Is King James onlyism a heresy?

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Something for Onlyists to consider:

By critically translating the Scriptures into common English, the KJV scholars were acknowledging that the Word of God existed free from all error in the original documents only (autographs).

Quotes from their original preface:

"[There is no] cause therefore why the word translated should be denied to be the word, or forbidden to be current, notwithstanding that some imperfections and blemishes may be noted in the setting forth of it.

"For whatever was perfect under the sun, where Apostles or apostolick men, that is, men endued with an extraordinary measure of God’s Spirit, and privileged with the privilege of infallibility, had not their hand?...

"...we never thought from the beginning that we should need to make a new translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one... but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones one principal good...

"These tongues therefore [Hebrew and Greek] (the Scriptures, we say, in those tongues) we set before us to translate, being the tongues wherein God was pleased to speak to his Church by his Prophets and Apostles.

"There be many words in the Scriptures which be never found there but once... so that we cannot be holpen by conference of places... Now in such a case doth not a margin do well to admonish the Reader to seek further, and not to conclude or dogmatize upon this or that peremptorily? ...so diversity of signification and sense in the margin, where the text is not so clear, must needs do good; yea, is necessary, as we are persuaded."​

The 1611 KJV translators are here saying that:
  • a translation cannot be perfect, that only the original in Hebrew and Greek was infallible (by God's Spirit),
  • that their principal translation had made former translations better,
  • and that such were the demands of translating from Hebrew and Greek that the reader would benefit from marginal notes where the main translation was unclear.

This is not proof against God preserving His Word perfectly for us today. God can use men to accomplish His will despite their beliefs and or desires.
We see this in the story of Jonah.

Psalms 12:6-7 says,
“The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.”

I believe this is a prophetic passage, and this was fulfilled in history.
God purified His Word seven times. This would be the seven different KJB editions. For…

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Something for Onlyists to consider:

By critically translating the Scriptures into common English, the KJV scholars were acknowledging that the Word of God existed free from all error in the original documents only (autographs).

Quotes from their original preface:

"[There is no] cause therefore why the word translated should be denied to be the word, or forbidden to be current, notwithstanding that some imperfections and blemishes may be noted in the setting forth of it.

"For whatever was perfect under the sun, where Apostles or apostolick men, that is, men endued with an extraordinary measure of God’s Spirit, and privileged with the privilege of infallibility, had not their hand?...

"...we never thought from the beginning that we should need to make a new translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one... but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones one principal good...

"These tongues therefore [Hebrew and Greek] (the Scriptures, we say, in those tongues) we set before us to translate, being the tongues wherein God was pleased to speak to his Church by his Prophets and Apostles.

"There be many words in the Scriptures which be never found there but once... so that we cannot be holpen by conference of places... Now in such a case doth not a margin do well to admonish the Reader to seek further, and not to conclude or dogmatize upon this or that peremptorily? ...so diversity of signification and sense in the margin, where the text is not so clear, must needs do good; yea, is necessary, as we are persuaded."​

The 1611 KJV translators are here saying that:
  • a translation cannot be perfect, that only the original in Hebrew and Greek was infallible (by God's Spirit),
  • that their principal translation had made former translations better,
  • and that such were the demands of translating from Hebrew and Greek that the reader would benefit from marginal notes where the main translation was unclear.

But are you not an Onlyist? Do you not believe Only the originals were divinely inspired and perfect? If so, then why would God bother to perfectly inspire the originals to have them lost to the corruptions of men whereby we have to leave it up the minds of fallible men to figure out the rest of what God said? Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me.
 
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I'm sorry, Bible Highlighter, I do not wish to sound rude in any way, but this is absolute nonsense.

Well, from my perspective, I see your belief as absolute nonsense, friend. It goes contrary to the Word of God in what it teaches. You approach the preservation of the Bible from a man centered perspective. Looking only at the men when you don’t see the bigger picture of God working through history to preserve His Word. It’s not nonsense because which Bible is most attacked today? The King James Bible. Why? Is it because of the doctrine? No. Modern Bibles teach false doctrines. They make Jesus appear to sin, and they teach the demi-god Jesus view. They remove the one and only verse on the Trinity. They chop Romans 8:1 in half and they remove the blood on Colossians 1:14. They eliminate the doctrine on fasting to cast out persistent demons. You have tons of many bibles that all contradict each other and several of them keep changing every few years to say things differently. That’s nonsense. But you are free to have such nonsense if you like.
 
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Are we to truly believe that God speaks through Modern Scholars when they create a New NIV that adds thousands of new words and removes thousands of words from one of it’s previous editions? This is confusion. See, there can only be one Word of God. Not many. Proverbs 30:5 teaches that EVERY Word of God is pure. It’s not the general message that is pure. Proverbs 30:6 says that adding to God’s words means one is a liar. So if somebody is adding new words to God’s holy words then they are a liar (Whether they realize that fact or not). We see new words added all the time in Modern bibles. They are basically saying, Thus saith the Lord when the Lord has not spoken. For they are saying that their Modern bible is the Holy Bible when those words are not exactly God’s words. Modern Textual Criticism is confusion. A person needs to believe in a perfect Bible. If not, then who gets to decide which words are true, vs. which words are false? Do you sit in the seat of God to determine what God said? Does the Modern Scholar determine that for you?
 
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Surely to copy Socrates in this instance seems rather drastic.

“all of philosophy is training for death.” - from the Phaedo

"Do not be afraid of death, but prepare for it by living in holiness. If you are ready for death, you will stop being afraid of it. If you love the Lord with all your heart, you will desire death." - Saint Demetrius of Rostov
 
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To all:

Take for example the KJB preface that Anti-KJB Only critics like to bring up as proof that the KJB was not special. Many of them will basically say that the translators did not claim that their work was the very words of God Himself. Granted, I believe the Lord was purifying His Word seven times with the seven KJB editions (with it being settled with the Cambridge KJB 1900 Edition). But the point here is that we know that Saul’s men who were after King David had prophesied. The men of Saul did not desire to prophesy, but God overcame them and accomplished His will in this instance regardless of their desires. God used the evil of Joseph’s brothers for a greater plan for good in the end. God is able to use men despite what they think and do. So the expressed thoughts of the original translators for the KJB preface is not a good argument in that God was not preserving His Word perfectly with the KJB. God can use them despite what they personally thought or believed.
 
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In addition:

A person has to write it off as coincidence that there are “seven MAJOR King James Bible editions,” and that Psalms 12:6-7 talks about how the Lord’s words are purified seven times.

We know that 1611 was a significant point in Bible history. It was the first time that the Bible was being translated so as to be given to the common man and not just the churches or only those who were in higher education. Guy Fawkes who was a Catholic wanted to stop the King James translation with a super bomb. To not peel back the curtain and see the devil at work here is not looking at the bigger picture. Surely the devil does not want the Word of God in people’s hands. We see the King James Bible being taken out of public schools here in America. We see the King James Bible being attacked by a clearly corrupt line of manuscripts and by heretical men (Westcott and Hort) who started the whole Modern Bible translation movement we have today. The King James Bible is stated by Christians today to be a bad translation and it should just no longer be used anymore because it is outdated. We have Christians who spend all their time in trying to find errors in the King James Bible (When in many cases, they can easily be explained). Yet more attacks on God’s Word. Nothing is new under the sun.

Even King James Only believers are falsely accused in being Bible idolaters because they simply believe there is a perfect Bible that God preserved for us today. Most KJB only Christians do not claim to worship or bow down to a book. But they do revere or cherish the words of God because the words are the expressed mind of God. KJB Only believers believe God is a spirit being and He should be worshiped. His words express the kind of faith God wants us to have in Him and His words express God’s will for our lives. However, some Christians today want to re-write the words of God. They no longer want His true and pure words anymore. But if another comes in His name, him they will receive.
 
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Now, the King James Bible is despised by Christians or it holds no power in their life anymore.

What evidence do you have for saying that the KJB is despised by Christians?

Does IT have power in my life? No, I don't use it.
But the Gospel and God's word have power, Romans 1:16, and I read both in the NIV.
 
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Something for Onlyists to consider:

By critically translating the Scriptures into common English, the KJV scholars were acknowledging that the Word of God existed free from all error in the original documents only (autographs).

Quotes from their original preface:

"[There is no] cause therefore why the word translated should be denied to be the word, or forbidden to be current, notwithstanding that some imperfections and blemishes may be noted in the setting forth of it.

"For whatever was perfect under the sun, where Apostles or apostolick men, that is, men endued with an extraordinary measure of God’s Spirit, and privileged with the privilege of infallibility, had not their hand?...

"...we never thought from the beginning that we should need to make a new translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one... but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones one principal good...

"These tongues therefore [Hebrew and Greek] (the Scriptures, we say, in those tongues) we set before us to translate, being the tongues wherein God was pleased to speak to his Church by his Prophets and Apostles.

"There be many words in the Scriptures which be never found there but once... so that we cannot be holpen by conference of places... Now in such a case doth not a margin do well to admonish the Reader to seek further, and not to conclude or dogmatize upon this or that peremptorily? ...so diversity of signification and sense in the margin, where the text is not so clear, must needs do good; yea, is necessary, as we are persuaded."​

The 1611 KJV translators are here saying that:
  • a translation cannot be perfect, that only the original in Hebrew and Greek was infallible (by God's Spirit),
  • that their principal translation had made former translations better,
  • and that such were the demands of translating from Hebrew and Greek that the reader would benefit from marginal notes where the main translation was unclear.
The 1611 translators were not KJVO, and even the "patron saint" of textual criticism for the KJVO, dean Burgeon, agreed that there were hundreds of mistakes in both the TR and the Kjv, both could and should be corrected!
 
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This is not proof against God preserving His Word perfectly for us today. God can use men to accomplish His will despite their beliefs and or desires.
We see this in the story of Jonah.

Psalms 12:6-7 says,
“The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.”

I believe this is a prophetic passage, and this was fulfilled in history.
God purified His Word seven times. This would be the seven different KJB editions. For…

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NO promises in the scriptures were regarding translations, ONLY to the originals as penned down by Prophets and Apostles of God, as NO translation was ever inspired by God!
 
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In addition:

A person has to write it off as coincidence that there are “seven MAJOR King James Bible editions,” and that Psalms 12:6-7 talks about how the Lord’s words are purified seven times.

We know that 1611 was a significant point in Bible history. It was the first time that the Bible was being translated so as to be given to the common man and not just the churches or only those who were in higher education. Guy Fawkes who was a Catholic wanted to stop the King James translation with a super bomb. To not peel back the curtain and see the devil at work here is not looking at the bigger picture. Surely the devil does not want the Word of God in people’s hands. We see the King James Bible being taken out of public schools here in America. We see the King James Bible being attacked by a clearly corrupt line of manuscripts and by heretical men (Westcott and Hort) who started the whole Modern Bible translation movement we have today. The King James Bible is stated by Christians today to be a bad translation and it should just no longer be used anymore because it is outdated. We have Christians who spend all their time in trying to find errors in the King James Bible (When in many cases, they can easily be explained). Yet more attacks on God’s Word. Nothing is new under the sun.

Even King James Only believers are falsely accused in being Bible idolaters because they simply believe there is a perfect Bible that God preserved for us today. Most KJB only Christians do not claim to worship or bow down to a book. But they do revere or cherish the words of God because the words are the expressed mind of God. KJB Only believers believe God is a spirit being and He should be worshiped. His words express the kind of faith God wants us to have in Him and His words express God’s will for our lives. However, some Christians today want to re-write the words of God. They no longer want His true and pure words anymore. But if another comes in His name, him they will receive.
NONE in the history of the Church before the arising of KJVO held to a perfect translation, not Calvin, Bexa, Wesley, Strong, Spurgeon!
 
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What evidence do you have for saying that the KJB is despised by Christians?

Does IT have power in my life? No, I don't use it.
But the Gospel and God's word have power, Romans 1:16, and I read both in the NIV.
The KJVO play this trick where they say that those of us who do not hold to the Kjv being oerfect as "hating and despising it"
 
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NO promises in the scriptures were regarding translations, ONLY to the originals as penned down by Prophets and Apostles of God, as NO translation was ever inspired by God!

So then we should trust only the originals? Two major problems: 1) the originals don't exist, only copies. 2) the earliest texts are written in three languages: ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek.

In addition, when Scripture is quoted in the New Testament it is often from the Septuagint, which is in itself a translation of the Hebrew Old Testament.

There is no proof that "NO translation was ever inspired by God!" Additionally, the excellent translations that we have communicate God's words very effectively.
 
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The KJVO play this trick where they say that those of us who do not hold to the Kjv being oerfect as "hating and despising it"

Because they think in self-justifying absolutes. The KJV is just one of many English translations and because I was born in the 20th Century and live in the 21st Century, I much prefer a translation in current English.

KJVOs stand by their preferred (imperfect) translation because they frequently re-interpret the KJV Englyshe to mean what they interpret it to mean (in modern English!). It's an old trick to communicate "I understand what the Bible really says and you don't". It's ego-inflating nonsense.
 
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The KJVO play this trick where they say that those of us who do not hold to the Kjv being oerfect as "hating and despising it"

It does seem that way. :sigh:
Which means they are not listening, as I have said a number of times that I am delighted for people to read the KJB if that is their preferred translation.
I would have hoped they were delighted that people were reading the Bible at all.
 
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