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The better question we should be asking, is if we love God why would anyone want to break one of His commandments?

1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

Revelations 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Our focus should be on loving God, not doing the least requirement to be saved. Love is our obedience to God, which includes keeping the holy day of the Lord thy God. Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13
 
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So keeping the Saturday sabbath is not a requirement of salvation.
If we are provided scripture then it is best to read and believe it. What does Hebrews 10:26-31 (compare with Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; Matthew 7:21-23; 1 John 2:3-4) say Brian? Is someone in a saved state with God or an unsaved state with God if they choose to reject Gods' Word and continue in a life of known unrepentant sin after God gives them a knowledge of the truth of His Word? Are they the many that are called or the few that are chosen? (see Hebrews 10:26-31).

Take Care dear friend.
 
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Here let me help you with this question Carl. Tell me is someone in a saved state with God or an unsaved state with God if they continue in a life of known unrepentant sin? Are they the many that are called or the few that are chosen? (see Hebrews 10:26-31)

So I must keep the Saturday Sabbath to be saved?
 
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So I must keep the Saturday Sabbath to be saved?
If you do not want to answer the question or read the scriptures shared with you Carl, then of course you do not have to if you do not want to as that is between you and God and I do not judge you. According to Jesus it is the Words of God we accept or reject that then become our judge come judgement day according to Matthew 12:47-48.

Take Care Carl.
 
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If you do not want to answer the question

You answered his question with a question. You're should first answer his question
If we are provided scripture then it is best to read and believe it. What does Hebrews 10:26-31 (compare with Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; Matthew 7:21-23; 1 John 2:3-4) say Brian? Is someone in a saved state with God or an unsaved state with God if they choose to reject Gods' Word and continue in a life of known unrepentant sin after God gives them a knowledge of the truth of His Word? Are they the many that are called or the few that are chosen? (see Hebrews 10:26-31).

Take Care dear friend.

So those who do not keep the Saturday sabbath are not saved, is incorrect.

and

keeping the Saturday sabbath is not a requirement of salvation, is incorrect.
 
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You answered his question with a question. You're should first answer his question


So those who do not keep the Saturday sabbath are not saved, is incorrect.

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keeping the Saturday sabbath is not a requirement of salvation, is incorrect.
No I answered his question and my question that I asked him with scripture. There is a difference. Which was the same question that I asked of you also answered in the same post with scripture that was provided. What is it then in the scriptures shared with you in Hebrews 10:26-31 that you think does not answer your question?
 
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No I answered his question and my question that I asked him with scripture. There is a difference. Which was the same question that I asked of you which scripture was provided.

So those who do not keep the Saturday sabbath are not saved, is correct.

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keeping the Saturday sabbath is not a requirement of salvation, is correct.
 
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So those who do not keep the Saturday sabbath are not saved, is correct.

and

keeping the Saturday sabbath is not a requirement of salvation, is correct.
No. Go pray about it and ask yourself the question; "Is someone in a saved state with God or an unsaved state with God if they choose to reject Gods' Word and continue in a life of known unrepentant sin after God gives them a knowledge of the truth of His Word? Are they the many that are called or the few that are chosen? Here are some scriptures to help you with your study of God's Word *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; Hebrews 10:26-31; 1 John 2:3-4; Matthew 7:21-23; 1 John 3:6-9.

Take Care Brian.
 
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No I answered his question and my question that I asked him with scripture. There is a difference. Which was the same question that I asked of you also answered in the same post with scripture that was provided. What is it then in the scriptures shared with you in Hebrews 10:26-31 that you think does not answer your question?

Does Hebrews 10:26-31 say that those who do not keep the Saturday sabbath are not saved?
 
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Does Hebrews 10:26-31 say that those who do not keep the Saturday sabbath are not saved?
Here you go...

Hebrews 10:26-31 [26], For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, [27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. [28], He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: [29], Of how much sorer punishment, suppose you, shall he be thought worthy, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant, with which he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and has done despite to the Spirit of grace? [30], For we know him that has said, Vengeance belongs to me, I will recompense, said the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. [31], It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

These people continued in known unrepentant sin which is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments (James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20) and not believing Gods' Word (Romans 14:23) after they received a knowledge of the truth of Gods' Word *Hebrews 10:26. For them by continuing in known unrepentant sin there is no forgiveness of sin because they are continuing in unrepentant sin after they have been given a knowledge of the truth of Gods' Word which they choose to reject *Hebrews 10:27. They will be receiving Gods' Judgements which will devour them *Hebrews 10:27; 29 because they counted the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of Gods' grace. They will receive Gods' vengeance and it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God *Hebrews 10:30-31.

Now you tell me are these people in a saved state with God or an unsaved state with God according to Hebrews 10:26-31 after they received a knowledge of the truth of Gods' Word and choose to reject it in order to continue in known unrepentant sin?

Take Care Brian.
 
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Here you go...

Hebrews 10:26-31 [26], For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, [27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. [28], He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: [29], Of how much sorer punishment, suppose you, shall he be thought worthy, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant, with which he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and has done despite to the Spirit of grace? [30], For we know him that has said, Vengeance belongs to me, I will recompense, said the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. [31], It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

These people continued in known unrepentant sin after they received a knowledge of the truth of Gods' Word *Hebrews 10:26. For them by continuing in known unrepentant sin there is no forgiveness of sin because they are continuing in unrepentant sin after they have been given a knowledge of the truth of Gods' Word which they choose to reject *Hebrews 10:27. They will be receiving Gods' Judgements which will devour them *Hebrews 10:27; 29 because they counted the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of Gods' grace. They will receive Gods' vengeance and it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God *Hebrews 10:30-31.

Now you tell me are these people in a saved state with God or an unsaved state with God according to Hebrews 10:26-31 after they received a knowledge of the truth of Gods' Word and choose to reject it in order to continue in known unrepentant sin?

You're answering a question with a question again. Please answer my question first.

Does Hebrews 10 say that those who do not keep the Saturday sabbath are not saved?
 
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You're answering a question with a question again. Please answer my question first.

Does Hebrews 10 say that those who do not keep the Saturday sabbath are not saved?
Not at all. I am answering a question with scripture see post # 110 linked. What do the scriptures say? I can understand why you do not want to discuss them and of course you do not have to if you do not want to that is between you and God. You are free to believe as you wish.
 
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Not at all. I am answering a question with scripture see post # 110 linked. What do the scriptures say?

That's answering a question with a question again.

Do the scriptures you provided say that one must keep the Saturday sabbath to be saved?
 
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Do the scriptures you provided say that one must keep the Saturday sabbath to be saved?
Sin is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments in James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments as shown in Exodus 20:8-11. Sin is also defined in the scriptures as not believing Gods' Word *Romans 14:23.

Now we have defined what sin is let's read Hebrews 10:26-31.

Hebrews 10:26-31 [26], For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, [27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. [28], He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: [29], Of how much sorer punishment, suppose you, shall he be thought worthy, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant, with which he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and has done despite to the Spirit of grace? [30], For we know him that has said, Vengeance belongs to me, I will recompense, said the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. [31], It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Now note from the scriptures above;
  • For them by continuing in known unrepentant sin there is no forgiveness of sin because they are continuing in unrepentant sin after they have been given a knowledge of the truth of Gods' Word which they choose to reject *Hebrews 10:27.
  • They will be receiving Gods' Judgements which will devour them *Hebrews 10:27; 29 because they counted the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of Gods' grace. They will receive Gods' vengeance and it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God *Hebrews 10:30-31.
Now you tell me are these people in a saved state with God or an unsaved state with God according to Hebrews 10:26-31 after they received a knowledge of the truth of Gods' Word and choose to reject it in order to continue in known unrepentant sin?

Take Care.
 
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That's answering a question with a question again. Do the scriptures you provided say that one must keep the Saturday sabbath to be saved?

Let's leave no wiggle room. According to the scriptures, we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. Obedience to God's law is not how we are saved because all of us have already broken the law and are under it's penalty of condemnation and death *Romans 3:9-23; 2 Corinthians 3:3-11. So it is by God's grace through faith that we are saved through Gods forgiveness of our sins. According to the scriptures, obedience to Gods' law is the fruit of genuine faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14 and according to James there is no such thing as faith that does not have the fruit of obedience to Gods' Word. Therefore according to the scriptures, faith without works is simply the dead faith of devils according to James 2:17-26. Gods Word does not teach lawlessness (without law) *1 John 2:3-4.

Take Care Brian
 
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Do the scriptures you provided say that one must keep the Saturday sabbath to be saved?
I guess you can wait until Jesus comes and ask Him that question, or you can believe that the Ten Commandments came in a covenant of Ten according to God Exodus 34:28 personally written by the finger of God. The one commandment you want to isolate from the other nine commandments is the one God said to "Remember" and uses the word "holy" and "blessed" so if you think that is the one, we are free to forget despite God's clear Word, that is a choice you are free to make. Jesus told us this: Matthew 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

You're free to gamble that least means you will be there and does not mean lost, Jesus said these Words, not the SDA church. God wrote the Ten Commandments with His own finger, not the SDA church. God stored the Ten Commandments in the ark of the covenant in Most Holy of His Temple that is also revealed in Heaven. Revelation 11:19

Regardless of people's personal opinions of God's holy Sabbath day, it will continue forever as the Lord's chosen day of worship, just like God promised Exodus 31:16. And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the LORD. Isaiah 66:23

You are free to follow traditions of man over commandments of God. Jesus tells us which choice we should make. Matthew 15:3-9
 
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Now you tell me are these people in a saved state with say that one must keep the Saturday sabbath to be saved? or an unsaved state with God according to Hebrews 10:26-31 after they received a knowledge of the truth of Gods' Word and choose to reject it in order to continue in known unrepentant sin?

You're still answering a question with a question. Please answer my question first which is; you tell me, does the scripture you provided say that one must keep the Saturday sabbath to be saved?
 
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You're still answering a question with a question. Please answer my question first which is; you tell me, does the scripture you provided say that one must keep the Saturday sabbath to be saved?
Arr avoiding the posts and scriptures provided now Brian in post 114 linked and post # 115 linked? If that is the case I will leave it between you and God. Perhaps you can pray about it. Time for me to get some rest now as it is late my time

Take Care Brian :sleep:
 
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Looking at the text, it is not entirely clear whether the seventh day refers to the seventh day of the week or John's fast. I don't think any conclusion one way or the other is warranted. However, if I absolutely had to go one way or the other, I would guess that it means the seventh day of John's fast. In the early Christian texts I have seen--though I admit I am far from an expert on them--when referring to Saturday, saying "the seventh day" seems very rare outside of when referring to the creation narrative. Normally "Sabbath" is used to refer to Saturday, and when you see "seventh day" (outside of statements regarding the creation narrative) it refers to the seventh day of some other time period. To say "seventh day" without adding "of the week" for specification would therefore be, at least from what I have seen, unusual.

But with what we have, I don't think we can say one way or the other for sure.
I agree that the seventh day better fits the seventh day of the fast, not the Sabbath (Saturday). Looking into it more, I found that the other historical references we have of the Lord's Day place it on Sunday, the day after the Sabbath (Saturday):

Lord's Day - Wikipedia

Instead of saying that the Acts of John (Apocryphal) contradicts the other historical references, it makes sense to say that they all agree, and "the seventh day" simply means day 7 of the fast, and even more so if considering your point that the Sabbath (Saturday) isn't typically called "the seventh day."

What is the other thread you are referring to? It would be useful to have context for this topic.
Oh, sure thing! It can be found here:

The Sabbath: Universal law or Mosaic shadow?
 
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