YHVH Is The Father AND The Son, as One In the Spirit

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As the Son of God, Jesus was able to always "see" what His Father was doing.
John 5:19 Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son
can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son
also does in like manner.

All He had to do was speak into nature what He saw His Father doing from the heavenlies,
and therefore He was in effect "prophesying His Father's work".

Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do
not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus.
Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

King David, under the Messianic anointing, was also able to "see" and describe this work
of God in nature.

Psalms 107:
23
Those who go down to the sea in ships,
Who do business on great waters,
24 They see the works of the Lord,
And His wonders in the deep.
25 For He commands and raises the stormy wind,
Which lifts up the waves of the sea.
26 They mount up to the heavens,
They go down again to the depths;
Their soul melts because of trouble.
27 They reel to and fro, and stagger like a drunken man,
And are at their wits’ end.
28 Then they cry out to the Lord in their trouble,
And He brings them out of their distresses.
29 He calms the storm,
So that its waves are still.

30 Then they are glad because they are quiet;
So He guides them to their desired haven.
31 Oh, that men would give thanks to the Lord for His goodness,
And for His wonderful works to the children of men!
32 Let them exalt Him also in the assembly of the people,
And praise Him in the company of the elders.

Interesting that YHVH, which is translated "the Lord", is debated as to whether
this is God the Father or God the Son. Because the Son is described as "the mediator
between God and man", it has to always speak of both. For the power of God manifests
through the Son, the word of God.

1 Timothy 2:
3
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men,
the Man Christ Jesus
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6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time....
 

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John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

2 John 1:9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God.
He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.

John 14
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7 If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on
you know Him and have seen Him.

8 Philip said to Him, Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.
9 Jesus said to him, Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip?
He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

1 John 2:
22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies
the Father and the Son.
23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges
the Son has the Father also.
24 Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard
from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.
 
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YHVH is the Son, not THE Father

Zechariah 12:
8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem;
(MY NOTE: LORD = Jehovah & He's the Son of God/God the Son)

9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that ""I"" will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
(MY NOTE: The pronoun "I" is referring to above verse/8. The LORD/God/Jehovah)

10 And ""I"" will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon ""me"" whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
(MY NOTE: Pronouns "I" & "me" are referring to the LORD/Jehovah. The LORD/Jehovah/God the Son/Son of God the Father: will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem. And they shall look upon """me""" whom they have PIERCED & and they shall mourn for him they PIERCED, as one mourneth for his only son/JESUS!)

Jesus The Christ is the Son God/God The Son & our Creator (2 Cor 5:21, Heb 1:2,8,10, 1 Jn 3:5, 1 Pet 1:19 & 2:22). So, as our creator the Title of Father is applicable.

Jesus is not THE Father, Jesus is THE Father's Son.

Scripture proclaims: The Father, Son & Holy Spirit are all God.

Father is God: Jn 6:27, Rom 1:7, 1 Pet 1:2

Son is God: Isa 7:14 & 9:6, Micah 5:2, Matt 1:23, Jn 1:1 & 20:28, 1 Tim 3:16 Titus 2:13 Rom 9:5 Rev 1:8.

Holy Spirit is God: Ps 139:7-8, Acts 5:3-4 & 13:2, Eph 4:30, 1 Cor 2:10-11, 3:16, 12:4-7, 2 Cor 13:14

God the Son/Jesus the Christ, pre-existed prior the his incarnation & is our Genesis 1, Creator/God.

Find 3 post resurrection verses where God the Son SAT DOWN at the right hand of God the Father Mk 16:19, Heb 1:3, Heb 10:12. BTW He doesn't sit down next to himself

God the Father sends God the Son:
Jn 3:16, 5:23, 30, 36 & 37, 6:38 & 39, 6:57, 8:42, 10;36, 12:49

God the Father gives to God the Son:
Jn 3:35, 5:22 & 26, 6:37&39, 10:29, 13:3 16:28

If the Father & Son are the same person, what's the point in any of the following verses? Everyone of these verses were written POST RESURRECTION!

Gal 1:1 & 3, Eph 6:23, Php 2:11, 1 Th 1:1, 2 Ti 1:2, Tit 1:4, 1 Pe 1:2, 2 Pe 1:17, 2 Jn 1:3, Jud 1:1 Jude

And finally: Pay special attention vs 28!

1 Corinthians 15:
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

When all is complete/fulfilled (after the white throne). The Son will what? SUBJECT, ALL THINGS INCLUDING HIMSELF, unto (himself?) NO! unto the Father, that gave them to him. In our universe/realm Christ will FOREVER remain King of Kings & Lord of Lords. Why? Because the Father, rewarded his just works. And has GIVEN ALL THINGS WITHIN OUR UNIVERSE TO HIM, FOREVER!

Finally ONE:
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

The Hebrew word Echad translates to ONE. However, echad/one, means UNITY not SINGULARITY.

Another example of echad: Gen 2:24 echad speaks about the husband & wife being ONE flesh. Husband & wife aren't a singular being. They are in unity with each other.

There is another Hebrew word, YACHID, this word means ABSOLUTE SINGULARITY. Yachid is never used as a reference to God.
 
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If the Father & Son are the same person, what's the point in any of the following verses? Everyone of these verses were written POST RESURRECTION!
No where in the OP is it stated that the Father and Son are the same person.
The OP is about the significance of the name YHVH given to Israel by covenant.
The title YHVH was given for a particular purpose.


Exodus 3:15 [OJB] And Elohim said moreover unto Moshe, Thus shalt thou say unto Bnei Yisroel: Hashem, Elohei Avoteichem, Elohei Avraham, Elohei Yitzchak, and Elohei Ya’akov, hath sent me unto you: this is Shemi l’olam, and this is My remembrance unto all generations.

I use the Orthodox Jewish Bible translation because zeker is correctly translated remembrance.
Most modern translations, and the KJV refer to a Memorial Name, which clouds the significance.
The name of remembrance is given for the people of God to call upon Him, to be remembered.
For example:

Deuteronomy 4:7 For what great nation is there that has God so near to it, as the Lord our God
is to us, for whatever reason we may call upon Him?
Psalms 50:
14
Offer to God thanksgiving, and pay your vows to the Most High.
15 Call upon Me in the day of trouble; I will deliver you, and you shall glorify Me.

Therefore, when Judge, or King, or High Priest, or righteous one called upon the name
of remembrance, who do you think heard? The Father, The Son, the Holy Spirit? Yes.
You can make a solid point that the words spoken to Israel by Law or testimony are by
the Son of God, but they originate with the Father. The title YHVH, the name of remembrance,
conveys the Father and the Son, as One in the Spirit.
 
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The title YHVH, the name of remembrance, conveys the Father and the Son, as One in the Spirit.

The Son/Word is sent by the Father. The Son is creator & only the Son speaks to & deals directly with man. The OT LORD/YHVH is the Son. He's is One with the Father & NOT the Father. Best wishes, JJ
 
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"We worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity, neither confusing the Persons, nor dividing the Substance" - The Athanasian Creed

"I am YHWH your God who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery, you shall have no gods before Me." - Exodus 20:2-3

"I am YHWH, and there is no other, besides Me there is no God" - Isaiah 45:5

There is only one God, the Trinity.
There is only one God, YHWH.

The Father is YHWH.
The Son is YHWH.
The Holy Spirit is YHWH.

One God, three Persons.

"Hear O Israel, YHWH our God, YHWH is one." - Deuteronomy 6:4

One God, three Persons.

YHWH is three Persons: the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.

YHWH is the one God, worshiped in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity, neither confusing the Persons, nor dividing the Substance.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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