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Convert from the past year or so here, I suffer from obsessive compulsive disorder and what might be described as intrusive thoughts. Recently I had kind of a crisis of faith; I perceived a thought that was something like, this is your last chance. By not doing something, you've rejected Jesus. The following day, I asked someone not particularly familiar with Scripture what they thought of assurance of salvation and as they pointed at me and quoted Jesus from the Last Supper a comparison was made to Judas in an attempt to imply anybody could be forgiven. The person I was talking with obviously wasn't familiar with that Scripture, and the comparison really gnawed at me. I was physically sick for days at the thought of possibly not being forgivable. I saw so many people struggling with similar fears on sites like this. Here is the conclusion that dawned on me. Obviously, if any good comes from this, it is God's.

If you really suspect you're unforgivable, you are left with only three possible outcomes.
  • Imagine that it is not true. You can still be saved. Have faith in Jesus.
  • Imagine that it is true. You could accept defeat, and you would have lost faith.
  • Imagine that it is true. You have another option, to have faith anyway, hope there is some way still to be forgiven, and believe Jesus will save you. That's faith.
If you'll notice, this is the same predicament you were already in before you feared being potentially unforgivable. The answer is still faith in Jesus! The only answer is to do what you already had to do anyway. So even if you fear, BELIEVE. It's the only way in the first place.
 

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I suffer from obsessive compulsive disorder and what might be described as intrusive thoughts.

May I point you to a free online help site:-
International OCD Foundation | 25 Tips for Succeeding in Your OCD Treatment

Pont 4 deals with intrusive thoughts.

You appear to have reasoned your way through your doubts, may I reasure you that doubts and questioning ones belief is OK.
Any sin is in not resolving any doubts or questions.

Lastly, Welcome to the forum.
 
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Thank you. Another thought, I don't really know the exact answers on a lot of questions, but I was considering the faith and works question. If you look at anyone you'd consider to be the next best two people in history and compared them, you could make comparisons to say which one was better. So even though we should strive to be loving it seems like only Jesus/God can really be perfect.
 
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Convert from the past year or so here, I suffer from obsessive compulsive disorder and what might be described as intrusive thoughts. Recently I had kind of a crisis of faith; I perceived a thought that was something like, this is your last chance. By not doing something, you've rejected Jesus. The following day, I asked someone not particularly familiar with Scripture what they thought of assurance of salvation and as they pointed at me and quoted Jesus from the Last Supper a comparison was made to Judas in an attempt to imply anybody could be forgiven. The person I was talking with obviously wasn't familiar with that Scripture, and the comparison really gnawed at me. I was physically sick for days at the thought of possibly not being forgivable. I saw so many people struggling with similar fears on sites like this. Here is the conclusion that dawned on me. Obviously, if any good comes from this, it is God's.

If you really suspect you're unforgivable, you are left with only three possible outcomes.
  • Imagine that it is not true. You can still be saved. Have faith in Jesus.
  • Imagine that it is true. You could accept defeat, and you would have lost faith.
  • Imagine that it is true. You have another option, to have faith anyway, hope there is some way still to be forgiven, and believe Jesus will save you. That's faith.
If you'll notice, this is the same predicament you were already in before you feared being potentially unforgivable. The answer is still faith in Jesus! The only answer is to do what you already had to do anyway. So even if you fear, BELIEVE. It's the only way in the first place.
This is very good advice! OCD/scrupulosity likes us to go round and round on "unsolvable" questions, but you're right - the best and really the only way is FORWARD, focusing on our choice to follow Jesus no matter what our brains are trying to trip us up with.
 
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