟324,853.00
Country
United States
Faith
Eastern Orthodox
Marital Status
Single
Jesus said to His disciples

"All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth."Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" so, why did the apostles baptize in Christ's name and not how He told them?

Peace be to all those in the Body of Christ.

It is a synecdoche. They need not repeat everything in every line. In Acts to say baptized in Jesus' name is merely introductory to the Jews.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: SkyWriting
Upvote 0

Albion

Facilitator
Dec 8, 2004
111,138
33,258
✟583,842.00
Country
United States
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Married
Jesus said to His disciples

"All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth."Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" so, why did the apostles baptize in Christ's name and not how He told them?
First off, we do NOT know that "the Apostles" didn't baptize in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost. You are referring to one line in the New Testament in which Christ is referred to but not the Father or the Holy Ghost.

But as for that incident which seems to conflict with Christ's own instructions to his Apostles, this link will explain that for you.
Should we be baptized in Jesus’ name (Acts 2:38), or in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19)? | GotQuestions.org

Keep in kind also that when "in the name of" is used, it does not mean that those exact words must be mouthed.

We today think of a "name" as our personal handle, like John Smith or Mary Jones; but the expression you are dealing with has a meaning that is closer to what we intend when something like this is said: "Stop in the name of the law!"

Do you suppose that the speaker there means to call out "law," law," as though hearing that word would magically make the other person stop running? No, it is a reference to the authority that lies behind the action, just as is the case with Christian baptism and the formula/wording that's used.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Saint Steven
Upvote 0

Saint Steven

You can call me Steve
Site Supporter
Jul 2, 2018
18,580
11,385
Minneapolis, MN
✟930,116.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
I wonder if baptism stated as "in the name of Jesus" was only to differentiate between John's baptism and baptism INTO Jesus. This example of what happened in Ephesus is a good example.

Acts 19:4-5 NIV
Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” 5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
 
Upvote 0

Saint Steven

You can call me Steve
Site Supporter
Jul 2, 2018
18,580
11,385
Minneapolis, MN
✟930,116.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Baptise in the way taught by Christ. John's way was different.
I agree.
However, I don't think that is what is being compared here in this topic. And clearly John was not baptizing in Jesus' name.

The comparison is between, as you wrote, the way Jesus taught, and the examples we see in the book of the Acts of the Apostles.

In the book of Acts we only read about baptisms in Jesus name. The name of the Father and of the Holy Spirit is not mentioned.
 
Upvote 0

ViaCrucis

Confessional Lutheran
Oct 2, 2011
37,438
26,879
Pacific Northwest
✟731,845.00
Country
United States
Faith
Lutheran
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Others
Jesus said to His disciples

"All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth."Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" so, why did the apostles baptize in Christ's name and not how He told them?

Peace be to all those in the Body of Christ.

You're making the assumption that the Acts of the Apostles provides a formula for baptizing; I think that's a common assumption people make, but it's worth asking if it's a right assumption.

Because there's a very different way to understand these phrases, namely, that "in the name of Jesus Christ" or "in the name of the Lord Jesus" is the way the Acts of the Apostles distinguishes Christian Baptism from other "baptisms", such as St. John the Baptist's baptism which was for repentance in anticipation of the coming of Christ--hence why in Acts 19 St. Paul encounters a group of "disciples" who only know the baptism and teaching of John the Baptist and Paul has to instruct them further into Christian doctrine, and then administers Christian Baptism to them.

That is to say, "in the name of Jesus" is not a formula for baptism. It marks this baptism as being by the authority of Jesus Christ.

We know from the ancient witness of the Church that the three-fold name of the Trinity is what has been the normative "formula" when administering Christian Baptism. Such in the 1st century apostolic-era Didache, a practical manual of church practice and teaching; in the Didache the normative way to administer Baptism is full immersion of the body in cool running water (such as a river or a stream); if that's not available, the next best thing is cool standing water (such as a pond or a bath, like the Jewish mikveh). If there is no cool water, warm water is fine. And if there isn't enough water to immerse the body, then pouring water on top of the head is acceptable. This is why traditionally baptism by immersion is triple immersion in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit; or pouring water thrice on top of the head in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.

So we know that actual, practical guides and instruction for how to administer Baptism is in the three-fold name given by the Lord in Matthew; rather than "in Jesus' name". Which would suggest that most Christians, from the first century onward, have understood Christ's command in Matthew to be the instruction which the Church is to do. And thus in the Acts of the Apostles we see simply that when the early Christians baptized, they were clear that this was not Jewish baptism, or John's baptism, but Christian Baptism.

-CryptoLutheran
 
  • Informative
Reactions: Saint Steven
Upvote 0

Saint Steven

You can call me Steve
Site Supporter
Jul 2, 2018
18,580
11,385
Minneapolis, MN
✟930,116.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
You're making the assumption that the Acts of the Apostles provides a formula for baptizing...
I don't think that is what the OP was asking at all.
The "formula" he quoted was from the gospels.
The question is why the "formula" appears to differ in the book of Acts. As I understand it.

I agree with the rest of your post. Very informative, thanks.
 
Upvote 0

ViaCrucis

Confessional Lutheran
Oct 2, 2011
37,438
26,879
Pacific Northwest
✟731,845.00
Country
United States
Faith
Lutheran
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Others
I don't think that is what the OP was asking at all.
The "formula" he quoted was from the gospels.
The question is why the "formula" appears to differ in the book of Acts. As I understand it.

I agree with the rest of your post. Very informative, thanks.

That's the question I answered. That's why I said it's important to question the underlying assumption that what is said in Acts is presented as a "formula"; and provided an alternative perspective.

-CryptoLutheran
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Der Alte

This is me about 1 yr. old.
Site Supporter
Aug 21, 2003
28,578
6,064
EST
✟993,185.00
Country
United States
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
"In the name of" means "In/by the authority of..."
(Act 4:7) And when they had set them in the midst, they asked, by what power, or by what name, have ye done this?​
We don't really know what the disciples actually said when they baptized. Not one verse describes a disciple baptism and states the exact words the one performing the baptism actually spoke. The only baptism that does is the baptism of Jesus. Which of the six baptismal statements referred to, by the disciples, in the NT, is the correct one?
(Act 8:16) (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
(Act 10:48) And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
(Act 19:5) When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
(Act 22:16) And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
(Rom 6:3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
(Gal 3:27) For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.​
 
Upvote 0

SkyWriting

The Librarian
Site Supporter
Jan 10, 2010
37,279
8,500
Milwaukee
✟410,948.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
Jesus said to His disciples

"All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth."Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" so, why did the apostles baptize in Christ's name and not how He told them?

Peace be to all those in the Body of Christ.
God even forgives a poor memory. The Father is fully informed.
 
Upvote 0

StephenDiscipleofYHWH

Well-Known Member
Jul 11, 2018
1,483
378
28
Ransom county
✟69,666.00
Country
United States
Faith
Apostolic
Marital Status
Single
Jesus said to His disciples

"All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth."Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" so, why did the apostles baptize in Christ's name and not how He told them?

Peace be to all those in the Body of Christ.
There is only one name under heaven given unto man by which they may be saved, Yahshua the Christ(Matt 28:18-20; Acts 4:10-12; Acts 10:43,48; Ephesians 1:21; Hebrews 1:4). We must be Baptized in the Name of Yahshua the Christ Alone for remission of Sins(Matthew 28:19-20; Acts 2:38; Acts 8:12-13,15-17; Acts 10:47-48; Acts 19:5; Acts 22:16).

We are saved by Faith alone(Ephesians 2:8-9) but we are justified by faith and works(James 2:14-26). So if we have faith we will keep the commandments of the Lord(Revelation 14:12-13; John 14:15-21). One of Those commandments, and one of those works that must be done, is that we must be born again(John 3:1-8; 1 Peter 1:23; Colossians 3:10; 2 Corinthians 5:15-17; Titus 3:5; John 1:11-13). Baptism is the means by which we are born again(Romans 6:3-11; John 3:2-7; Galatians 2:19-20; Colossians 2:10-15,19-23; John 3:6; Galatians 4:29). In order for the Baptism to be effective you have to have a name(Matthew 28:19-20; Acts 2:38; Acts 19:5). Not just any name but a name so special, powerful, and unique that it was the only name of its kind given under heaven(Acts 4:10-12; Matt 28:18-20; Acts 10:48). A name given to us by God Himself, given to us in God's own name(John 5:43)(Yah). The bible speaks in great detail on this matter, and does not fail in stressing the magnitude and importance of the only name heaven has given us to be saved.

It is clearly seen that baptism must be done in one name alone and not the three titles(Father son and Holy Spirit), the one name given for baptism is Yahshua the Christ. The common, and unbiblical, method of Baptism that uses the three titles draws the belief chiefly from a misunderstanding of Matt 28:19.

Matthew 28:19
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

This scripture which tells us to baptize in the Name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost has been incorrectly used as a proof text to teach that we should baptize all men in a way God did not command. This belief still persists, even though every verse in scripture that gives the method of Baptism used by the Apostles has in every instance proven this erroneous belief to be false. Examine for yourselves, can you find a single scripture that says men were baptized in the Titles Father son and Holy Spirit at any time? Mark 1:4-5; Mark 16:16; John 3:5; Acts 2:38, 41; Acts 8:12-13,16-17,36-38; Acts 9:18 Acts 10:44,47-48; Acts 16:14-15,31-33; Acts 16:14-15,31-33; Acts 18:8; Acts 19:4-7; Acts 22:16; 1 Corinthians 12:13; Galatians 3:26-27; 1 Peter 3:21.

When we are Baptized it must be in Yahshua's name since it is through his power, and his Authority that we are born again. It is also because it is into Yahshua himself that we are crucified and made dead, and also through him that we are made alive and born again. His name must be present because it is Yahshua who we are Baptized into, it is the one name above every other name(Philippians 2:9) and the only one given to us to be saved by(Acts 4:12).
 
Upvote 0

Der Alte

This is me about 1 yr. old.
Site Supporter
Aug 21, 2003
28,578
6,064
EST
✟993,185.00
Country
United States
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
There is no such name as Yahshuah. "Yah" is never used at the first part of a Hebrew name only the second part e.g. Isaiah, Jeremiah. Theophoric name use Yo or Yeho in the first part of a name.
To verify citations, [ECF Link]
1. Ignatius – The Epistle to the Philadelphians [30-107 a.d.], [a disciple of John.] [218 + years before Nicaea]
Chapter IX.-The Old Testament is Good: the New Testament is Better
"Go ye and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
" All then are good together, the law, the prophets, the apostles, the whole company [of others] that have believed through them: only if we love one another.
2. Irenaeus – Against Heresies Book III [a.d. 120-202.], [a student of Polycarp, who was a disciple of John.] [123 + years before Nicaea]
That is the Spirit of whom the Lord declares, "For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you."308 And again, giving to the disciples the power of regeneration into God,309 He said to them," Go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. "
3. Justin – 1st Apology Chapter LXI.-Christian Baptism. [110-165 a.d. ][ca. 175 years before Nicaea]

Then they are brought by us where there is water, and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated. For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Saviour Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said, "Except ye be born again, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.127
4. Tertullian – The Prescription Against Heretics.1 [a.d. 145-220] [105 + years before Nicaea]
Accordingly, after one of these had been struck off, He commanded the eleven others, on His departure to the Father, to "go and teach all nations, who were to be baptized into the Father, and into the Son, and into the Holy Ghost." 203
4a. Tertullian – On Baptism. [105 + years before Nicaea]
For the law of baptizing has been imposed, and the formula prescribed: "Go," He saith, "teach the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. "
5. The Extant Works and Fragments of Hippolytus. – Part II. – Dogmatical and Historical. (c.170-c.236). [89 + years before Nicaea]
The Father's Word, therefore, knowing the economy (disposition) and the will of the Father, to wit, that the Father seeks to be worshipped in none other way than this, gave this charge to the disciples after He rose from the dead: "Go ye and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. "265 And by this He showed, that whosoever omitted any one of these, failed in glorifying God perfectly. For it is through this Trinity that the Father is glorified. For the Father willed, the Son did, the Spirit manifested. The whole Scriptures, then, proclaim this truth.
6. Cyprian – Treatise XII.1 – Three Books of Testimonies Against the Jews. [c.200-258][67 + years before Nicaea]
And He laid His right hand upon me, and said, Fear not; I am the first and the last, and He that liveth and was dead; and, lo, I am living for evermore289 and I have the keys of death and of hell."290 Likewise in the Gospel, the Lord after His resurrection says to His disciples: "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you.
7. Origen – de Principiis Book I [c.185-c.254] [71+ years before Nicaea]

From all which we learn that the person of the Holy Spirit was of such authority and dignity, that saving baptism was not complete except by the authority of the most excellent Trinity of them all, i.e., by the naming of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and by joining to the unbegotten God the Father, and to His only-begotten Son, the name also of the Holy Spirit.
8. The Lord's Teaching Through the Twelve Apostles to the Nations. –
Chapter VII. – Concerning Baptism. [120 AD][205 years before Nicaea]

1. And concerning baptism,73 thus baptize ye:74 Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,75 in living water.76 2. But if thou have not living water, baptize into other water; and if thou3canst not in cold, in warm. 3. But if thou have not either, pour out water thrice77 upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. 4. But before the baptism let the 4 baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whatever others can; but thou shalt order the baptized to fast one or two days before.
9. Constitutions of the Holy Apostles – Book II. Of Bishops, Presbyters, and Deacons. [Late 2d to early 3d century] [100 + years before Nicaea]
Let the presbyters be esteemed by you to represent us the apostles, and let them be the teachers of divine knowledge; since our Lord, when He sent us, said, "Go ye, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you."
10. Life and Conduct of the Holy Women Xanthippe, Polyxena, and Rebecca [mid 3d century] [75 years before Nicaea]
XIV.
Therefore the great Paul straightway taking her hand, went into the house of Philotheus, and baptised her in the name of the Father and of the Son and the Holy Ghost.
11. Tatian – The Diatessaron [ca. 175] [150 years before Nicaea]
Then said Jesus unto them, I have been given all authority in heaven 5 and earth; and as my Father hath sent me, so I also send you. Go now into [sup]6[/sup] all the world, and preach my gospel in all the creation; and teach all the peoples, and 7 baptize them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit; and teach them to keep all whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you all the days, unto 8 the end of the world.
12. At the seventh Council of Carthage in 256 [69 years before Nicaea], a bishop named Vincentius of Thibaris said, "We have assuredly the rule of truth which the Lord by His divine precept commanded to His apostles, saying, 'Go ye, lay on hands in My name, expel demons.' And in another place: "Go ye and teach the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.'"
Vincentius' second quotation is from Matthew 28:19. Despite attempts by some interpreters to connect the first quotation to Matthew 10:8, the references to going, laying on hands, expelling demons, and doing so in My name add up to a reference to Mark 16:15- 18, especially when placed side-by-side with the parallel passage from Matthew​
Seventh Council of Carthage - Concerning the Baptism of Heretics. The Judgment of Eighty-Seven Bishops on the Baptism of Heretics. 256 a.d. [69 years before Nicaea]
13.
Lucius of Castra Galbae said: Since the Lord in His Gospel said, "Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt should have lost its savour, wherewith shall it be salted? It is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out of doors, and to be trodden under foot of men." And again, after His resurrection, sending His apostles, He gave them charge, saying, "All power is given unto me, in heaven and in earth. Go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
14.
Munnulus of Girba said: The truth of our Mother6 the Catholic Church, brethren, hath always remained and still remains with us, and even especially in the Trinity of baptism, as our Lord says, "Go ye and baptize the nations, in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. "
15.
Euchratius of Thenae said: God and our Lord Jesus Christ, teaching the apostles with His own mouth, has entirely completed our faith, and the grace of baptism, and the rule of the ecclesiastical law, saying: "Go ye and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
16.
Vincentius of Thibaris said: We know that heretics are worse than Gentiles. If, therefore, being converted, they should wish to come to the Lord, we have assuredly the rule of truth which the Lord by His divine precept commanded to His apostles, saying, "Go ye, lay on hands in my name, expel demons." And in another place: "Go ye and teach the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
ECF Link
A website that lists, and links, 26 occurrences of the Matt 28:19 Triadic formula, in the early church fathers.​
 
Upvote 0

StephenDiscipleofYHWH

Well-Known Member
Jul 11, 2018
1,483
378
28
Ransom county
✟69,666.00
Country
United States
Faith
Apostolic
Marital Status
Single
There is no such name as Yahshuah. "Yah" is never used at the first part of a Hebrew name only the second part e.g. Isaiah, Jeremiah. Theophoric name use Yo or Yeho in the first part of a name.
To verify citations, [ECF Link]
1. Ignatius – The Epistle to the Philadelphians [30-107 a.d.], [a disciple of John.] [218 + years before Nicaea]
Chapter IX.-The Old Testament is Good: the New Testament is Better
"Go ye and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
" All then are good together, the law, the prophets, the apostles, the whole company [of others] that have believed through them: only if we love one another.
2. Irenaeus – Against Heresies Book III [a.d. 120-202.], [a student of Polycarp, who was a disciple of John.] [123 + years before Nicaea]
That is the Spirit of whom the Lord declares, "For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you."308 And again, giving to the disciples the power of regeneration into God,309 He said to them," Go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. "
3. Justin – 1st Apology Chapter LXI.-Christian Baptism. [110-165 a.d. ][ca. 175 years before Nicaea]

Then they are brought by us where there is water, and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated. For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Saviour Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said, "Except ye be born again, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.127
4. Tertullian – The Prescription Against Heretics.1 [a.d. 145-220] [105 + years before Nicaea]
Accordingly, after one of these had been struck off, He commanded the eleven others, on His departure to the Father, to "go and teach all nations, who were to be baptized into the Father, and into the Son, and into the Holy Ghost." 203
4a. Tertullian – On Baptism. [105 + years before Nicaea]
For the law of baptizing has been imposed, and the formula prescribed: "Go," He saith, "teach the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. "
5. The Extant Works and Fragments of Hippolytus. – Part II. – Dogmatical and Historical. (c.170-c.236). [89 + years before Nicaea]
The Father's Word, therefore, knowing the economy (disposition) and the will of the Father, to wit, that the Father seeks to be worshipped in none other way than this, gave this charge to the disciples after He rose from the dead: "Go ye and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. "265 And by this He showed, that whosoever omitted any one of these, failed in glorifying God perfectly. For it is through this Trinity that the Father is glorified. For the Father willed, the Son did, the Spirit manifested. The whole Scriptures, then, proclaim this truth.
6. Cyprian – Treatise XII.1 – Three Books of Testimonies Against the Jews. [c.200-258][67 + years before Nicaea]
And He laid His right hand upon me, and said, Fear not; I am the first and the last, and He that liveth and was dead; and, lo, I am living for evermore289 and I have the keys of death and of hell."290 Likewise in the Gospel, the Lord after His resurrection says to His disciples: "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you.
7. Origen – de Principiis Book I [c.185-c.254] [71+ years before Nicaea]

From all which we learn that the person of the Holy Spirit was of such authority and dignity, that saving baptism was not complete except by the authority of the most excellent Trinity of them all, i.e., by the naming of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and by joining to the unbegotten God the Father, and to His only-begotten Son, the name also of the Holy Spirit.
8. The Lord's Teaching Through the Twelve Apostles to the Nations. –
Chapter VII. – Concerning Baptism. [120 AD][205 years before Nicaea]

1. And concerning baptism,73 thus baptize ye:74 Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,75 in living water.76 2. But if thou have not living water, baptize into other water; and if thou3canst not in cold, in warm. 3. But if thou have not either, pour out water thrice77 upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. 4. But before the baptism let the 4 baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whatever others can; but thou shalt order the baptized to fast one or two days before.
9. Constitutions of the Holy Apostles – Book II. Of Bishops, Presbyters, and Deacons. [Late 2d to early 3d century] [100 + years before Nicaea]
Let the presbyters be esteemed by you to represent us the apostles, and let them be the teachers of divine knowledge; since our Lord, when He sent us, said, "Go ye, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you."
10. Life and Conduct of the Holy Women Xanthippe, Polyxena, and Rebecca [mid 3d century] [75 years before Nicaea]
XIV.
Therefore the great Paul straightway taking her hand, went into the house of Philotheus, and baptised her in the name of the Father and of the Son and the Holy Ghost.
11. Tatian – The Diatessaron [ca. 175] [150 years before Nicaea]
Then said Jesus unto them, I have been given all authority in heaven 5 and earth; and as my Father hath sent me, so I also send you. Go now into [sup]6[/sup] all the world, and preach my gospel in all the creation; and teach all the peoples, and 7 baptize them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit; and teach them to keep all whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you all the days, unto 8 the end of the world.
12. At the seventh Council of Carthage in 256 [69 years before Nicaea], a bishop named Vincentius of Thibaris said, "We have assuredly the rule of truth which the Lord by His divine precept commanded to His apostles, saying, 'Go ye, lay on hands in My name, expel demons.' And in another place: "Go ye and teach the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.'"
Vincentius' second quotation is from Matthew 28:19. Despite attempts by some interpreters to connect the first quotation to Matthew 10:8, the references to going, laying on hands, expelling demons, and doing so in My name add up to a reference to Mark 16:15- 18, especially when placed side-by-side with the parallel passage from Matthew​
Seventh Council of Carthage - Concerning the Baptism of Heretics. The Judgment of Eighty-Seven Bishops on the Baptism of Heretics. 256 a.d. [69 years before Nicaea]
13.
Lucius of Castra Galbae said: Since the Lord in His Gospel said, "Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt should have lost its savour, wherewith shall it be salted? It is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out of doors, and to be trodden under foot of men." And again, after His resurrection, sending His apostles, He gave them charge, saying, "All power is given unto me, in heaven and in earth. Go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
14.
Munnulus of Girba said: The truth of our Mother6 the Catholic Church, brethren, hath always remained and still remains with us, and even especially in the Trinity of baptism, as our Lord says, "Go ye and baptize the nations, in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. "
15.
Euchratius of Thenae said: God and our Lord Jesus Christ, teaching the apostles with His own mouth, has entirely completed our faith, and the grace of baptism, and the rule of the ecclesiastical law, saying: "Go ye and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
16.
Vincentius of Thibaris said: We know that heretics are worse than Gentiles. If, therefore, being converted, they should wish to come to the Lord, we have assuredly the rule of truth which the Lord by His divine precept commanded to His apostles, saying, "Go ye, lay on hands in my name, expel demons." And in another place: "Go ye and teach the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
ECF Link
A website that lists, and links, 26 occurrences of the Matt 28:19 Triadic formula, in the early church fathers.​
Acts 20:29-31
29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

2 Cor 11:12-15
12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Jude 1:4
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Peter 2:1-3
1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

These so called early church fathers were those who brought in damnable heresies just as the Apostles foretold. If a belief cannot be shown from scripture alone then it has no reason to be believed. To use the teachings of those we were warned of by God's minsters is to invite damnable heresies into the doctrine we hold.

As to the name:
Acts 4:12 (None other name given by which man can be saved).

"YAHoshua"
"YAHshua"(Hebrew)
"Yesohua"(Aramaic)



The name (Jesus) is barely 400 years old.
(IESVS) KJV printed in 1611 Later revision became(Jesus)
The original King James Version did not use the letter J. J first appeared in the 1629 Cambridge King James Authorized Bible which is considered the 1st Revision. The Letter J and it’s pronunciation did not exist until four hundred years ago bringing with it the name Jesus. Before that time Christ’s name was pronounced with a Y sound not the J(because it did not exist). This is true in greek, Latin, and Hebrew. A quick search in the strong’s concordance shows this to be true. Strong's Hebrew: 3091. יְהוֹשׁ֫וּעַ (Yehoshua) -- "the LORD is salvation," Moses' successor, also the name of a number of Isr.


John 5:43"I come in my father's name" Yah
Acts 26:14 Paul heard a voice in hebrew.
John 17:12
Acts 4:12 " A name by which we must be saved"


"YAHshua" Yahshua
John 3:18, Philip 2:9-10 God gave him a name above every name.
There is salvation in no other name.
Acts 4:12, Romans 10:13, Acts 2:21, Zech 13:9, Ps 79:6,9. (Romans 10:9 YAHSHUA)
His name was received by inheritance Heb 1:1-4
John 12:28 "Father glorify thy name".
Psalm 68:4 By his name YAH not with a J But with a(Y)
Rev 19:6 Hallelujah=Translated praise our God YAH.


Jesus p. 544-545, All references of the Name Jesus leads to Top(R) p.37) 2424 which is taken from the 3091 Hebrew. Gal 3:28- Strong's Greek: 2424. Ἰησοῦς (Iésous) -- Jesus or Joshua, the name of the Messiah, also three other Isr.

Yahshua or(Yeh-ho-shoo-ah 3091 [p.48 Hebrew
2424 Greek Jesus= (Yeh-ho-shoo-ah 3091 [p.48 Hebrew)
Matt 1:21


Heb
3068
3476
1954
3442


Psalm 135:1
YHWH- Yahweh Hebrew 3068 from base of 3050 Yah


Genesis 15:2-3069 [e]
Yah·weh
יֱהוִה֙
GOD


3050. Yah
Part of Speech: Proper Name
Transliteration: Yah
Phonetic Spelling: (yaw)
Proper name of Deity-the Lord-Yah


Exodus 17:16-3050 [e]
yāh,
יָ֔הּ
of the LORD
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Der Alte

This is me about 1 yr. old.
Site Supporter
Aug 21, 2003
28,578
6,064
EST
✟993,185.00
Country
United States
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
* * *
These so called early church fathers were those who brought in damnable heresies just as the Apostles foretold. If a belief cannot be shown from scripture alone then it has no reason to be believed. To use the teachings of those we were warned of by God's minsters is to invite damnable heresies into the doctrine we hold.
As to the name:
Acts 4:12 (None other name given by which man can be saved).
"YAHoshua"
"YAHshua"(Hebrew)
"Yesohua"(Aramaic)
Quoting a bunch of scripture without clearly showing how and to whom it specifically pertains is pretty much meaningless.
Some of those ECF you blew off were students of John. Do you think they were also grievous wolves etc?
The name (Jesus) is barely 400 years old.
(IESVS) KJV printed in 1611 Later revision became(Jesus)
The original King James Version did not use the letter J. J first appeared in the 1629 Cambridge King James Authorized Bible which is considered the 1st Revision. The Letter J and it’s pronunciation did not exist until four hundred years ago bringing with it the name Jesus. Before that time Christ’s name was pronounced with a Y sound not the J(because it did not exist). This is true in greek, Latin, and Hebrew. A quick search in the strong’s concordance shows this to be true.
All irrelevant. I am not impressed with all your copy/pastes from anonymous websites. One can find a website which support almost anything. FYI Strong's has been found to have about 15,000 errors or omissions.
The name
ישׁוע/Yeshua occurs 29 times in the OT , it is transliterated, 29 times, as Ἰησοῦς/Iesous, pronounced Yaysus, in the 225 BC LXX. Joshua occurs 216 times in the OT it is also transliterated Ἰησοῦς/Iesous, pronounced Yaysus, 216 times in the 225 BC LXX,
How did Jesus get in the Bible? You don't know because you have not done any credible research just copy/pasting from websites which support your assumptions/presuppositions.
When Martin Luther translated the Bible into German he transliterated Ἰησοῦς/Iesous, as Jesus which in German is pronounced Yaysus.
All this stuff about "Jesus" is just so much nonsense. Unless my Savior is going to reject His disciples because they didn't use the right name.
In the NT Yeshua is translated 977 times as Ἰησοῦς/Iesous i.e. Yaysus. Jesus did not seem to be offended by being addressed as Ἰησοῦς/Iesous instead of ישׁוע/Yeshua

Jewish Encyclopedia - Names of God
If the explanation of the form above given be the true one, the original pronunciation must have been Yahweh (
V09p161004.jpg
) or Yahaweh (
V09p161005.jpg
). From this the contracted form Jah or Yah (
V09p161006.jpg
) is most readily explained, and also the forms Jeho or Yeho (
V09p161007.jpg
=
V09p161008.jpg
), and Jo or Yo (
V09p161009.jpg
, contracted from
V09p161010.jpg
), which the word assumes in combination in the first part of compound proper names, and Yahu or Yah (
V09p161011.jpg
)
in the second part of such names.
NAMES OF GOD - JewishEncyclopedia.com
If you wish I can address the rest of your post later.
 
Upvote 0

Saint Steven

You can call me Steve
Site Supporter
Jul 2, 2018
18,580
11,385
Minneapolis, MN
✟930,116.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Salvation is not a transaction. Salvation is what happens when God comes into the world to put together the broken pieces of the world, and we are both recipients and partakers of that. Recipients, for this is God's great gift to us; partakers because He invites us to be part of His loving of the world by going into the deep and dark places of the world.
I like your signature line.
 
  • Friendly
Reactions: ViaCrucis
Upvote 0

StephenDiscipleofYHWH

Well-Known Member
Jul 11, 2018
1,483
378
28
Ransom county
✟69,666.00
Country
United States
Faith
Apostolic
Marital Status
Single
Quoting a bunch of scripture without clearly showing how and to whom it specifically pertains is pretty much meaningless.
Some of those ECF you blew off were students of John. Do you think they were also grievous wolves etc?

All irrelevant. I am not impressed with all your copy/pastes from anonymous websites. One can find a website which support almost anything. FYI Strong's has been found to have about 15,000 errors or omissions.
The name
ישׁוע/Yeshua occurs 29 times in the OT , it is transliterated, 29 times, as Ἰησοῦς/Iesous, pronounced Yaysus, in the 225 BC LXX. Joshua occurs 216 times in the OT it is also transliterated Ἰησοῦς/Iesous, pronounced Yaysus, 216 times in the 225 BC LXX,
How did Jesus get in the Bible? You don't know because you have not done any credible research just copy/pasting from websites which support your assumptions/presuppositions.
When Martin Luther translated the Bible into German he transliterated Ἰησοῦς/Iesous, as Jesus which in German is pronounced Yaysus.
All this stuff about "Jesus" is just so much nonsense. Unless my Savior is going to reject His disciples because they didn't use the right name.
In the NT Yeshua is translated 977 times as Ἰησοῦς/Iesous i.e. Yaysus. Jesus did not seem to be offended by being addressed as Ἰησοῦς/Iesous instead of ישׁוע/Yeshua

Jewish Encyclopedia - Names of God
If the explanation of the form above given be the true one, the original pronunciation must have been Yahweh (
V09p161004.jpg
) or Yahaweh (
V09p161005.jpg
). From this the contracted form Jah or Yah (
V09p161006.jpg
) is most readily explained, and also the forms Jeho or Yeho (
V09p161007.jpg
=
V09p161008.jpg
), and Jo or Yo (
V09p161009.jpg
, contracted from
V09p161010.jpg
), which the word assumes in combination in the first part of compound proper names, and Yahu or Yah (
V09p161011.jpg
)
in the second part of such names.
NAMES OF GOD - JewishEncyclopedia.com
If you wish I can address the rest of your post later.
Yes as the Apostles said the grievous wolves were among them even at the time of the Apostles. Anyone who taught contrary to the doctrine of the Apostles and Christ no matter who they studied under would fall under that category. So unless you can prove from scripture alone that what I said is false, then it remains true. We must then Baptize in the one name given by God to man to be saved, Yahshua the Christ. Not the three titles, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Strong's concordance is a perfectly viable resource that gives an accurate understanding of the Greek and Hebrew. The Hebrews believed the name Yahweh was to sacred to be spoken that is why they only said it once a year when the high priest offered the sacrifice for all of Israel. That is why the Jews would be so adamant about calling Yahshua by anything other than his proper name which bears the Sacred name Yah in it. I have shown an accurate understanding of the Hebrew origins of Yahshua's name from both the Strong's concordance and scripture. Can you prove that the Apostles did not Baptize in the one name given? Can you prove that they Baptized in the titles Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? You cannot because scripture tells us that they Baptized in one name in every instance and not in titles. See post #13
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums