The acceptance of hypocrisy

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Wow. That’s some major self-righteousness there.
This is a good way to makes friends. You are just another representative of grace to all and love to all crowd. And yet you can't even be kind to Christians who hold a different view to yours. That's your problem not mine.

As far as righteousness goes I don't claim that about myself you perceived that. All my righteousness will come from Christ alone, not mine. However, I am bound to obedience as all Gods people have been. If you are not a child a of God (Hebrews 12:8) you are a bastard. Why would God discipline his people if he didn't care about sin? And how do you know your are one of Gods people if you are not walking in sanctification?


You really think you repent for every sin? You’re not even aware of your own sin of pride in claiming you don’t practice sin.


You have been making a lot of assumptions. What is ''practicing sin'' to you? It sounds like you want all people to be doing it regardless of peoples level of piety.
 
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No problem; I'm with you. It is a journey. Where does it start, sinlessness? What sins should one never do to start? What sins negate one's start?

I would say it starts when an unsaved person repents of their unbelief and begins to be sanctified. And to do that you need to accept Christ as lord and saviour. And to do that you need to believe your sin will justify your punishment at Gods judgement day. Unrepentant sinners do not not have this. They do not have this changed heart. Unfortunately.

And I do not believe sinlessness is possible. I believe the fall from the grace of God has broken the human kind and only grace can cause us to have faith and build us back together again from the damage caused by the fall.
 
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Yes - pretty serious:

And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: G5273 there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Mat 24:51
It is interesting that creating situations where one group is given preferential treatment or all except one not given regular treatment results in weeping and gnashing of teeth all on it's own.
 
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You are assuming that a scholar can not be devotional and loving...
Not at all, the fruit speaks, and thus the present question. Feel free to present theological research in General Theology.
 
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Jesus did not turn anyone away from listening.
Yes, he only turned away pharisees once they tried to justify themselves or take over with questions.
 
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I am a divorced person - my wife left me for my best friend.

I had no part in the separation.

After 10 years of singleness God miraculously led me to marry again.

37 years and 5 children later I don't have a shadow of a doubt that God orchestrated the marriage.

The OP presents a biblical view of re-marriage that is far too narrow.

I have offered to present a serious study on this issue and been waved aside.

For this reason, I believe the initial hypothesis presented is seriously flawed.

Totally the wrong choice of issues to introduce a discussion on hypocrisy.

Frankly very offensive.
The narrow view of divorce matches the narrow view of LGBT issues, it is presenting using consistency.

It is narrow on purpose so as to spur on discussion and left room for people to add their own narrative as has happened.

From the perspective of people who are divorced, it is not their fault. And in the perception of people who are attracted to the same sex, it's the way their hormones have behaved since they were young. Thus they also say not their fault.

It is the same thing, so treating it different is wrong.

Whatever treatment is deemed "correct" is up to each church, denomination, and tradition to figure out for themselves. However, it is important to note that hypocrisy is a real deal breaker, it destroyed the religious order that opposed Jesus. Should I just stand by and let people destroy themselves?
 
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And in the perception of people who are attracted to the same sex, it's the way their hormones have behaved since they were young. Thus they also say not their fault.It is the same thing, so treating it different is wrong.Whatever treatment is deemed "correct" is up to each church, denomination, and tradition to figure out for themselves. However, it is important to note that hypocrisy is a real deal breaker, it destroyed the religious order that opposed Jesus. Should I just stand by and let people destroy themselves?

What would Jesus do? Try and fix people? Did he point out the REAL sinners in a crowd? -

Galatians 6:10
So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to those who are of the household of faith.
 
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What would Jesus do? Try and fix people? Did he point out the REAL sinners in a crowd? -

Galatians 6:10
So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to those who are of the household of faith.

He showed them compassion. He told them the way. But it’s an individual thing for outreaches. To screen out those who have no interest in godly living. At the soup kitchen the hear the word and then they can come to church if they want. Other people street witness and go out into the highways and byways saying come to church to hear the Word.

we can all do as you want @Michael Collum. But to say all gays come to church and reap a harvest of good things….. they are just not coming! And to say every sexually immoral person should come…. It’s just not happening because of our theology.
Gays are welcome if they want a new life and aren’t hustling lovers. Outreaches are happening to steer kids right. Homosexuality is still not the way to go.
 
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we can all do as you want @Michael Collum. But to say all gays come to church and reap a harvest of good things….. they are just not coming! And to say every sexually immoral person should come…. It’s just not happening because of our theology.
Gays are welcome if they want a new life and aren’t hustling lovers. Outreaches are happening to steer kids right. Homosexuality is still not the way to go.
maybe they just aren't coming because of views like the ones you are expressing here
 
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Homosexuals are self proclaimed trying to indoctrinate our children and our weak and confused in the issue. We must protect them from the fate of hell which they seem to ignore. Sin in the church ? It’s been corrected we know what to do. The lbtg community doesn’t have time to change the world which is being polarized to this issue. Christians are persecuted everywhere for their beliefs by reasoning souls. But scripture remains clear. Homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord. One must repent and lead a holy life to be in the church.

But we allow them to hear a service but they don’t stay because of the hard line. I treat everybody well with love even. I give them the gospel the gs and ls. They are the most resistant people we get. I think it’s great they want Jesus. But it wolves in sheep’s clothing.
you say you treat everyone with love, but you start this post with a hateful lie
 
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What would Jesus do? Try and fix people? Did he point out the REAL sinners in a crowd? -

Galatians 6:10
So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to those who are of the household of faith.
Jesus' message was actually more difficult than what the Pharisees and teachers of the law were teaching.

However, the way He related it resulted in a large following from all of the people cast out by the pharisees and teachers of the law.

It may relate to not seeing people as "a sin" but people as people. Jesus did say, people only come to a doctor when they are sick. People who came to Jesus of their on volition, the same isn't always true about the current order, though covid relaxed that a bit.
 
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Not at all...

Two very different issues with very different reasons.
I think this perception is what leads to the hypocritical treatment. Jesus teaches to treat others as you would like to be treated.

How do you feel when you're being cornered, ostracized, your place in society being threatened? How would you like to be treated?

Whatever your answer to that question is, treat others also, without favoritism as is taught by the law of liberty.
 
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we can all do as you want @Michael Collum. But to say all gays come to church and reap a harvest of good things….. they are just not coming! And to say every sexually immoral person should come…. It’s just not happening because of our theology.
Since Jesus taught more difficult doctrines than the established religion of the day, and those cast out by that order followed Jesus around - I get the sense the history behind how the church treated homosexuals in previous decades (going back to the 1950's and 60's) is flavoring responses right now.

However, if the church can be consistent and not reactionary, things will at least even out over time.

It has more to do with attitude and consistency of effort than the doctrine right now.

However, if the church continues to consistently try to get politicians to pass laws that oppress or restrict parts of the population, of course people will continue to respond the same way.
 
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I think this perception is what leads to the hypocritical treatment. Jesus teaches to treat others as you would like to be treated.

How do you feel when you're being cornered, ostracized, your place in society being threatened? How would you like to be treated?

Whatever your answer to that question is, treat others also, without favoritism as is taught by the law of liberty.

I can imagine the Pharisees mounting that argument after He rebuked them...

That is exactly how they felt...

Faithful are the wounds of a friend. Prov 27:6
 
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I can imagine the Pharisees mounting that argument after He rebuked them...

That is exactly how they felt...

Faithful are the wounds of a friend. Prov 27:6
Negating the new testament teachings and quoting old testament. Noted.
 
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Jesus rebuked the Pharisees in the NT and the bible as a whole is God's word.
The pharisees were the established religious group at the time, being part of the established religious group of this time, are you seeking rebuke?

.. trying to understand your post.
 
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The pharisees were the established religious group at the time, being part of the established religious group of this time, are you seeking rebuke?

.. trying to understand your post.

Trying to understand your post...
 
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You think you have Jesus point of view, you don’t know Jesus.
The pharisees were the established religious group at the time, being part of the established religious group of this time, are you seeking rebuke?

.. trying to understand your post.

I know of a huge non denomination that expanding their youth ministry to take care of this very group of people. They want to bring these into the church and lead these poor afflicted people in the way they should go because we don’t want to see them go to hell. This group wants to lift the blindness from their eyes using scripture , love and guidance.
 
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