Biden was warned of the collapse in Afghanistan - did not listen to the experts

TLK Valentine · Jan 18, 2022

hislegacy said:
Yes he did.

Peace

But as you pointed out, we had that anyway -- Biden altered the deal and the Taliban still didn't attack.

wing2000 · Jan 18, 2022

hislegacy said:
Biden is the one who not only ignored what every other President knew, he openly stated his advisors and military were 100% behind his plan and time line.

The OP proves that false.

Presidents make decisions. Inevitably, someone's advice will be heard but not followed.

The Question is: When will Biden be held accountable for his own decisions. Barack Hussein spent seven years blaming everything on Bush, so I understand where he gets it from, but when will the buck stop with him.

He is the Commander in Chief and has operational control of the military, his party has both houses of Congress and yet this was somehow beyond his control??

Held accountable for his decision? Have at it. Billions of dollars and 20 years later...what difference would another month or year or even 5 years make?

And as CnC, he made the right decision to bring our troops home.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Jan 18, 2022

wing2000 said:
....prior Presidents were given the same advice from the generals (give us more time)...along with a request for billions of dollars to train the Afghan military. Delaying another few months, or even years, would have resulted in the same outcome....with American more casualties to boot. Our military has been abused enough by this un-winnable "build Afghanistan in our image" mission.

We were supposed to get Osama bin Laden and people involved in 911. And get out of Afghanistan. I'm not sure why we didn't get out sooner than we did.

disciple Clint · Jan 19, 2022

pescador said:
But he got the people out...

Wrong. He left people behind including citizens of the United States.

disciple Clint · Jan 19, 2022

The IbanezerScrooge said:
Curious you didn't use the title of the article as the thread title because the "Didn't listen" part is just your opinion and we already know your opinion on Biden AND the article didn't even say this info was even presented to Biden (to be fair I'm sure it was at some point through the DoD). It was presented to the DoD in January. Biden didn't become president until January 20th.

Did it ever occur to you that Biden did, in fact, listen, discussed the situation with heads of the DoD and relevant other experts and weighed all of it against the agreement that had already been made with the Taliban and the effect not honoring that agreement would have and came to the conclusion that pulling out was still the best course of action?

I'm sure it didn't.

We know for a fact that his military advisors told him not to follow his plan. They testified to this fact.

disciple Clint · Jan 19, 2022

JustOneWay said:
From the OP link:

When will we lay some blame at the feet of the previous administration for Afghanistan?

there is no reason to do that Biden owns this, he made all his own decisions.

disciple Clint · Jan 19, 2022

pescador said:
Some of us already have. It was Trump who arranged the withdrawal of US troops (to occur in May!) not President Biden.

why is it that people do not understand that there were contingencies in that agreement that were not met, Biden was not bound by that agreement, that has been explained so often by the media that it is a shock that anyone would not know it.

disciple Clint · Jan 19, 2022

miamited said:
Hi all,

Well, I believe that the nation, as a whole, wanted to be out of Afghanistan. It's now done! Maybe it wasn't done the way each of us individually would have done it...but it is done. We no longer, after 20 years, have any fighting forces at risk in Afghanistan. Yes, the nation is going to revert back to the kind of government that most of the nations around it also have. It is a predominantly muslim part of the globe and pretty much every government in the middle east, save Israel, has a strong muslim flavor.

But, the war in Afghanistan is done. We're out! Now it's time to accept that whatever gripe one might have as to 'how' it was done, be put to bed. Time to move forward to the next issue. Afghanistan, as a theater of war, is over! There will not be any more body bags filled with American soldier's remains coming back from Afghanistan. It's over! It's done. We've listened to all the complaints about how poorly it was done, but it is done. Now it's time to sweep all that issue, faults and all, out the door and move on.

Now it's time for our military to refocus on finding and routing out terror cells and terrorist activities. We have the best military in the world to do that. Let's go Biden!!!!

God bless,
Ted

Well Ted it is not over and done because now we get to deal with the fact that Putin and China both saw what happened and have very little if any respect for our nation in general and Biden specifically, that could well take us to war with Russia or china who we have emboldened because of our lack of resolve and ineptitude. So it is far from over.

disciple Clint · Jan 19, 2022

JustOneWay said:
My point is that without examining the very reason for the Afghanistan pullout, it is disingenuous to just talk about Biden's failures. Every one of Biden's decisions stem from a withdraw agreement. If it was a no-win scenario for Afghanistan for America to pull out, why did the previous administration sign a withdraw agreement? If we want to understand this, we discuss it all. Simply attacking Biden is nothing more than partisan smears without examining the withdraw agreement.

You are absolute wrong. That agreement was invalid, and Biden was told by his military advisors not to do exactly what he did, Biden thought he was going to get political recognition for ending the war prior to 9/11 so he rushed the withdrawal to meet that deadline. It was foolish and it cost many lives.

disciple Clint · Jan 19, 2022

pescador said:
Apparently you don't understand the situation. Let me explain it to you. The former President (Trump) committed the United States to withdraw from Afghanistan in May; that is a legal obligation. President Biden was legally committed to that obligation, made on behalf of the United States by his predecessor.

I'm certain that if he didn't comply then all the "trumpies" would jump up and down, saying that President Biden wasn't following the law by honoring the commitment of the US government.

P.S. following the automobile analogy, if the previous owner had disconnected the tie rod, then the accident would be unavoidable.

How wrong that is. That agreement was dead and not binding on anyone, that excuse as been debunked over and over and over on every news source.

disciple Clint · Jan 19, 2022

JustOneWay said:
The reason Biden withdrew when he did was after that point, the Taliban was no longer obligated to refrain from attacking Americans (under Trump's agreement) so Biden withdrew before the attacks began again.

And we saw how well that went 13 dead service people

disciple Clint · Jan 19, 2022

JustOneWay said:
If you don't like Biden, don't vote for him! LOL

Other than that, all this weeping over Biden is starting to collect on the floor. We need a mop.

No for the posts I have answered so far we need a scoop shovel

Estrid · Jan 19, 2022

pescador said:
Some of us already have. It was Trump who arranged the withdrawal of US troops (to occur in May!) not President Biden.

Trump, as a businessman, would understand the sunk cost fallacy.

hislegacy · Jan 19, 2022

TLK Valentine said:
But as you pointed out, we had that anyway -- Biden altered the deal and the Taliban still didn't attack.

You asked what President Trump got out of the deal. I said peace. Your comment above has zero to do with that. My life

President Trumps actions gained peace and Joes action gain 13 dead. Plain and simple.

wing2000 said:
Presidents make decisions. Inevitably, someone's advice will be heard but not followed.

Biden bold face stated on national tv that his leaders were 100% in agreement with his plans.

disciple Clint said:
We know for a fact that his military advisors told him not to follow his plan. They testified to this fact.

Exactly

miamited · Jan 19, 2022

disciple Clint said:
Well Ted it is not over and done because now we get to deal with the fact that Putin and China both saw what happened and have very little if any respect for our nation in general and Biden specifically, that could well take us to war with Russia or china who we have emboldened because of our lack of resolve and ineptitude. So it is far from over.

Hi @disciple Clint

So you say. I suppose they've just been taunting us since we left Vietnam in disgrace. Sometimes reading tea leaves isn't the best way to look into the future. I'm not sure why we would go to war with Russia or China, but I honestly doubt they lie awake at night figuring out attacks just because of our withdrawal from Afghanistan, but hey, I've been wrong before.

God bless,
Ted

durangodawood · Jan 19, 2022

disciple Clint said:
Well Ted it is not over and done because now we get to deal with the fact that Putin and China both saw what happened and have very little if any respect for our nation in general and Biden specifically, that could well take us to war with Russia or china who we have emboldened because of our lack of resolve and ineptitude. So it is far from over.

Or they could see us as disentangling from uselessly fighting 20 year insurgencies in order to focus on actual threats to the republic.

hislegacy · Jan 19, 2022

disciple Clint said:
Well Ted it is not over and done because now we get to deal with the fact that Putin and China both saw what happened and have very little if any respect for our nation in general and Biden specifically, that could well take us to war with Russia or china who we have emboldened because of our lack of resolve and ineptitude. So it is far from over.

You have hit the nail on the head, as evidenced by the actions of Russia, China and North Korea since the Biden debacle in Afghanistan.

To wit:

Russia continues to amass new troops near Ukraine's border despite Biden urging Putin to de-escalate tensions - CNNPolitics

China flies 19 nuke jets into Taiwan air space for 'WW3 invasion' war games

North Korea fires missiles again amid unusual flurry of tests

JustOneWay · Jan 19, 2022

disciple Clint said:
No for the posts I have answered so far we need a scoop shovel

The attempt to make this Benghazi II for Biden is apparent, and pathetic. The consensus is that a withdraw from Afghanistan was inevitable, and something always goes wrong. Why didn't Trump withdraw during his four years? I suspect he did not want to have the bad PR which Biden is now taking from partisans like you. This 'crisis' is manufactured outrage, shallow and partisan. We see it for what it is.

hislegacy · Jan 19, 2022

JustOneWay said:
The attempt to make this Benghazi II for Biden is apparent, and pathetic. The consensus is that a withdraw from Afghanistan was inevitable, and something always goes wrong. Why didn't Trump withdraw during his four years? I suspect he did not want to have the bad PR which Biden is now taking from partisans like you. This 'crisis' is manufactured outrage, shallow and partisan. We see it for what it is.

but Trump……. It does not change the fact of what you already admitted to. Biden failed.

There is no Benghazi boogeyman. Saigon part 2 maybe, but no Benghazi.

JustOneWay · Jan 19, 2022

hislegacy said:
but Trump……. It does not change the fact of what you already admitted to. Biden failed.

There is no Benghazi boogeyman. Saigon part 2 maybe, but no Benghazi.

I only said that how a parent might just give in at times to one of their children in order for them to go and play quietly. We know that never works, but it was worth a shot.

Yes, this is your version of the Benghazi witch hunt.

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