Getting lost during Divine Liturgy

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Hello, I am new to the Orthodox Church. I have attended probably five services and I never fail to get lost part way through, then it is hard to figure out where I am supposed to be. I will be following along in the pamphlet, then it is just like they switch to something that isn't on the paper and then I don't know where they are at for the rest of the service.

Any advice on being able to follow along better and not get lost for a new person?
 

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What I did early on was follow along in a book that had the printed words for each step. You may, or may not want to spend money on a book of that kind, and if not I'd go with Fr. Matt's suggestion. Ask the priest as he may have something for you to read, and follow along with. In hindsight I'd say paying attention with, or without the book is helpful, and is the most important thing.

Here are a few links with books that may be helpful.

Divine Liturgy Prayer Book (abridged edition)

https://www.amazon.com/Divine-Liturgy-Explained-Nicholas-Elias/dp/B004C7U8B8

The Divine Liturgy of St. John Chysostom
 
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Thanks for the replies, I thought there might be a book that could help. There is an eldery Greek guy at the Church that doesn't have the best English and he follows along at the same time with a book, so I will check those out.
 
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Thanks for the replies, I thought there might be a book that could help. There is an eldery Greek guy at the Church that doesn't have the best English and he follows along at the same time with a book, so I will check those out.

just keep in mind that the Liturgy isn’t meant to be read, even in how it’s written.
 
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just keep in mind that the Liturgy isn’t meant to be read, even in how it’s written.

Can you clarify? I'm not sure what you mean. I feel like I need to read something to follow along, because being completely new, I don't understand everything or have everything memorised yet.
 
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Sometimes it helped me to look at a structure of the liturgy beforehand and have that on hand in case I got confused. I know the OCA has that structure for Vespers, but I’m not sure if they have that for the Divine Liturgy. It provides a balance of not reading but still having the ability to follow along.
 
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Regarding my post above, here is an example of a read ahead. That section starts after the description from St Justin Martyr.

The Divine Liturgy Explained

You could take just the headers and put them into a printable page. I’ll try to find an example of that.
 
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Can you clarify? I'm not sure what you mean. I feel like I need to read something to follow along, because being completely new, I don't understand everything or have everything memorised yet.
I understand how you feel about that. I agree with Fr Matt, but it did help me to read the liturgy text alongside the service. Coming from my background, I wanted to know exactly what was happening and when, and also wanted to sing everything or say whatever was said at the right time.

It also is really important though to just soak in the service, and not be following the text directly. It’s ok if you don’t know every word or have it all memorized - or even if you don’t say everything alongside everyone.

Having an outline beside you is a good compromise between the direct text and not reading the liturgy. Phronema’s suggestion is good for the direct following of the text though. I highly recommend though taking some times to not directly read or follow the text, and just listen and experience the services.
 
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Ask the priest if there is someone who could sit with you. If you are coming from a non-liturgical background, the services can be a bit overwhelming. If you are there for Matins, this service changes every week. In that case, ask the chanters if you could stand with them. If you do that at my church, we'll put you to work! ^_^
 
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Can you clarify? I'm not sure what you mean. I feel like I need to read something to follow along, because being completely new, I don't understand everything or have everything memorised yet.

because some words match with what the clergy/laity are doing, so it’s best to hear the words while the action is going on.
 
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Having an outline beside you is a good compromise between the direct text and not reading the liturgy. Phronema’s suggestion is good for the direct following of the text though. I highly recommend though taking some times to not directly read or follow the text, and just listen and experience the services.

I completely agree. It morphed into soaking it in after a few times with the book, and it got to the point where I didn't use the book at all. That said we have those books available at the church in the nave, and so I didn't have to buy anything, but it was helpful for me early on as an inquirer.
 
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I can use all the advice, I am trying to become competent in all this. I was raised Baptist, so not liturgical at all. I did try out a MO Synod Lutheran and a RC Church before this. The Lutheran Church seemed way too modernised and the Catholic one was a no go because the Second Vatican, current pope, and never ending scandal turned me away.

The teachings of the Orthodox church are what have drawn me to it, and I agree with what I have studied so far. I also recognise that my opinion isn't what is important, because my opinion has no guarantee of being correct, and logically "if it aint broke, don't fix it" came to mind. How can Christianity that stayed true to the source and origin be less accurate than denominations created over a thousand years later?

After I read the new testament a few times and reflected, I realised "Once saved always saved" was not something I believed at all. I had been baptised, recognised Christ as Lord, and sincerely asked for forgiveness. I also went on a few years after that to live a hedonistic lifestyle, become depressed, and decide either God wasn't real or if he was I hated him.

Thank God I came back to my senses before it was too late. I reflected and thought "yeah, I don't think for a second I was still "saved" while in that condition."

Anyway, thanks for all the tips.
 
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Hello, I am new to the Orthodox Church. I have attended probably five services and I never fail to get lost part way through, then it is hard to figure out where I am supposed to be. I will be following along in the pamphlet, then it is just like they switch to something that isn't on the paper and then I don't know where they are at for the rest of the service.

Any advice on being able to follow along better and not get lost for a new person?
You are probably getting lost when the hymns for the feast day are being chanted. While most of the Divine Liturgy is the same every week, because we follow a liturgical calendar, every day is a particular feast day (or fast day) and different Saints or events in the life of Christ and the Church are commemorated each day. Those hymns are different every day so they are not printed in the pamphlet or book of the Divine Liturgy as that would be impractical.

At a Russian skete where we attend services, the building they had been using for services had recently been condemned by the council. Because another building was still in the process of being converted into a chapel, our priest-monk managed to convince the local council to allow us to continue using the building for services in the mean time, but they only allowed it to be used on Sundays.

"And feast days", pleaded our priest-monk.

"Alright. Sundays and feast days."

When telling us how he managed to negotiate this agreement, he would break into a cheeky smile and say, "little do they know that EVERY DAY is a feast day in the Orthodox Church.
 
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You are probably getting lost when the hymns for the feast day are being chanted. While most of the Divine Liturgy is the same every week, because we follow a liturgical calendar, every day is a particular feast day (or fast day) and different Saints or events in the life of Christ and the Church are commemorated each day. Those hymns are different every day so they are not printed in the pamphlet or book of the Divine Liturgy as that would be impractical.

I think you might be correct, I will need to watch for that.
 
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I think you might be correct, I will need to watch for that.

These hymns occur during the Small Entrance where the priest will carry the Gospels out from behind the iconostasis and before the readings of the Apostles and Gospel.

Resurrection Hymn of the week
Hymn of the day, feast, saint
Hymn of the parish saint or event
Kontakion (another hymn of the day)

Brian
 
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My first time at Vespers I felt like I was lost in the Mojave Desert the book was so confusing…^_^ one minute they’re on page 8 then they’re on page 21….^_^

And then back to page 9!
 
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