Biden was warned of the collapse in Afghanistan - did not listen to the experts

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Joe had every right to move the withdrawals from May to August. That same right could have been used to move the date back to where his commanders and advisors were telling him.

....prior Presidents were given the same advice from the generals (give us more time)...along with a request for billions of dollars to train the Afghan military. Delaying another few months, or even years, would have resulted in the same outcome....with American more casualties to boot. Our military has been abused enough by this un-winnable "build Afghanistan in our image" mission.
 
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Apparently you don't understand the situation. Let me explain it to you. The former President (Trump) committed the United States to withdraw from Afghanistan in May; that is a legal obligation. President Biden was legally committed to that obligation, made on behalf of the United States by his predecessor.

I'm certain that if he didn't comply then all the "trumpies" would jump up and down, saying that President Biden wasn't following the law by honoring the commitment of the US government.

P.S. following the automobile analogy, if the previous owner had disconnected the tie rod, then the accident would be unavoidable.


I am aware of the situation that Biden inherited. You claim Biden had a legal obligation to withdraw from Afghanistan in May. Yet Biden did not fulfill that supposed legal obligation by withdrawing in May, did he? So how then could what Biden did after not fulfilling the promises Trump made be in any way Trump's fault. Trump had no say whatsoever in the time or the manner in which we withdrew. There is no way of knowing how any withdrawal would have proceeded if Trump had been in charge instead of Biden. Perhaps the withdrawal would have been better or perhaps just as bad. Worse is hard to imagine but blaming Trump for Biden's incompetence is not a reasonable thing to do.

AFAIK nothing a President promises a foreign entity is legally binding on the United States without the approval of Congress. This is why Trump could legally withdraw from the Paris Accords and from the Agreement with Iran. AFAIK there was no formal legally binding treaty between the Taliban (which at the time was only a terrorist organization and not a sovereign state.) and the United States.
 
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....prior Presidents were given the same advice from the generals (give us more time)...along with a request for billions of dollars to train the Afghan military. Delaying another few months, or even years, would have resulted in the same outcome....with American more casualties to boot. Our military has been abused enough by this un-winnable "build Afghanistan in our image" mission.

Biden is the one who not only ignored what every other President knew, he openly stated his advisors and military were 100% behind his plan and time line.

The OP proves that false.


You know what so sad about this is.. there are still people left there and no one but far as I know STILL talks about it but one network.

The Question is: When will Biden be held accountable for his own decisions. Barack Hussein spent seven years blaming everything on Bush, so I understand where he gets it from, but when will the buck stop with him.

He is the Commander in Chief and has operational control of the military, his party has both houses of Congress and yet this was somehow beyond his control??
 
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KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — Months before President Joe Biden announced the U.S.’s complete withdrawal from Afghanistan last year, Washington’s watchdog warned that the Afghan air force would collapse without critical American aid, training and maintenance. The report was declassified Tuesday.

The report by the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction John Sopko, submitted to the Department of Defense in January 2021, underscores that American authorities had been alerted that Afghanistan’s air force did not have the capabilities to survive after a U.S. withdrawal. In particular, the report points to U.S. failure to train Afghan support staff, leaving the air force unable to maintain its aircraft without American contractors.



****Please Note: The subject of the thread is BIDEN and what he knew**** Please do not attempt to derail the thread.
Why did Bush send forces in there in the first place? They got their limbs blown off by IED’s. The U.S. spent $2 trillion defending a corrupt Islamic State and opium growing peasants. Trump made a deadline for leaving Afghanistan. Is Fox News saying the U.S. should have stayed spending hundreds of billions of dollars of tax payers money for nothing? The State Department warned people, most got out. Some people did not want the government telling them what to do and stayed behind.
 
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Why did Bush send forces in there in the first place? They got their limbs blown off by IED’s. The U.S. spent $2 trillion defending a corrupt Islamic State and opium growing peasants. Trump made a deadline for leaving Afghanistan. Is Fox News saying the U.S. should have stayed spending hundreds of billions of dollars of tax payers money for nothing? The State Department warned people, most got out. Some people did not want the government telling them what to do and stayed behind.
But, but....BIDEN!
 
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Some of us already have. It was Trump who arranged the withdrawal of US troops (to occur in May!) not President Biden.

Exactly -- And the reason that the Taliban weren't attacking US forces in the past year was because Donald was able to appease them with the promise of a full retreat.

So what would happen if President Biden didn't abide by the retreat agreement? The Taliban would've started attacking US forces again.

And what would the GOP in Congress have demanded in order to protect the troops under fire? More troops, of course... perfectly reasonable, but that would mean that instead of a withdrawal, Afghanistan would have been escalated.

Lose-lose, really.
 
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Biden set aside the political ramifications that three previous presidents obsessed over. He accomplished something America needed for ten years. Afghanistan is no longer a money pit for American taxpayers. I am grateful to have a president actually represent the interests of us citizens for a change. Thank you Mr president for actually doing your job. We do not elect presidents to cater to one party. We elect them to do OUR bidding as one nation. If voters keep insisting on voting for a party, we get politicians who are only concerned with their own party. And we are witnessing the ineffectiveness of this polarized tribalism in congress today.
 
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Other than that, all this weeping over Biden is starting to collect on the floor. We need a mop.

I was going to suggest some thick boots.
 
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KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) Washington’s watchdog warned that the Afghan air force would collapse without critical American aid, training and maintenance.

if the Afghan force wasn't able to be trained in ALL the years the Americans & other countries were there, then there was something seriously wrong with the Afghan forces, wouldn't you say?

I applaud Biden for getting us out, finally

citizens had plenty of warning about leaving the country
up to them to get their paperwork in order
 
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Exactly -- And the reason that the Taliban weren't attacking US forces in the past year was because Donald was able to appease them with the promise of a full retreat.

How many Taliban attacks happened when BIDEN did NOT withdraw by the May deadline Trump made?

Answer: none

When does responsibility go with the current commander in chief and not the one that was out of office For eight months before and had zero ability to do anything.

It was Biden who had full operational control
It was Biden who was the Commander in Chief
It was Biden who disregarded his military advisors
It was Biden who disregarded our ally’s calls for help
It was Biden who promised not to leave until everyone was out.

Just like his predecessor, Biden had the ability to change the timeline. He already did it once from May to September.

It was Biden who failed
 
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How many Taliban attacks happened when BIDEN did NOT withdraw by the May deadline Trump made?

Answer: none

Which is interesting, don't you think? Donald truly got nothing out of his deal.

When does responsibility go with the current commander in chief and not the one that was out of office For eight months before and had zero ability to do anything.

It was Biden who had full operational control
It was Biden who was the Commander in Chief
It was Biden who disregarded his military advisors
It was Biden who disregarded our ally’s calls for help
It was Biden who promised not to leave until everyone was out.

Just like his predecessor, Biden had the ability to change the timeline. He already did it once from May to September.

It was Biden who failed

Bush, Obama, Donald, Biden.... the failure was a team effort -- Afghanistan was a no-win situation from the start.
 
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if the Afghan force wasn't able to be trained in ALL the years the Americans & other countries were there, then there was something seriously wrong with the Afghan forces, wouldn't you say?

I applaud Biden for getting us out, finally

citizens had plenty of warning about leaving the country
up to them to get their paperwork in order
Biden took their ability to learn how to defend themselves. Drat that Biden :sigh:
 
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We already know how the comments would go depending on which option Biden took.

Biden withdraws US Forces - "Biden is bad, he should have supported the Afghan military for longer"
Biden takes longer to pull out - "Biden responsible for the deaths of US troops!"
Biden refuses to pull out - "Biden is getting the US into a war it cannot win and wasting taxpayer dollars!"
 
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Hi @hislegacy

He was legally bound to pulling out in May, huh?

I can't really speak to the 'legalness' of the agreement, but...

The United States of America has generally been trusted to do what it says, internationally. When we make an agreement between nations, we have generally been expected to, and in fact have, held to our agreement. The former guy made a hard agreement with the Taliban to pull all U.S. troops in May and the Taliban agreed to it. They then told us that if we didn't honor that agreement that trouble would be forthcoming. They would begin attacking all U.S. forces left in country.

Now some proud idiot living here in the comfort of his living room might say to himself, "Well, we're the toughest SOB's on the face of the earth, let 'em try to attack our forces." But cooler heads would understand that attacks from the Taliban can be troublesome and would certainly cause American deaths. Pres. Biden was able to get the Taliban to agree to hold off for another few months, but the pull out was always the end goal. If we had not honored that commitment, being it legal or not, then the Taliban forces would have set out to continue the war.

Up until the former guy's administration, the U.S. sticking to its agreements was something that other nations counted on, and now can again.

God bless.
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