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At least the Taliban can use those tents and sleeping bags to further oppress the Afghan people. No wonder Afghans want to leave.
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At least the Taliban can use those tents and sleeping bags to further oppress the Afghan people. No wonder Afghans want to leave.
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Coup definition: a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.
Does this mean Trump supporters are now in power?
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Hi @Aldebaran
Well, let's keep in mind that this is a middle eastern nation. None of which are particularly high on the 'let's give our people the freedoms that more democratic nations offer'. It's Afghanistan!! Your comment makes one believe that you think the whole world ought to just be the United States of the World.
I'm curious what your position is on why Mexicans want to leave Mexico and Columbians want to leave Columbia and Syrians want to leave Syria, etc, etc. There are dozens of nations where the people, when compared to the U.S., are reasonably persecuted and/or don't enjoy the goodness of greed that the U.S. enjoys.
God bless,
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Just because they failed doesn’t make it less violent. The punishment should be same! Death penalty.
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Goodness of greed? Is that what you think people from other countries are coming here for? Because you think they're greedy?
Then tell me, why are there so many Americans leaving America? https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...66038c-f840-11ea-89e3-4b9efa36dc64_story.html
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You want to ignore 200 years of oppressive treatment of fellow Americans just because of their skin color , and pretend nothing to see here. Our American past is so horrible that you can’t even admit what was done in the past.
Well I am not like you, I have no problem owning the past regardless how horrible it was , so I don’t make same mistake in future.
‘Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.’
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Right. The real threat to democracy. Parents. :O
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That is an insane take. They deserve jail time but death penalty is just being bloodthirsty and is immoral to boot.
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Wow .. you and I agree with you here. Joe Biden was 100% wrong here. He should have not said that about 2022 election. If he is POTUS, he better fix it the election issue. If we can’t have free and fair election in USA then we don’t have democracy.
If Joe Biden keep repeating this “Election is not secure” then he will defiantly loose my support.
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Uh huh. A horrible past which makes for a horrible present. Let's all be ashamed of who we are. Maybe even emigrate to Iran and chant, "Death to America!"
Own it all you want. I'm not interested in taking the credit or the blame for what people here did 100 years before my ancestors ever stepped foot in America.
Keep that one in mind.
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If capital punishment is not for Treason then what is the point of having capital punishment ?
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But why? It's the basis of the "Voting rights act", which presumes that elections are currently not secure.
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Not what I'm seeing in several sources. I do want to thank you for your rational and pleasant interaction, by the way. Normal people can disagree without being disagreeable and mocking.
Here is a piece that contains some documents.
Staggering Costs – U.S. Military Equipment Left Behind In Afghanistan
About the withdrawal, the Administration is minimizing it, of course, but it was a debacle.
From Reuters: U.S. military deaths in Afghanistan are nightmare scenario for Biden
From wiki:
On 2 July, Germany and Italy withdrew their troops from Afghanistan.[101] On the same day, American forces vacated Bagram Airfield. Afghan officials complained that the Americans had left without notifying the new Afghan commander until more than two hours after abandoning the base. As a result, the base was ransacked by looters before they could take control of the airfield.[102][103][104] Meanwhile, fighting raged between the Taliban and Afghan government forces, with analysts from Al Jazeera saying that the Taliban was "at the door of Kabul".[105] On 8 July 2021, President Biden announced that the official conclusion to the war in Afghanistan will be on 31 August 2021.[12] Biden defended the withdrawal of US troops, saying to trust "the capacity of the Afghan military, who is better trained, better equipped and ... more competent in terms of conducting war".[106] but the Afghan army was easily overwhelmed by the Taliban's advance in a matter of weeks.[107]
A map of Afghanistan showing the 2021 Taliban offensive.
On 12 July 2021, Austin S. Miller stepped down from his post as commander of US and NATO forces in Afghanistan.[108]
By 12 July 2021, the Taliban had seized 139 districts from the Afghan National Army. According to a US intelligence report, the Afghan government was expected to collapse within six months of the withdrawal,[109][110] however the US military later revised the assessment stating the collapse would occur much sooner.[111]
Spokesmen for the Taliban, including Suhail Shaheen and Mohammad Naeem, issued statements that all foreign forces should withdraw from Afghanistan. The Taliban (self-styled the "Islamic Emirate") refused to participate in any talks until all foreign forces had withdrawn from the country.[112][94] Local militias in the north of the country had reportedly engaged in combat against the Taliban.[113] Footage taken on 16 June and released on 13 July showed Taliban gunmen executing 22 Afghan servicemen who had been attempting to surrender.
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Hi @Aldebaran
I think you misread my statement. I didn't say that others were coming here because they are greedy. I said that other people come here because they often see the 'goodness of greed' that the average American lifestyle embraces. Americans are greedy and we have tons of stuff. We have somewhere near 50,000 storage businesses in the U.S. just because we can't keep all our stuff at our homes. People from poorer nations see this and think, "Wow! It must be great to live in America! Even their poor have cars and meals and usually some decent housing for their families."
That's all I was intending. If you don't agree, that's ok.
God bless,
Ted
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Hi @RestoreTheJoy
Yes, and if you read that Forbes report, you'd have seen that their numbers are for all the money we've spent in equipment and training since the beginning of the war. Quite a lot of that was used up and is not some 'asset' sitting on the ground that one can pick up. How do you take away 20 years of training given to a soldier? Another large part of the vehicle count shows vehicles that we gave to the Afghani military. We didn't 'leave' that behind. Those were their vehicles. It was up to the Afghani military to secure them if they were to be secured from the Taliban. So, while I agree that a lot of stuff was left behind, it's nowhere near the dollar amount that you've quoted. The video shown earlier doesn't explain whether or not the vehicles being paraded are vehicles that were found out at abandoned U.S. military bases or whether they were vehicles that we had given the Afghani military and were taken from them by the Taliban forces. There is a big difference as to who is responsible in each scenario.
Yes, and if you read that report it was about the deaths of 12 servicemen 'while' we were leaving. We didn't 'leave' soldiers behind to die. Those soldiers died as a part of the effort to leave. There was another bombing incident just as the many hundreds that had occurred throughout the 20 year mission. It was while we were still in country and making an effort to leave. They died with other American servicemen standing within dozens of feet of them. They weren't left alone to die.
All of your complaints are really not valid to support the position you're making, as I see it. As far as the rest of your post concerning the Wiki article, none of that supports your position that we left billions of dollars of valuable military equipment or soldiers in Afghanistan after we left. It is merely a recount of how quickly the Taliban retook power. Everyone knew that was going to happen!!! It's Afghanistan!!! One of the problems with Americans, is that we think that not only should the rest of the world live like us, but we're going to do everything within our power to make them. Well, that doesn't work well in countries that are older than we are and have a longer and older established governmental system that we're trying to overthrow.
Look, it's fine with me if you want to hold Pres. Biden responsible for a bunch of boogey man issues that you exaggerate into major Himalayan mountains, but there is a truth that won't be ignored by those who actually look into the claims.
God bless,
Ted
Yes, and if you read that Forbes report, you'd have seen that their numbers are for all the money we've spent in equipment and training since the beginning of the war. Quite a lot of that was used up and is not some 'asset' sitting on the ground that one can pick up. How do you take away 20 years of training given to a soldier? Another large part of the vehicle count shows vehicles that we gave to the Afghani military. We didn't 'leave' that behind. Those were their vehicles. It was up to the Afghani military to secure them if they were to be secured from the Taliban. So, while I agree that a lot of stuff was left behind, it's nowhere near the dollar amount that you've quoted. The video shown earlier doesn't explain whether or not the vehicles being paraded are vehicles that were found out at abandoned U.S. military bases or whether they were vehicles that we had given the Afghani military and were taken from them by the Taliban forces. There is a big difference as to who is responsible in each scenario.
Yes, and if you read that report it was about the deaths of 12 servicemen 'while' we were leaving. We didn't 'leave' soldiers behind to die. Those soldiers died as a part of the effort to leave. There was another bombing incident just as the many hundreds that had occurred throughout the 20 year mission. It was while we were still in country and making an effort to leave. They died with other American servicemen standing within dozens of feet of them. They weren't left alone to die.
All of your complaints are really not valid to support the position you're making, as I see it. As far as the rest of your post concerning the Wiki article, none of that supports your position that we left billions of dollars of valuable military equipment or soldiers in Afghanistan after we left. It is merely a recount of how quickly the Taliban retook power. Everyone knew that was going to happen!!! It's Afghanistan!!! One of the problems with Americans, is that we think that not only should the rest of the world live like us, but we're going to do everything within our power to make them. Well, that doesn't work well in countries that are older than we are and have a longer and older established governmental system that we're trying to overthrow.
Look, it's fine with me if you want to hold Pres. Biden responsible for a bunch of boogey man issues that you exaggerate into major Himalayan mountains, but there is a truth that won't be ignored by those who actually look into the claims.
God bless,
Ted
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Hi all,
One final word to address this subject of our leaving Afghanistan. It is my conjecture that had the former guy been re-elected, we would have left Afghanistan pretty much exactly as we did. The name of the guy sitting in the WH doesn't change much about how the military operates when leaving a war area. I rather imagine that we would have left about the exact same equipment and munitions if the former guy was in charge or Pres. Biden was in charge.
We may well have suffered the same loss of 12 American soldier's lives no matter who was sitting in the big seat. The former guy would have issued the order to leave Afghanistan and we would be sitting today with pretty much the exact same scenario that we now have. It wasn't Pres. Biden who made the decision as to what to leave and what to take. Just as it wouldn't have been the former guy's decision. The military leaders and battalion commanders make those logistical decisions along with their logistics personnel.
God bless,
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One final word to address this subject of our leaving Afghanistan. It is my conjecture that had the former guy been re-elected, we would have left Afghanistan pretty much exactly as we did. The name of the guy sitting in the WH doesn't change much about how the military operates when leaving a war area. I rather imagine that we would have left about the exact same equipment and munitions if the former guy was in charge or Pres. Biden was in charge.
We may well have suffered the same loss of 12 American soldier's lives no matter who was sitting in the big seat. The former guy would have issued the order to leave Afghanistan and we would be sitting today with pretty much the exact same scenario that we now have. It wasn't Pres. Biden who made the decision as to what to leave and what to take. Just as it wouldn't have been the former guy's decision. The military leaders and battalion commanders make those logistical decisions along with their logistics personnel.
God bless,
Ted
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You may be right to some extent, but America is also a prosperous nation, which is a good thing, while greed is normally a negative connotation.
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