Don't blame all conservatives

JustOneWay · Jan 21, 2022

Akita Suggagaki said:
That is where I am confused since you say, "I find it difficult not tossing some responsibility at those who remain willfully ignorant and don't have the time or energy to critically examine the crazy conspiracies aimed at them. They are not innocent."

In this case it would be you who does not have the time or energy to critically examine the crazy conspiracy aimed at you. By your words then it would be you who is not innocent. Where am I misunderstanding you?

Yes. You've misunderstood the entire sentence. None of that is about me (except the I), and the syntax is correct. The word you need to center on is AND. You misunderstood AND miss the point. Actually both parts of that sentence could be considered redundant. Just 'willfully ignorant' would have sufficed.

SkyWriting · Jan 21, 2022

JacksBratt said:
Well, Biden sure used it in his platform against Trump.

So don't marry the guy.

renniks · Jan 21, 2022

The Barbarian said:
School board members across the country are being threatened

All over the country, local school board members, who are typically volunteers or serve for small stipends, have indeed been placed on the front line of a national culture war. Protestors are mobilizing against masks, vaccines, LGBTQ rights, removing police from schools, and diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives. In early October, U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland directed the FBI to meet with state and local authorities to create "strategies for addressing threats against school administrators, board members, teachers, and staff."
What it's like to be on the front lines of the school board culture war

Oath Keepers Cached Weapons for Jan. 6 Capitol Attack, Prosecutors Say
Cartloads of arms and ammunition were at the ready at a Virginia hotel, according to an indictment against members of the far-right militia group
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A church in Charleston. A concert in Las Vegas. A synagogue in Pittsburgh. While much about these attacks differed, they had one common characteristic: they were terrorist acts perpetrated against Americans by white nationalists driven to extremism.
The Rise of Violent White Nationalism in the US - The Aspen Institute

WASHINGTON -- A new federal intelligence report warns that adherents of QAnon, the conspiracy theory embraced by some in the mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol, could target Democrats and other political opponents for more violence as the movement's false prophecies increasingly fail to come true.
New U.S. intelligence report points to heightened threat of QAnon violence

Apparently not.

Very scanty evidence. Up against tons of riots from the left. Most of these people are just talk.

renniks · Jan 21, 2022

RDKirk said:
Notice that God never, ever did that by revolution.

That's exactly how he did it with his people. The exodus wasn't a revolution?

The Barbarian · Jan 21, 2022

JacksBratt said:
He's keeping a low profile... yes.. But the media keep dragging him out and trying to plaster dirt on him.

Attorneys-General are not the media. Thought you knew. Not a good time to be a crooked ex-president. Even his judicial appointees are helping to pull him down.

JacksBratt said:
I think his year is golden compared to Biden, Harris, Fauci... the list goes on.

I notice that none of those folks even have one criminal investigation focused on them. Hard to keep up with the number on Trump.

And I notice that Biden currently has the second-lowest approval rating for this time in office. Guess who is lowest? Yep...

"Never trust a former president who wears Jim Bakker’s haircut and Tammy Faye’s makeup."

JacksBratt said:
Nice.

It's not mine. But it's funny because it's all true.

The Barbarian · Jan 21, 2022

renniks said:
Very scanty evidence.

Well, we're going to see how much of it is out there...

(CNN)The FBI is working to assess the number of threats made against school board members and teachers, using a tracking tool that it says will help implement a directive from Attorney General Merrick Garland that has come under criticism from Republicans.

An internal memo to the FBI's counterterrorism and criminal investigators says the bureau is using a "threat tag" system that will help gauge how much of a problem the threats pose around the country.
The FBI memo, released by Republican critics, was a follow up to Garland's October memo that directed federal officials to team up with local law enforcement to come up with a game plan on how to handle threats made against members of school boards and educators.
FBI gauges threats against educators and school board members - CNNPolitics

If Black Lives Matter supporters and doctors threatened violence against school board members and teachers to demand the teaching of critical race theory or to demand mandatory vaccinations and masking against COVID-19, Republicans and the right-wing media would be outraged.

Yet the right-wing went into hysterics when Attorney General Merrick Garland issued a memo Monday directing the FBI to work with U.S. attorneys, and state and local government and law enforcement, to address “a disturbing spike in harassment, intimidation, and threats of violence against school administrators, board members, teachers, and staff.”

Predictably, the far right went crazy over any attempt to assess the number of such threats:

Fox News commentator Tucker Carlson was one of many on the right blasting Garland. Carlson called the attorney general “a wild-eyed, radical crazy person” and characterized the memo as “calling on the FBI to crack down on parents who complain about their school board. … It is now criminal to disagree with your kid’s school.”
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But threatening assault and even murder isn’t protected by the First Amendment, nor is disorderly conduct disrupting school board meetings. Yet the school boards association letter states that threatening and disruptive incidents have taken place against school boards in Alabama, California, Florida, Georgia, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Texas, Washington state, Wisconsin, and Wyoming.
Threats against school boards over masks and critical race theory threaten our way of life

Those who are merely criticizing public officials are protected by the First Amendment. Those screaming "We will find you!" and "Watch your back!" need to be identified and charged whenever their conduct crosses the line into criminal behavior. These are vicious people and they won't hesitate to go after the children of the people they hate:

School-based speech-language pathologist Jennifer Jenkins decided to run for a seat on the Brevard County (Florida) school board to fight for fair teacher compensation and more services for underrepresented students and those with disabilities. And she won, unseating her incumbent opponent.

But Jenkins hasn’t been able to work toward her goals during her first year on the board. After Jenkins was sworn in, her former opponent for the seat began organizing protests aimed directly at the SLP. The protests are aimed at anything Jenkins says or votes for/against even if the rest of the school board agrees. For example, they voted 4 to 1 in favor of mask mandates when hundreds of students were getting COVID-19 early in the school year, but only Jenkins was threatened.

Those protests escalated to harassment: protesters followed Jenkins to her home, recorded her private conversations with other board members without consent, threatened her husband and daughter, and coughed in her face while saying they were going to give her COVID. They have even falsely accused her of abusing her daughter—accusations that were investigated by child protective services and determined to be totally unfounded. That investigation included a traumatic, full-body examination of the 5-year-old.
SLP School Board Member in Florida Faces Harassment, False Accusations

These are the scum that Garland is targeting, not parents who merely criticize elected school board members.

Akita Suggagaki · Jan 21, 2022

JustOneWay said:
Yes. You've misunderstood the entire sentence. None of that is about me (except the I), and the syntax is correct. The word you need to center on is AND. You misunderstood AND miss the point. Actually both parts of that sentence could be considered redundant. Just 'willfully ignorant' would have sufficed.

I appreciate your patience with me.

SkyWriting · Jan 21, 2022

JacksBratt said:
Well, Biden sure used it in his platform agianst Trump.

Not a valid excuse. Think better.

The Barbarian · Jan 21, 2022

Apparently, it's not just school boards. Far right cionspiracy theorists are threatening election officials. One just arrested in Texas. It's bigger and more widespread than we thought. And now, it appears to be coordinated.

RDKirk · Jan 21, 2022

renniks said:
That's exactly how he did it with his people. The exodus wasn't a revolution?

No, the exodus was a departure from Egypt, not a revolution. The Pharoah's dynasty remained intact in Egypt.

Scripture gives us one example of a revolution: The revolt of the northern kingdoms against King Rehoboam. Even though Rehoboam was a bad king, that revolution resulted in the total dissolution of the northern kingdoms after a string of increasingly bad, increasingly apostate kings.

Scripture is consistently opposed to revolutions. The spirit of rebellion is not compatible with the Christian life.

renniks · Jan 22, 2022

RDKirk said:
No, the exodus was a departure from Egypt, not a revolution. The Pharoah's dynasty remained intact in Egypt.

Scripture gives us one example of a revolution: The revolt of the northern kingdoms against King Rehoboam. Even though Rehoboam was a bad king, that revolution resulted in the total dissolution of the northern kingdoms after a string of increasingly bad, increasingly apostate kings.

Scripture is consistently opposed to revolutions. The spirit of rebellion is not compatible with the Christian life.

Rebellion against tyranny is very consistent with Christianity.

RDKirk · Jan 22, 2022

renniks said:
Rebellion against tyranny is very consistent with Christianity.

Overthrowing an earthly king from his earthly throne?

Nope. Nothing scriptural about it.

renniks · Jan 22, 2022

RDKirk said:
Overthrowing an earthly king from his earthly throne?

Nope. Nothing scriptural about it.

It's what God's people did over and over again. Maybe you should read the OT sometime. They overthrew earthly rulers because they were evil.

JustOneWay · Jan 22, 2022

renniks said:
It's what God's people did over and over again. Maybe you should read the OT sometime. They overthrew earthly rulers because they were evil.

What God's people did and what God tells his people to do are not always the same.

renniks · Jan 22, 2022

JustOneWay said:
What God's people did and what God tells his people to do are not always the same.

God told them to invade and overthrow evil kingdoms.

"You must lead these people in the conquest of this land that I solemnly promised their ancestors I would hand over to them."

All that land was occupied. ,

RDKirk · Jan 22, 2022

renniks said:
God told them to invade and overthrow evil kingdoms.

"You must lead these people in the conquest of this land that I solemnly promised their ancestors I would hand over to them."

All that land was occupied. ,

Now you're trying to conflate an internal revolution--which is what we're talking about with regard to the subject of this thread--with occupying a foreign land.

God told the Hebrews to occupy a very specifically defined area of land. That was certainly not license for Christians around the world to begin deposing earthly kings, and as I've shown, they were not permitted to go further outward or to depose any of their own kings. Nor did it always have anything to do with those people being evil. The Gibeonites were not evil, they were just in the wrong place.

Followers of Christ in the New Testament have very explicit instructions--multiple witnesses in scripture--to work within human governments and to obey their authority.

renniks · Jan 22, 2022

RDKirk said:
Now you're trying to conflate an internal revolution--which is what we're talking about with regard to the subject of this thread--with occupying a foreign land.

God told the Hebrews to occupy a very specifically defined area of land. That was certainly not license for Christians around the world to begin deposing earthly kings, and as I've shown, they were not permitted to go further outward or to depose any of their own kings. Nor did it always have anything to do with those people being evil. The Gibeonites were not evil, they were just in the wrong place.

Followers of Christ in the New Testament have very explicit instructions--multiple witnesses in scripture--to work within human governments and to obey their authority.

So let me try to understand. You don't believe there's any circumstances where overthrowing a government is justified?
Like maybe because they were murdering the Jewish people in gas furnaces?

RDKirk · Jan 22, 2022

renniks said:
So let me try to understand. You don't believe there's any circumstances where overthrowing a government is justified?
Like maybe because they were murdering the Jewish people in gas furnaces?

Really pushing hard to get that goalpost moved, aren't you? Even decided to go Godwin.

renniks · Jan 22, 2022

RDKirk said:
Really pushing hard to get that goalpost moved, aren't you? Even decided to go Godwin.

So yes or no?

The Barbarian · Jan 22, 2022

renniks said:
So yes or no?

Godwin's Law:
"Any internet argument that lasts long enough will have someone compare his opponent to Nazis. At that point the opponent officially wins."

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