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I would expect nothing more.
Of course, they gloss over that by claiming that a "mutant" isn't of the sci-fi variety mutations we're accustomed to seeing in horror shows, and that a "copy error" is just a fancy way of saying that the output isn't exactly the same as the input, but that's PR for you.

Using that logic, green paint should be a mutant copy-error of yellow and blue paint.
 
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Of course, they gloss over that by claiming that a "mutant" isn't of the sci-fi variety mutations we're accustomed to seeing in horror shows, and that a "copy error" is just a fancy way of saying that the output isn't exactly the same as the input, but that's PR for you.

Using that logic, green paint should be a mutant copy-error of yellow and blue paint.
The words are well-defined in the context of biological evolution.
 
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The words are well-defined in the context of biological evolution.
Is that why we have flying squirrels today?

And is that why the educated arc and spark when I say Darwin wrote, The Preservation of Favoured Races?
 
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One or two verses would help.
Thanks

On that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you are in Me, and I am in you.

no separation/division ... understanding Gods work is finished, albeit we can not see this at present, which begs the question what is time to Him seeing He declared the end from the beginning ...
 
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On that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you are in Me, and I am in you.

no separation/division ... understanding Gods work is finished, albeit we can not see this at present, which begs the question what is time to Him seeing He declared the end from the beginning ...
Yes, the Holy Spirit is in us.
 
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you must not allow your soul to usurp authority over your spirit ...
Are there other entities in your mind besides just the soul, the spirit and the physical?

When it comes to the mind, I follow Occam's Razer: If you arbitrarily multiply entities, its likely your view is wrong.

There is one brain in there that does the thinking.
 
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I am quite sure that I am not descended from Blue green algae. I don't think that blue green algae has any power of thought, or any such thing as a soul, or a spirit.
Did you never hear about evolution of the central nervous system and the brain?

I have value to God, because He made me,
From scratch? Thats not what the fossil record shows. We descended from slime.

He determined who I would be... I will stand before Him to account for what I have done with the life which He gave me.
If God determined who you will be, why does he hold you accountable for being who you are?
 
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Are there other entities in your mind besides just the soul, the spirit and the physical?

When it comes to the mind, I follow Occam's Razer: If you arbitrarily multiply entities, its likely your view is wrong.

There is one brain in there that does the thinking.

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OK, so if it's non-physical, how does the soul connect it to the body, i.e. how can it physically influence the body? and if it doesn't physically influence the body, how can it make a difference?
You probably mean spirit, not soul.

Nobody knows how it works, how spirit influences body and vice versa. For now, its a mystery. I kind of play with two concepts I got from G.W. Leibniz, buts its just me personally - monads (i.e. even physical things are spiritual in nature) and pre-established harmony.

Also, does this mean that creatures that don't have experience don't have spirit, and creatures that do have experience do have spirit? If so, does that mean that someone unconscious has no spirit?
I do not think that a stone has a spirit. I think that primitive living creatures like bacterias and cells have spirit, but their body is so primitive that the spirit in them have also just primitive experiences. Body is a kind of a filter through which the spirit experiences the physical world.

I do not know much about how unconciousness actually works on a deeper level, so I have no opinion right now.
 
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I have value to God, because He made me,
From scratch? Thats not what the fossil record shows. We descended from slime.

You think so! Are you proud of your ancestry?

He determined who I would be... I will stand before Him to account for what I have done with the life which He gave me.
If God determined who you will be, why does he hold you accountable for being who you are?

Because I have an eternal future and it's appointed for men die one and after that comes the judgement. You have an eternal future as well and you too will need to account for what you have done with God's gift of live. It'still not to late to turn to him and change your eternal destiny to a good one!
 
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I have value to God, because He made me,
From scratch? Thats not what the fossil record shows. We descended from slime.

You think so! Are you proud of your ancestry?
First, may I suggest that you learn to use the reply tool when you show past conversations? It makes it easier to understand.

If anybody is confused by the above, the first line is yours, the second is my response, and the third is your response to my response.

The fossil record clearly shows that we descended from other creatures. Your response? You imply that you wouldn't like that. But it does not matter what we like. What matters is what is. And I explained to you what is.

And yes, I am quite proud of my ancestors. Probably most creatures that ever lived died before they ever had children. But not so with my ancestors. Millions of them. They beat the odds. All lived productive lives up to adulthood and managed to have descendants that did the same. Do you not find that impressive?


He determined who I would be... I will stand before Him to account for what I have done with the life which He gave me.
If God determined who you will be, why does he hold you accountable for being who you are?

Because I have an eternal future and it's appointed for men die one and after that comes the judgement.
Again first sentence yours; second mine; third yours.

Your reply does not respond to my question. Why does God hold you accountable if he determined beforehand who you would be?

By the way, I also believe that my life is determined, that forces of nature and nurture cause me to do what I do, and that is that. But we should all still be held accountable for our actions. If there was no accountability, society could not exist.

But there is a difference between jailing a person because that is what is needed to maintain society, and eternally tormenting one after life is over.

You have an eternal future as well and you too will need to account for what you have done with God's gift of live.
I don't see how my brain can live forever, and don't understand how I could live without a brain.

So I don't expect to live forever.

But suppose my brain somehow lives forever, and I need to account for what I have done. Then I can say that I did what I could to be productive in this life, including things like coming here and helping uninformed people.
 
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Sorry you find this confusing.

You speak of your mind as multiple entities, including a soul and a spirit. And then you speak of "God walking in us". Then you post a picture of an angel and devil, apparently also speaking in there. So I can understand why the guy in your picture (you?) might be confused. How many are there in there? Your soul, your spirit, your brain, God, the devil, and who knows who all else? There are enough people inside to have a party?

Our brains are complex things with multiple parallel processes, producing multiple thoughts that sometimes conflict with each other. But it is simpler to recognize and accept that, rather than postulate a host of entities inside creating thoughts. How can you possibly know which thought comes from which entity?
 
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How many are there in there? Your soul, your spirit, your brain, the Holy Spirit, the devil, and who knows who all else? There are enough people inside to have a party?

Our brains are complex things with multiple parallel processes, producing multiple thoughts that sometimes conflict with each other. But it is simpler to recognize and accept that, rather than postulate a host of entities inside creating thoughts. How can you possibly know which thought comes from which entity?
It seems to me that the used personifications (angel, devil) is just a different method to say the same things we experience - conflicting inclinations, opinions and thoughts.

Similarly in mythology chaos was represented by a dragon, because zoomorphism is better grasped by people than abstract concepts. Or sometimes by "waters".

So, saying "satan is tempting me" and saying "my reproductive functions in my brain are tempting me" is the same thing, just said differently, in different language. Similarly, saying for example "we are dust" and "our bodies are mortal".

The problems come when people do not understand the language and, for example, try to read the "dust" scientifically as some chemical compound God made us from.
 
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