My chart for anyone interested

Douggg said:

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Are you trying to predict the Lords return?

I generally agree with your sequence, Douggg
What you have omitted is how the new One World government will come about. Why will the nations relinquish their sovereignty?

You also have the Jews playing a major role, whereas many Bible prophesies say they will not be around as a nation then. They, the remnant of survivors, will join with their Christian brethren. Ezekiel 37, Jeremiah 50:4-5, Isaiah 6:11-13, Romans 9:27

Here is a sequence that covers all the prophesied events:

Soon to happen: The great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, a CME sunstrike. Isaiah 30:26-28 & 30, Malachi 4:1 & 3 It will be the Sixth seal event of cosmic and worldwide effects and the Middle East will be virtually depopulated, cleared and cleansed, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18 It will be the fulfilment of Psalms 83, Isaiah 2:12-21, 2 Peter 3:7 and Revelation 6:12-17 A small Messianic Jewish remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Isaiah 6:11-13 Many will die around the world: Isaiah 51:6, Jeremiah 9:22, but most will survive and eventually re-establish the infrastructure.

The Seventh seal is ‘about’ a 20 year time gap until the Return of Jesus.

In a short while: Isaiah 29:17, all the holy Land will be regenerated and the Lord’s people, Christian Israelites, be they true descendants of Jacob or grafted in, all born again believers; will gather in the new country of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5, Isaiah 35:1-10 They will live in peace and prosperity and 144,000 missionaries are selected from them, to go out to all peoples and proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Revelation 7 & 14, Isaiah 66:19

The rest of the nations will form a One World Government, led by ten Presidents. Daniel 7:24, Revelation 17:12 Before long, three will be taken over and the other seven will confer their power onto another strong leader. Daniel 11:21, Revelation 13:1-8

After a few years: a Northern confederation, led by a person referred to as Gog, will be motivated to attack Beulah – an unprotected nation, with great wealth. Gog and his horde will be totally wiped out and it will take seven years to bury them and clean the land. Ezekiel 38 & 39, Joel 2:20

Sometime later, the strong leader of the World Government, will make a seven year treaty with Beulah. This marks the commencement of the seventieth ‘week’ [seven years] of Daniel. There is a 3½ year period of calm and peace in the world. Daniel 9:27

After that: the world dictator comes to Jerusalem in force and declares himself to be god in the new Temple. This starts the Great Tribulation, the Trumpet and Bowl judgements. The ‘Woman’- Christian Israelites who refused to violate the Covenant, Daniel 11:32, are taken to a place of safety for 1260 days. Zechariah 14:2, Revelation 12:14

Then comes the Glorious Return of Jesus: The battle of Armageddon, Jesus destroys the army of the Anti-Christ by the Sword of His Word and chains up Satan.

The regathering of Christian Israel, all those who have kept faithful. Matthew 24:30-31, 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

The 1000 year Millennium reign of King Jesus and His resurrected saints.



The final attack against the holy Land and the armies are instantly cremated. Satan is cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 16:13-16, Revelation 19:17-21

The Great White Throne judgement, and a New Heaven and a New Earth. Daniel 7:9-10, Revelation chapter 21

|The 7 years of Daniel |

The Treaty signed, peace for 3½ years. | 1260 days |

The Abomination of Desolation placed in the 3rd Temple |

The Great Tribulation, two witnesses, Woman protected. |1260 days |

The Day of Tabernacles, the Return of Jesus |
The battle of Armageddon. |

The Marriage supper of the Lamb - 1290 days | 1260 + 30 |

The festival of Lights- Hanukkah – 1335 days | 1260 + 75 |

The Millennium reign of Jesus. | 1000 years
[I can't get these events to stay correctly in place when I post it]

Douggg said:

But if you start at the top and following down through, the chart tracks the 70th week of Daniel 9, from right before it begins, to its beginning when the person is perceived to be the Jews' messiah, for a short time, until he betrays them and becomes the beast.... and the image made of him and placed in the temple.

Which that start the great tribulation. Which we have enough information in the bible in terms of the time frames and actions to know the remainder.

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Ignore Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18, which reveal that the Gospel was taken "first" to Israel for a period of about 7 years before Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles, and then maybe you can pretend that the 70th week of Daniel did not happen during the first century.

The following video is for those here who want to know the truth about the "covenant with the many" in Daniel 9:27.
The scriptural reference beside of Daniel 9:27 in my NKJV Bible is Matthew 26:28.

Daniel Chapter 9: Dr. Kelly Varner

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So Douggg, you have yet to explain how the 10 kings obtain their power and then soon give it to one man.
Don't give us the EU theory, that went down the drain 30 years ago. Daniel 7:23 is clear; this forthcoming Government will be a worldwide one.
I reject your diagram, it squashes in the extra days of Daniel 12- the 1290 and the 1335, = +30 and +75, before the Return, whereas they fit nicely after Jesus Returns, for the Day of Atonement and then Hanukkah.

Show us where you think #5 is wrong; using scriptural proof. Note; there is no 'rapture' for anyone at any time.

Hello Keras

keras said:

The rest of the nations will form a One World Government, led by ten Presidents. Daniel 7:24, Revelation 17:12 Before long, three will be taken over and the other seven will confer their power onto another strong leader. Daniel 11:21, Revelation 13:1-8

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So lets look at Daniel 7 first.............. is there a one world Government.

[23]"Thus he said: `As for the fourth beast, there shall be a fourth kingdom on earth, which shall be different from all the kingdoms, and it shall devour the whole earth, and trample it down, and break it to pieces. [24] As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings shall arise, and another shall arise after them; he shall be different from the former ones, and shall put down three kings.

I do not see a one world Government here...I see The Fourth Kingdom ie Rome we all know it never ruled the whole Earth. The ten Kingdoms that come out of it Therefore by default never rule the whole earth.

Ok So Rv:17

[9] This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; [10] they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he comes he must remain only a little while. [11] As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to perdition. [12] And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received royal power, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast. [13] These are of one mind and give over their power and authority to the beast;

Once again not a single thing about a one world Government.

Now this is the part that just boggles the mind it is sooooooooo obviously in error. It is stated in the quote above that 10 Kings form the initial one world Government but before long three are over thrown and the seven give over to a strong man. But that is clearly not what the text says. First it says they are not yet kings and are only kings long enough to sign over their kingdoms to the Beast ie a one hour ceremony. It says they are of one mind ...no three over thrown nothing of the sort. I made it big and red for all to easily see.

Now on to Daniel 11:

The King of the North and the King of the South that are fighting with each other from start to end in this chapter...........the whole thing according to the paragraph quoted above is this is a one world government that starts in verse 21 However this whole part of Daniel 11 ends in verse 28 with yet another unsuccessful attack on the King of the South and not only are there clearly TWO kingdoms here there is yet a THIRD KINGDOM that has this "supposed" One world leader quaking in his boots.

[28] And he shall return to his land with great substance, but his heart shall be set against the holy covenant. And he shall work his will, and return to his own land. [29]"At the time appointed he shall return and come into the south; but it shall not be this time as it was before.[30] For ships of Kittim shall come against him, and he shall be afraid and withdraw, and shall turn back and be enraged and take action against the holy covenant. He shall turn back and give heed to those who forsake the holy covenant.

Ok so lets look at Rv 13:

[7] Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and tongue and nation,

Ah finally Authority over every tribe people and Tongue and Nation. This is clearly a future single entity that has authority but does not control the whole world. We know it is future because nothing has ever achieved rule over the four listed qualifiers. We know it only has Authority because Daniel 11 is very clear there are three different players at the very End.
The King of the North The King of the South who gets defeated by the King of the North and the Kings of the East.

So there is never ............ever.........................a one world Government. There are clear attempts to form one, but it actually never happens. In Fact Jesus shows up to DESTROY ALL THE ARMIES OF THE WORLD just as they are getting ready to fight on the plains of Megiddo.

The sixth angel poured his bowl on the great river Euphra'tes, and its water was dried up, to prepare the way for the kings from the east. .................................... to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty. [15] ("Lo, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is he who is awake, keeping his garments that he may not go naked and be seen exposed!") [16] And they assembled them at the place which is called in Hebrew Armaged'don.

Adds new meaning to this

9] If any one has an ear, let him hear: [10] If any one is to be taken captive, to captivity he goes; if any one slays with the sword, with the sword must he be slain. Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints.

I think the glaring errors in this understanding are clear for all to see.

Just The Facts said:

Hello Keras

Ok So Rv:17
[12] And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received royal power, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast. [13] These are of one mind and give over their power and authority to the beast;
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I can visualize the 2 divided Kingdoms
The Northern Kingdom of Israel/Gentiles as the beast of the Sea
and the Southern Kingdom of Judah as the beast of the Land.
And could be representing the King of North and King of South in Daniel 11?

Jerusalem sat in the midst of Judea/Judah.......Just throwing that out there [since I view 1st Jerusalem being that great City in Revelation]

The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19
15 And He is saying to me "These the Waters which thou saw, where the harlot is sitting, are peoples and multitudes<3793> are being, and nations and tongues.
16 And the ten Horns which thou saw and the Beast, These shall be hating the harlot,
and They shall be making Her desolate<2049> and naked,
and the fleshes of Her they shall be eating
and shall be burning Her in fire.
17 For the GOD gives into Their hearts to do<4160> the mind<1106> of Him, and to do One mind

Revelation 18
7 ‘As much as She glorifies Herself and indulges so much,
be giving to Her torment<929> and sorrow<3997>.
That in her heart She is saying:
'I am sitting a Queen,
and a Widow not I am being,
and sorrow not no I shall seeing.'
8 Thru this in one day shall be arriving<2240> Her blows,
death and sorrow and famine.
And in fire She shall be utterly burned<2618>,
that strong Lord the GOD, the One judging Her.

Just The Facts said:

Once again not a single thing about a one world Government.

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Revelation 13:7-9 says plainly that the 'beast', then shown to be the Anti-Christ, will have control of all the world, including the holy people of God; all the Christians, then living in all of the holy Land.

Your denial of a One World Government, conflicts with what has been promoted for over 100 years by the powers behind the nations, but has not yet happened because the nations refuse to give up their sovereignty.
From the Bible in over 100 prophecies, we know there is coming a terrible Day of fire from the sun, causing earthquakes, storms and huge tsunamis. This worldwide disaster will make the survivors establish a One World Government, initially made up of ten regions, each with a ruling President.
Near the end of this age, the Anti-Christ; then the dictator of the OWG, will gather armies from all over the world to fight against Jesus. Rev 16:14
We know the result; Revelation 19:17-21

keras said:

Your denial of a One World Government, conflicts with what has been promoted for over 100 years by the powers behind the nations, but has not yet happened because the nations refuse to give up their sovereignty.

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Below former CBS newsman Walter Cronkite speaks at a meeting of the World Federalist Association, which is dedicated to the goal of world government.

Near the end the woman who almost became president congratulates Cronkite.


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Douggg said:

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I don't agree with a lot of this chart, but I'm sympathetic to a few ideas - in particular the idea of the roles that the man of sin/ son of perdition plays.

I've given the example before of say, Trump getting a mortal head wound & then resurrecting. As the 45th president, you would then say that the 'resurrected' Trump becomes the 46th president: this idea doesn't appeal to me.

I agree with your position that the Revelation 17 'was, is not, & yet is' is a reference to Jesus in Revelation 1:4. But again, saying that the 7th head becomes the 8th head just doesn't make sense/ [was = 7th head, is = 8th head].

But.... if Trump was the 45th president (or any leader like Macron, Prince Charles, etc), then resurrects, and then becomes king of the Holy Roman Empire,... then I can see why there are different #'s associated with them. The 7th king is ruler of a different kingdom than the 8th king (although they would be the same person).

In your example above, the 7th head would be the Roman empire ruler, & the 8th would be the Holy Roman empire ruler which would be world wide, or at least greatly expanded.

I'm still in the phase of throwing stuff against the wall and seeing what sticks here, but it could be the case that this is referred to in Revelation as:

Death is given dominion (Revelation 6:8)

At the start of the Day of the Lord (6th Seal & Trumpets 1-5), Death becomes Destroyer/ Apollyon (ie Death is revealed to be an idolater, 2 Thessalonians 2's 'that Day will not come until the man of sin is revealed')

The known idolater then makes the 7 year covenant at the start of the 2 witnesses 1260 days (2nd woe).

Then is the 'beast from the sea' at the 3rd woe/ 7th Trumpet.

Anyway, just kicking some ideas around.

Douggg said:

The diagram of events has everything fitting within the 7 year 70th week. The time line can go together only one way - for the events to fit.

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As I have shown the extra 30 and 75 days that Daniel 12 mentions, are past the Return of Jesus; which will be on the 1260th day after the AoD.
Trying to squeeze them in before the Return is error

Douggg said:

What is #5 ?

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My post on this thread, the 5th post.
Of course I don't expect a viable or scripturally supported rebuttal from you. Your beliefs have confused you and only as things take place, will you and most other people. finally understand the truths of God's plans for our future.