‘White Nationalists’ ????

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New York Democratic congressman Mondaire Jones said on Thursday that “we are living through the worst assault on the right to vote since Jim Crow. And yesterday, on the Senate floor, white nationalists used the Jim Crow filibuster to block voting-rights legislation.”
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House Democrat Calls 52 Senators ‘White Nationalists’ | National Review

Being that everyone has the right to vote, and no one's right to vote is being denied, I don't think much of it. As far as "white nationalists" goes she'd just as well have accused them of being witches.
 
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Yup, the Congressman is correct. Not only is the right and ability to vote being curtailed, but Republican state legislatures are re-drawing Congressional districts to make it more difficult (impossible in some cases) to elect Democrats in areas with a big majority Democratic vote. And the filibuster makes it easier for a minority to force their will on the majority.

I give it another 3-4 years, and democracy as we've known it for 200+ years will be history. It was a nice run while it lasted, but it is on the way out. Then, many of us (unfortunately, not all) will wake up to reality and ask: "What have we done?"
 
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Yup, the Congressman is correct. Not only is the right and ability to vote being curtailed, but Republican state legislatures are re-drawing Congressional districts to make it more difficult (impossible in some cases) to elect Democrats in areas with a big majority Democratic vote. And the filibuster makes it easier for a minority to force their will on the majority.

I give it another 3-4 years, and democracy as we've known it for 200+ years will be history. It was a nice run while it lasted, but it is on the way out. Then, many of us (unfortunately, not all) will wake up to reality and ask: "What have we done?"
I do think R efforts to secure a permanent minority rule - well beyond what constitutional senate composition entitles them to - will result in a crisis of representation in the USA.

Lack of representation was a core principle behind the colonies' revolt against Britain.
 
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New York Democratic congressman Mondaire Jones said on Thursday that “we are living through the worst assault on the right to vote since Jim Crow. And yesterday, on the Senate floor, white nationalists used the Jim Crow filibuster to block voting-rights legislation.”
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Let's begin with an answer to this: "What's a 'white nationalist,' and what, specifically, do they want?'"
 
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No more inflammatory than most of the comments by Marjorie Taylor Greene and Madison Cawthorn--who has told his constituents they may have to take up arms against Democrats.

I would not have called them 'white nationalists' myself. Perhaps it would have been more accurate to call them 'anti-democracy authoritarians' or 'fair voting obstructionists.' I think that there is too much focus on the new voter suppression laws in 19 states being anti-black. They are anti-black, but they are also biased against urban voters, young voters, disabled and elderly voters, voters who use public transportation, etc. There is plenty of blame to go around. If it is continually framed as being "anti-black" all those other groups might not realize how their rights have been restricted as well.
 
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No more inflammatory than most of the comments by Marjorie Taylor Greene and Madison Cawthorn...

Allow me to restate the question that was asked--before you get off onto some other lecture.

What the heck is "white nationalist" supposed to mean? Seriously. And specifically.

'anti-democracy authoritarians' or 'fair voting obstructionists.'
Neither of those has anything to do with racial identity or with nationalism. In other words, I get that those are your own insults of choice, but not that there's an answer to the question asked.
 
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That was my answer. Incivility leads to more Incivility. To me, her comments seem mild compared to what others on the other side of the aisle have said, no worse.
Do I think Republicans are white nationalists? No. I think they are equal opportunity voter suppressors and that black votes are only one group out of several they want to suppress. Perhaps that's worse.
 
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That was my answer. Incivility leads to more Incivility. To me, her comments seem mild compared to what others on the other side of the aisle have said, no worse.
Do I think Republicans are white nationalists? No. I think they are equal opportunity voter suppressors and that black votes are only one group out of several they want to suppress. Perhaps that's worse.
Well, what's been demonstrated here is that the term (white nationalist) is just another propaganda word chosen for its shock value although it has no relevance to anything real.

That's what I was getting at, and you can see from the replies that this is exactly what is meant by calling opponents "white nationalists." In other words...nothing; but it sounds bad.
 
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That was my answer. Incivility leads to more Incivility. To me, her comments seem mild compared to what others on the other side of the aisle have said, no worse.
Do I think Republicans are white nationalists? No. I think they are equal opportunity voter suppressors and that black votes are only one group out of several they want to suppress. Perhaps that's worse.

Could you give us some evidence that there is any legislation that will suppress black votes that will not suppress the votes of anyone that is not black? I keep hearing the accusation that some states are writing laws that suppress black votes, but I have, so far, not come across any factual evidence put forward by those making the accusation that any of the legislation will actually do that. Only an accusation based upon some fairly shaky assumptions about black people which would have us believe that black people are somehow uniquely less capable of getting to a polling place or furnishing their ID.
 
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Could you give us some evidence that there is any legislation that will suppress black votes that will not suppress the votes of anyone that is not black? I keep hearing the accusation that some states are writing laws that suppress black votes, but I have, so far, not come across any factual evidence put forward by those making the accusation that any of the legislation will actually do that. Only an accusation based upon some fairly shaky assumptions about black people which would have us believe that black people are somehow uniquely less capable of getting to a polling place or furnishing their ID.
Getting to an open polling station and furnishing IDs doesn't encompass all methods of voter suppression. If you wanted perspective you can choose to listen to voters who have been exposed to the suppression for decades. And you can do some research yourself. If white folks were being suppressed at the level blacks have been you would understand. I doubt you are forced to register to vote every election. I also doubt you are forced into standing in line for twelve hours to cast your ballot either. These are things their communities deal with every single election. You will have perspective when they get around to suppressing YOUR RIGHTS. Sadly, it will be too late then to actually defend our democracy!
 
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Well, what's been demonstrated here is that the term (white nationalist) is just another propaganda word chosen for its shock value although it has no relevance to anything real.

That's what I was getting at, and you can see from the replies that this is exactly what is meant by calling opponents "white nationalists." In other words...nothing; but it sounds bad.
As do the epithets flung by the more radical members of both parties.

I almost feel as if the voter suppression laws are more "rural nationalism" than "white nationalism." We already know that Republicans in the 50/50 Senate represent 45% of American voters---while the 55% of Democratic voters get short shrift.

We already know that because of the way Congressional districts were drawn after the 2010 census (spoiler alert: it gets worse) Republican voters in House elections get way more bang for their ballot than Democratic voters. Take Colorado for example. 50% of House voters were Democrats, but they only won 28% of the Congressional districts. CQ Voting and Elections Collection

The state legislatures are even worse. In Michigan, N. Carolina, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and other states Democrats win all the state elections but legislative districts are drawn to guarantee that rural Republican areas control the legislatures.

And I call all the gerrymandering and the composition of the Senate and the voter suppression laws in Texas and Georgia drawing a target around the cities "rural gerrymandering." Distgrict lines are drawn so that rural voters are "weighted" to give them far more clout than the Constitution intended. You live on an acre? Your vote counts twice as much as the urban apartment dweller, because cities are broken up and their residents are sprinkled into other districts where they will never have a representative who shares their values.

This is especially unfair because most rural states get far more federal aid and pay far less in taxes per capita than urban states. Californians and NYC residents have two of the largest economies in the world, and they pull the economic weight of the rural states. What do they get in return?

Because they don't have equal representation, they see their priorities pushed aside---Medicare for All, free community college, etc.--for tax cuts for the rich and defense, defense, and more defense.

We got out of a war in August. Why did our defense budget go up when there are so many domestic priorities that are unfunded? Rural nationalism. They don't believe in government solutions---even though their citizens need them more.

None of that unfairness is based on race. Prejudice against the urban, coastal elites would exist even if the cities were all white. Coincidentally. the cities are more ethnically and racially diverse. More blacks. More immigrants. But the cardinal sin of the urban dwellers is that they are progressive.

White nationalism is not the problem.
 
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As do the epithets flung by the more radical members of both parties.
Maybe. But "white nationalism" was the term that appeared in the title of the thread, so that is the one under discussion.
 
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I think I have said very clearly that although today's Republicans want to discriminate against blacks, among other groups, in voting in order to establish a "ruling political class," that they are not looking to establish a white ruling class but are rather trying to rule over all the residents of the large metro areas that fuel the economy through technology, finance, and big business.
 
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Being that everyone has the right to vote, and no one's right to vote is being denied, I don't think much of it. As far as "white nationalists" goes she'd just as well have accused them of being witches.
Except people are being suppressed on a massive scale and white supremacists are very real and have been marching out in the open.
 
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Except people are being suppressed on a massive scale and white supremacists are very real and have been marching out in the open.

Who is it that is being suppressed and how is it being done?

How many white supremacists are in the US Senate?
 
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Except people are being suppressed on a massive scale and white supremacists are very real and have been marching out in the open.

So that's how joe biden got elected, and the democrats got a majority in the House, and a razor thin majority in the Senate! It also explains how "The Squad" got elected, and how the MSM and the courts sided with democrats when the election results were challenged. It's because they were "oppressed" by "white supremacists"!
I sure hope to be oppressed by them some day. Then I could be a congressman, or even president, and have the MSM and the courts on my side no matter what I do.
Hooray for oppression! :zoro:
 
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After explosive surgical gerrymandering and 19 states taking actions to make it more difficult, and in some cases near impossible, for people who tend to vote progressive to vote, you are trying to say, "Well Democrats did pretty well" before we put our collective thumbs on the scale....

What Republicans did is leave Democrats up in the air angrily flailing at the injustice and chicanery.
 
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After explosive surgical gerrymandering and 19 states taking actions to make it more difficult, and in some cases near impossible, for people who tend to vote progressive to vote, you are trying to say, "Well Democrats did pretty well" before we put our collective thumbs on the scale....

What Republicans did is leave Democrats up in the air angrily flailing at the injustice and chicanery.

If democrats would show up at the designated polling site with a photo ID, they'd be able to vote. Are they not capable? Or are those the things you refer to as "near impossible for people who tend to vote progressive"?
Before you answer, keep in mind that the election worker who checks your ID and hands you a ballot has no idea how you're planning to vote.
 
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