People Are Hiding That Their Unvaccinated Loved Ones Died of COVID

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[quote from the below video] "In the totalitarian religion, there are the chosen people and there are the sinners. The chosen ones are those who naively believe in a paradisal future and the ability of the state to be the vehicle to effectuate this transformation. They are the pious who follow the states commands with unquestioning obedience. The sinners are the non-believers. They are the heretics who stand in the way of the so-called 'greater good', and prevent the forward march of history.

To use an analogy by the polish sociologist and philosopher Zygmunt Bauman: "The totalitarians see the earth as a garden which they are anointed to cultivate and the sinners the weeds that must be exterminated to bring about the full flowering of the totalitarian utopia." "


If you want to know why I refuse to be vaccinated it's this right here. Obedience to the god people worship called the"state" is determined by whether or not we take this vaccine (no other vaccines count).

If you want to see who the pious are versus who are the sinners in this religion, just read the article in the OP. Condolences are only offered to the pious, harassment is the lot of the families of sinners.

When you take God out of people's hearts, they worship the beast. The beast's name is"state".
 
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Propaganda.

If someone dies, they check if they were fully vaccinated. If the answer is NO, or UNKNOWN, it is declared as a covid death caused by refusal to vaccinate.

If the dead person was fully vaccinated, they ASSUME they couldn't have died from covid because they were vaccinated. The death is declared unrelated to covid.

I see this all the time in the news. Some famous person dies a "Sudden, unexpected death" as they call it, a few weeks after the shot. Cause of death? Unknown. No further questions. Nothing to see here. Move along.

A person died in a vehicle crash. Cause of death? Covid! A person died from a fall. Cause of death? Covid!

Don't believe the lies.

It's just as biased as doing mandatory covid tests ONLY on the undervaccinated. So everyone knows when THEY have covid (false positives?). But the fully vaccinated do not have to get tested because it is ASSUMED they can't get covid. So when they get covid, nobody has to know. And trust me, they get covid!
 
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A person died in a vehicle crash. Cause of death? Covid! A person died from a fall. Cause of death? Covid

Vaccinated person dies of covid: “It would have been much worse had they not been vaccinated.”

A resisting career criminal with covid and enough fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system to kill an elephant dies in police custody after being given nearly 1 hour to comply with simple instructions: hE wUz MuRdErEd!!!

The narrative must go on.
 
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Hundreds of thousands of Americans were dying above background levels before the vaccines were even rolled out,. And no natural cause can explain what we are seeing. So these possible causes of death can be comfortably ruled out.

Consider the following:

2015 - 2.69 Million deaths
2016 - 2.73 (increase of 40,000 from prior year)
2017 - 2.81(increase of 80,000 from prior year)
2018 - 2.84 (increase of 30,000 from prior year)
2019 - 2.85 (increase of 10,000 from prior year)
2020 - 3.40 (increase of 0.55 or 550,000 deaths over the prior year).

Now someone might say something like:
"If the dead person was fully vaccinated, they ASSUME they couldn't have died from covid because they were vaccinated. The death is declared unrelated to covid."

But if it were not covid, then what would be causing hundreds of thousands of people to die above background levels? The speaker offers insight into their rationalization:

"A person died in a vehicle crash. Cause of death? Covid! A person died from a fall. Cause of death? Covid!"

thats an awful lot of random vehicle accidents. Why would vehicle accidents abruptly result in 550,000 deaths above background levels in 2020? Did roads across the entire nation transform into pure ice resulting in hundreds of thousands of additional US vehicle crashes every year?

A person dies from a fall? Why would falling result in 550,000 deaths above background levels in the year 2020? Did sidewalks across the nation ust magically transform into ice, causing hundreds of thousands of people to randomly start falling on the ground to their death?

This rationalization and covid denial, doesn't actually make any sense because no normal or routine cause of death can account for the numbers we are seeing. Only covid-19 can account for this national disaster.
 
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Propaganda.

If someone dies, they check if they were fully vaccinated. If the answer is NO, or UNKNOWN, it is declared as a covid death caused by refusal to vaccinate.

If the dead person was fully vaccinated, they ASSUME they couldn't have died from covid because they were vaccinated. The death is declared unrelated to covid.

I see this all the time in the news. Some famous person dies a "Sudden, unexpected death" as they call it, a few weeks after the shot. Cause of death? Unknown. No further questions. Nothing to see here. Move along.

A person died in a vehicle crash. Cause of death? Covid! A person died from a fall. Cause of death? Covid!

Don't believe the lies.

It's just as biased as doing mandatory covid tests ONLY on the undervaccinated. So everyone knows when THEY have covid (false positives?). But the fully vaccinated do not have to get tested because it is ASSUMED they can't get covid. So when they get covid, nobody has to know. And trust me, they get covid!

Instead of trimming, figured I'd just bold that short statement....that's a total lie. Our HR department are requiring tests of anyone showing symptoms of Covid and also to stay home until cleared, regardless of vaccination status.
 
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Hundreds of thousands of Americans were dying above background levels before the vaccines were even rolled out,. And no natural cause can explain what we are seeing. So these possible causes of death can be comfortably ruled out.

Consider the following:

2015 - 2.69 Million deaths
2016 - 2.73 (increase of 40,000 from prior year)
2017 - 2.81(increase of 80,000 from prior year)
2018 - 2.84 (increase of 30,000 from prior year)
2019 - 2.85 (increase of 10,000 from prior year)
2020 - 3.40 (increase of 0.55 or 550,000 deaths over the prior year).

Now someone might say something like:
"If the dead person was fully vaccinated, they ASSUME they couldn't have died from covid because they were vaccinated. The death is declared unrelated to covid."

But if it were not covid, then what would be causing hundreds of thousands of people to die above background levels? The speaker offers insight into their rationalization:

"A person died in a vehicle crash. Cause of death? Covid! A person died from a fall. Cause of death? Covid!"

thats an awful lot of random vehicle accidents. Why would vehicle accidents abruptly result in 550,000 deaths above background levels in 2020? Did roads across the entire nation transform into pure ice resulting in hundreds of thousands of additional US vehicle crashes every year?

A person dies from a fall? Why would falling result in 550,000 deaths above background levels in the year 2020? Did sidewalks across the nation ust magically transform into ice, causing hundreds of thousands of people to randomly start falling on the ground to their death?

This rationalization and covid denial, doesn't actually make any sense because no normal or routine cause of death can account for the numbers we are seeing. Only covid-19 can account for this national disaster.

You seem to have misunderstood my post. I do not deny the existence of covid. I do think the statistics are manipulated. I don't think every car crash is labeled as a covid death. But if a person died in a car crash after testing positive for covid, and they were unvaccinated, it is declared aa a covid death. If the person was fully vaccinated, they don't even test for covid.
 
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Instead of trimming, figured I'd just bold that short statement....that's a total lie. Our HR department are requiring tests of anyone showing symptoms of Covid and also to stay home until cleared, regardless of vaccination status.

Your HR department is not the whole world. There are mandates all over where persons must get tested frequently for covid only if they are not fully vaccinated. And also, the unvaccinated must get tested regardless of whether they have symptoms or not.
 
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You seem to have misunderstood my post. I do not deny the existence of covid. I do think the statistics are manipulated. I don't think every car crash is labeled as a covid death. But if a person died in a car crash after testing positive for covid, and they were unvaccinated, it is declared aa a covid death. If the person was fully vaccinated, they don't even test for covid.

It sounds like you were denying the existence of covid-19 to me. 550,000 dead Americans over background levels and you decide to bring up car accidents?

Imagine if world war 3 happened, and 450,000 Americans died (I'm being generous and assuming the other 100,000 died due to old age), and someone came along and said "oh, well actually it's obesity that is to blame for all those US deaths and people are just misattributing the true cause of death because there just by coincidence happens to be a war going on, silly military officials and their bad data".

How absurd would it sound? It would be offensive to the hundreds of thousands who died at war. Just because a few soldiers here or there happened to be obese and died of a heart attack rather than being shot.

We know that no cause, other than covid-19 itself, could result in such a vast volume of hundreds of thousands of US deaths. And so, it's best to just give credit where credit is due and to acknowledge the real issue at play. The issue that covid-19 has killed nearly a million Americans in the span of just 2 years or so. It is truly catastrophic, and trying to say this disaster is because people are getting into car accidents, or are slipping on ice and hitting their heads, is an insult to the hundreds of thousands of Americans who have died of covid-19.
 
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Propaganda.

If someone dies, they check if they were fully vaccinated. If the answer is NO, or UNKNOWN, it is declared as a covid death caused by refusal to vaccinate.

If the dead person was fully vaccinated, they ASSUME they couldn't have died from covid because they were vaccinated. The death is declared unrelated to covid.
I do not believe this - please substantiate this remarkable assertion with evidence.
 
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Many of us know there have been shenanigans with the numbers, and now even more people are learning about it.

CNN, Tapper Finally Discover 'Misleading' COVID Hospitalization Numbers

After playing a soundbite of Walensky admitting “up to 40 percent of the patients who are coming in with COVID are coming in not because they're sick with COVID but because they're coming in with something else,” Tapper seemed a bit surprised and called it “misleading”:

"So the hospitals are still stretched thin because of this, so I’m not trying to take away from that. But if 40 percent in some hospitals – 40 percent of the people who have COVID don't necessarily have problematic COVID, they're there because they got in a car accident. They're there because, you know, they bumped their head and they're being included as in the hospital with COVID. That number seems kind of misleading."

 
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People Are Hiding That Their Unvaccinated Loved Ones Died Of COVID
Well, if it is evident the person died because of not being vaccinated, I can have compassion on others, by telling them so they don't make the same mistake.

But yes there might be evil people who try to punish me and shame me because a loved one did not get vaccinated and died because of that. But we need to not allow evil people to control us, right?

With the arrival of vaccines, compassion for COVID deaths began to dry up, sometimes replaced by scorn.
That does not make the vaccine wrong, of course.

And it is wrong to not have compassion for ones who die because of not being vaccinated. But it also is not compassionate to hide how unvaccinated people are dying because of not being vaccinated.

The general report is that many more unvaccinated people are dying of COVID and having more severe illness, versus how many vaccinated are dying and suffering not so much. And I find it interesting how certain ones think they know what each of the millions of doctors and information people are all doing. I do not know each one personally, so I could tell you how many are covering up and confusing diagnoses.

And I don't personally know each person who is claiming the vaccination reports are a hoax. I do know that lying is a tactic of war and there is a political war going on, with worldwide sides being taken.

So, I have no way of personally knowing each doctor and each authority and each one making claims on the Net.

Humans can lie; so if the mainstream doctors and reporters can be lying, then it is possible also that anti-vax people can be lying or have been lied to. And I am not a personal and legal and Christian witness to what really is going on with each doctor, reporter, authority, or Net person.

But what I have been told through mainstream sources has been a match with what already I learned about medicine and science before all this stuff started.
 
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Many of us know there have been shenanigans with the numbers, and now even more people are learning about it.

CNN, Tapper Finally Discover 'Misleading' COVID Hospitalization Numbers

After playing a soundbite of Walensky admitting “up to 40 percent of the patients who are coming in with COVID are coming in not because they're sick with COVID but because they're coming in with something else,”

"So the hospitals are still stretched thin because of this, 40 percent of the people who have COVID don't necessarily have problematic COVID, they're there because they got in a car accident. They're there because, you know, they bumped their head

As noted above, mere car accidents cannot account for the 800+ thousand deaths above background levels that we've seen since the pandemic began.

Did cars just magically lose all their safety features and everyone just started dying in mass quantities? No of course not. Rates of car accidents have not changed.

Something like 40,000 Americans die each year in car accidents, so why would that number increase by 400,000 in 2020? Did the fools on CNN think to ask that question during their discussion?

I think people seem to be confusing the medias news articles with actual credible information.

Imagine this simple explanation. Someone has a heart attack. So they go to the hospital because they had a heart attack. And when they check-in, they tell the doctor that they came to the hospital because they had a heart attack and they don't mention covid-19 at all. And they come to find that they had a heart attack because of inflammation of their heart due to covid-19 that they weren't aware of.

And so they were hospitalized not because they perceived being infected, but rather they went because they had a heart attack. But the heart attack itself was caused by covid-19, because without the virus, hundreds of thousands of Americans wouldn't be dying so rapidly.

Never in the history of America have so many people died of heart attacks in a single year.

So it's important to understand that covid-19 alone is never the cause of death, rather covid-19 causes other things to kill people such as heart inflammation that results in heart attacks that kill, or inflammation in the lungs and phlegm in the lungs that results in death by pneumonia. Covid-19 can also cause blood clots in the brain, and so people will be admitted in hospitals because of strokes, completely unaware that those strokes have been caused by covid-19 which they are then tested positive for.

And so people can go to the hospital for heart attacks and pneumonia and brain aneurysms, but really what's happening is there dying of covid-19 that's enhancing the deadly nature of countless other conditions. And without covid-19, those 500,000 Americans would not have died so abruptly in 2020. And so even if they go to the hospital because of something that is not covid 19, we still attribute their death to COVID-19, because without the virus, the condition would not have killed them (Because such conditions never in the history of America have killed such vast quantities of people). And we know this because we have data collected every single year for the number of people that natural die in America, So when that number of deaths multiplies by 20, we know that something else is causing those deaths. Something abnormal. A deadly virus.

And we know this because these conditions don't kill people in such incredible numbers, year after year, without covid-19, they don't kill such numbers. Heart attacks and pneumonia don't kill people in such incredible numbers and yet these are the things that people are being hospitalized by, because of COVID-19. Car accidents don't kill people in such incredible numbers. Pneumonia, strokes, diabetes etc. None of these conditions kill people in such vast numbers on their own, but only at the hands of covid-19 are all of these conditions amplified and more deadly and more probable.

If 30,000 people die annually of heart attacks on average, and then out of nowhere that number spikes to 60,000, you know that something is wrong, and that it's not just heart attacks anymore.

So we blame covid-19.
 
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I see this all the time in the news. Some famous person dies a "Sudden, unexpected death" as they call it, a few weeks after the shot. Cause of death? Unknown. No further questions. Nothing to see here. Move along.

A person died in a vehicle crash. Cause of death? Covid! A person died from a fall. Cause of death? Covid!
I’d like to see citations for that claim.
 
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If someone dies, they check if they were fully vaccinated. If the answer is NO, or UNKNOWN, it is declared as a covid death caused by refusal to vaccinate.

If the dead person was fully vaccinated, they ASSUME they couldn't have died from covid because they were vaccinated. The death is declared unrelated to covid.

That’s quite a claim you’re making, can you provide citations?
 
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Many of us know there have been shenanigans with the numbers, and now even more people are learning about it.

CNN, Tapper Finally Discover 'Misleading' COVID Hospitalization Numbers

After playing a soundbite of Walensky admitting “up to 40 percent of the patients who are coming in with COVID are coming in not because they're sick with COVID but because they're coming in with something else,” Tapper seemed a bit surprised and called it “misleading”:

"So the hospitals are still stretched thin because of this, so I’m not trying to take away from that. But if 40 percent in some hospitals – 40 percent of the people who have COVID don't necessarily have problematic COVID, they're there because they got in a car accident. They're there because, you know, they bumped their head and they're being included as in the hospital with COVID. That number seems kind of misleading."
I think you're missing the point of this statistic. Suppose 50% of the people with Covid came in for other reasons and 50% came in because of Covid.

You've got a mix of two populations. One (as far as Covid goes) is like the general public. The other is hospitalized because of Covid.

We know vaccines are more effective against illness that causes hospitalization. Suppose it's 90% effective against hospitalization but 80% against getting the disease. You're mixing populations with 80% and 90% effectiveness. So when you look at the numbers it's going to look like it's 85% effective. I.e. the contamination of the data is making vaccines look *less* effective than they are. That's what Walensky was warning about. (My calculation is actually missing a lot of details, but the point it's making is still right.)

Of course these numbers are used for other purposes. We may want to know how Covid is affecting our hospitals. Data, even with that mix, still gives a pretty good idea about trends. If you want to know whether hospitals are nearing capacity, you don't look at Covid numbers but total people in the hospital. If the hospitals are full, they're full, no matter what number you're reporting on Covid. Unless you think it's just coincidence that they filled when there was a Covid peak.

Yes, it would be useful if hospitals would report people who are in the hospital because of Covid. But that is more complex and would have longer delays. You would need to look not just at why they came in, but whether their pneumonia, heart problems, etc, were caused by Covid. That is going to be a much harder number to get than counting test results, and would result in delays. For practical purposes, the data is OK, and for judging vaccines, it actually *underestimates* effectiveness.
 
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[quote from the below video] "In the totalitarian religion, there are the chosen people and there are the sinners. The chosen ones are those who naively believe in a paradisal future and the ability of the state to be the vehicle to effectuate this transformation. They are the pious who follow the states commands with unquestioning obedience. The sinners are the non-believers. They are the heretics who stand in the way of the so-called 'greater good', and prevent the forward march of history.

To use an analogy by the polish sociologist and philosopher Zygmunt Bauman: "The totalitarians see the earth as a garden which they are anointed to cultivate and the sinners the weeds that must be exterminated to bring about the full flowering of the totalitarian utopia." "


If you want to know why I refuse to be vaccinated it's this right here. Obedience to the god people worship called the"state" is determined by whether or not we take this vaccine (no other vaccines count).

If you want to see who the pious are versus who are the sinners in this religion, just read the article in the OP. Condolences are only offered to the pious, harassment is the lot of the families of sinners.

When you take God out of people's hearts, they worship the beast. The beast's name is"state".

This post reflects the very same attitude which the article in the OP condemns. As was pointed out in the article, people who have not taken the COVID vaccine have different reasons and different circumstances surrounding their decision. Moreover, the decision to not be vaccinated against COVID does not fully encapsulate who they were as a person, and should not be treated as a singular benchmark against which their life can be measured. To do so is to care more about a culture war than about the person, and is assigning motivations to someone, when you have no idea what their motivations were. It is tribalism on full display.

Your post is reflective of the very same behavior, the very same sin - except directed at the vaccinated group. While people might point out COVID non-vaxxers in order to put themselves in a position of superiority, many of the attitudes toward those who chose not to be vaccinated come from an inability to understand why they would choose such a senseless death which likely could have been prevented. Also, some of the attitudes come from frustration with the misinformation and conspiracy theories which are being spread.
 
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