Why Is It Bad If I Don't Get Vaccinated?

SkyWriting said:

The statistics are related to the percentage in the community vaccinated.
If 100% in the community are vaccinated then 100% in the ICU will be
vaccinated as well as 100% of the deaths.

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This is a good point. About two-thirds of Americans are vaccinated. Which gives us a means to check effectiveness of the vaccines. If the vaccines had no benefit whatever, you would see two-thirds of COVID patients in ICUs to be unvaccinated. In fact, only about a tenth of them are vaccinated, and ninety percent of them unvaccinated. It's impossible to dodge the conclusion that the vaccinations work very, very well.

So don't count on simple measures or statistics.

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Seems like a rather obvious conclusion, given the facts.

SkyWriting said:

Each hospital has it's own specialties. Some are in the city, others are rural.
It's wrong to assume that all other factors are equal when making comparisons.

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ummmm dude that's ALL cases. Not a single hospital.

Torah Keeper said:

Isn't that what is happening with the flu and covid? Excuses excuses...

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You do know different diseases mutate at a different rate right? Thats why chicken pox other then risk of shingles your immune to chicken pox your entire life once you get it, or the vaccine, same with measels and such because they don't mutate fast enough it's literally basic biology.

loveofourlord said:

we have no vaccine, because HIV mutates too fast.

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That's part of it. Another issue is that HIV can insert itself into T-cells and hide out there, to reappear later and again become active. It's a very tough virus to deal with.

loveofourlord said:

ummmm dude that's ALL cases. Not a single hospital.

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So what are you confused about?

The Barbarian said:

This is a good point. About two-thirds of Americans are vaccinated. Which gives us a means to check effectiveness of the vaccines. If the vaccines had no benefit whatever, you would see two-thirds of COVID patients in ICUs to be unvaccinated. In fact, only about a tenth of them are vaccinated, and ninety percent of them unvaccinated. It's impossible to dodge the conclusion that the vaccinations work very, very well.

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I know that vaccines work well and that many statistics don't.

SkyWriting said:

So what are you confused about?

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Ummm I'm not your the ones that seems confused in thinking that pointing out that unvaccinated are over represented in ALL hospitals in my province shows that vaccines work wich was my point. Your the one that brought up unrelated nonsense about specialty hospitals.

This is worth considering:

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The takeaway? Omicron is much less virulent than previous variants, but much more infectious. Which suggests that isolation, masking and similar controls will be less effective, and vaccination will be more important. It looks at this point that most if not all of us will eventually be infected. But if the numbers continue as they are, those who are not vaccinated can expect to die at a rate about nine times that of vaccinated people.

SkyWriting said:

I know that vaccines work well and that many statistics don't.

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Statistics are just math. It always works. But just as a lousy mathematician can make computational or logical errors, so can a lousy statistician. The saying goes, figures don't lie, but liars often figure.

Look at that foolish comparison of numbers of vaccinated and unvaccinated people in ICUs. It made no sense until on considered the proportion of each in the population. In New South Wales, where now nearly 95% of people are vaccinated, it's not surprising that nearly 50% of hospitalized patients have been vaccinated. If the vaccines didn't work, you would see about 95% of them to be vaccinated.

expos4ever said:

In other words, you made up the connection between these deaths and the vaccine

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The Lame Stream Media will probably announce it in 12 months. Then you'll admit it, but will conveniently forget most of us were aware now.

Thera said:

The Lame Stream Media will probably announce it in 12 months. Then you'll admit it, but will conveniently forget most of us were aware now.

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"Aware" isn't the word for those who are tossing out all kinds of stories about vaccines that they cannot support with any facts at all. Can you point to even one FDA-approved vaccine that later turned out to have unrecognized harmful effects?

If you're "aware", why can't you provide any evidence at all for it? That's not "awareness", it's fear of the boogeyman.

Thera said:

The Lame Stream Media will probably announce it in 12 months. Then you'll admit it, but will conveniently forget most of us were aware now.

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Again, you made up the connection between the vaccines and the illnesses.

Shouldn't that bother you?

I believe if I don’t know I have risk of health problems not in great risk I should no more take vaccine updates as it is participating in new world order to allow for it to happen by people participation for God would not let me die if I am not ready because I am not at known risk and because He can He should protect me if I am not ready to die because He can. If He protects me it is so that there is a remnant to resist the order to prevent it for now not to come now if many are not participating anymore it would have to come at another time as we obey God to resist it. But one must weigh risk if the virus has a great risk ever you can’t take risk it is testing God as you know you don’t have great survival chance.

mikeforjesus said:

I believe if I don’t know I have risk of health problems not in great risk I should no more take vaccine updates as it is participating in new world order to allow for it to happen by people participation for God would not let me die if I am not ready because I am not at known risk and because He can

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Matthew 4:6 6“If You are the Son of God,” he said, “throw Yourself down. For it is written: ‘He will command His angels concerning You, and they will lift You up in their hands, so that You will not strike Your foot against a stone.’ ”7 Jesus said to him, “It is written again, ‘You shall not tempt the LORD your God.’ ”

The Barbarian said:

"Aware" isn't the word for those who are tossing out all kinds of stories about vaccines that they cannot support with any facts at all. Can you point to even one FDA-approved vaccine that later turned out to have unrecognized harmful effects?

If you're "aware", why can't you provide any evidence at all for it? That's not "awareness", it's fear of the boogeyman.

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If we aren't aware, why will it be clear in future that we were right?

Thera said:

If we aren't aware, why will it be clear in future that we were right?

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Here, you're assuming what you proposed to prove. Less imaginative fluffiness, and more evidence, please.

The Barbarian said:

Statistics are just math. It always works. But just as a lousy mathematician can make computational or logical errors, so can a lousy statistician. The saying goes, figures don't lie, but liars often figure.

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Lies, damn lies and statistics!

Statistics are just math. It always works. But just as a lousy mathematician can make computational or logical errors, so can a lousy statistician.

GreekOrthodox said:

Lies, damn lies and statistics!

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The first known attribution was Mark Twain, who had dropped out of school at 12. He educated himself to an admirable degree,but remained completely ignorant of higher math including statistics, as that quote suggests.

Math always works. Statistics always work. Which is not to say that ignorant or unscrupulous people will not present faulty reasoning in their calculations. A good example is the presentation that (29% or 49.5%, depending on who's telling the story) of the COVID-19 patients hospitalized in New South Wales are vaccinated. This sounds like a problem for vaccines, until one realizes that nearly 95% of people in New South Wales are vaccinated. If the vaccine did not protect people at all, we would expect about 95% of the patients to be vaccinated. So that statistic is a very solid indication that the vaccine provides very good protection against serious illness.

A more realistic aphorism is "figures don't lie, but liars often figure."

Unvaccinated in Wisconsin hospitalized at 10x higher rate, died at 14x higher rate in December

Wisconsin's latest:
For every 100,000 fully vaccinated people in Wisconsin there were:

1,573.2 confirmed infections
18.5 hospitalizations
3.6 deaths

For every 100,000 unvaccinated, or not-fully vaccinated, people there were:

4,746.4 confirmed infections
176.4 hospitalizations
50.8 deaths

The Barbarian said:

Matthew 4:6 6“If You are the Son of God,” he said, “throw Yourself down. For it is written: ‘He will command His angels concerning You, and they will lift You up in their hands, so that You will not strike Your foot against a stone.’ ”7 Jesus said to him, “It is written again, ‘You shall not tempt the LORD your God.’ ”

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I am not sure I agree it is testing God because if person does not have any risk if person is worried I believe God should protect because person is seeking to glorify God name believing such pleases God and is most just as person means well and is worried about other souls to prevent bad but incase since I do not know I believe we should not take risk as I don’t know.