Why does Matthew 22:30 cause me SO MUCH PAIN?

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I came up with the doctrine of "intermediate compensation time." A time between death on Earth and the New Heaven and Earth in which I am compensated for what I've missed on Earth and get to do good things I never got to do on Earth, like sexual relations and romantic intimacy, not to mention missing a trip or missing out on food.
If I never get to have sex, that means sexual desire is wasted. The only purpose of sexual desire is to have sexual relations. It's that simple.

Except there's really nothing concrete to support any sort of doctrine like that in the bible.

in fact, biblically we don't even have bodies in the intermediate state, so no, there won't be any physical affection in the intermediate state because there's no physical anything. Revelation 6:9-11 distinguishes these people as souls, rather than as people (later in Revelation 7 that distinction is not there) so John wasn't seeing people bodily in heaven, just spirits.
 
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Isaiah 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

3 Do not let the son of the foreigner
Who has joined himself to the Lord
Speak, saying,
“The Lord has utterly separated me from His people”;
Nor let the eunuch say,
“Here I am, a dry tree.

4 For thus says the Lord:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,
5 Even to them I will give in My house
And within My walls a place and a name
Better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name
That shall not be cut off.
 
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Isaiah 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

3 Do not let the son of the foreigner
Who has joined himself to the Lord
Speak, saying,
“The Lord has utterly separated me from His people”;
Nor let the eunuch say,
“Here I am, a dry tree.

4 For thus says the Lord:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,
5 Even to them I will give in My house
And within My walls a place and a name
Better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name
That shall not be cut off.

Yeah to be honest, I don't want a monument to my virginity.
 
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Yeah to be honest, I don't want a monument to my virginity.

I think you missed the whole point I was trying to convey. Do you think you are the only one who has had a raw deal in this life? As long as you are focused on your own plight you cannot do what Jesus said to do.
I understand dealing with an affliction that seems to have no end. Hope deferred make the heart sick. It is easy to become bitter and cynical. That is exactly how the enemy want you to feel so you cannot be effective for Christ. Would you want to trade places with a 10 year old Filipino girl who's parents sold her to a brothel to be raped 50 times a day? I doubt it. Focus on those who have it worse than you and your own problems will seem small.
 
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Most marriages end in divorce. The marriages that do stay together due, more than likely, to protect the children and for others there are financial reasons.
what a dismal and incorrect view of The Sacrament of Marraige.
 
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what a dismal and incorrect view of The Sacrament of Marraige.

It is an unfortunate reality about what has happened to something that God created to be good.. it has been twisted to be a shadow of what God intended it to be, it isn't treated as sacred anymore..
maybe that's why it goes away.. because it got corrupted so badly.
 
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It is an unfortunate reality about what has happened to something that God created to be good.. it has been twisted to be a shadow of what God intended it to be, it isn't treated as sacred anymore..
maybe that's why it goes away.. because it got corrupted so badly.
Or because there's a limit as to what God is able to restore. And he thinks "too bad."
 
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Or because there's a limit as to what God is able to restore. And he thinks "too bad."

Uh.. no that's certainly not it, God can do anything.
if He takes something away it's because of a limitation on us, not Him.
 
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I think you missed the whole point I was trying to convey. Do you think you are the only one who has had a raw deal in this life? As long as you are focused on your own plight you cannot do what Jesus said to do.
I understand dealing with an affliction that seems to have no end. Hope deferred make the heart sick. It is easy to become bitter and cynical. That is exactly how the enemy want you to feel so you cannot be effective for Christ. Would you want to trade places with a 10 year old Filipino girl who's parents sold her to a brothel to be raped 50 times a day? I doubt it. Focus on those who have it worse than you and your own problems will seem small.
I think that either everyone should be married or no one should be married. That's only fair. It's only fair that either every one be single or everyone be married. Otherwise it's unfair to perpetual singles.
 
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I think that either everyone should be married or no one should be married. That's only fair. It's only fair that either every one be single or everyone be married. Otherwise it's unfair to perpetual singles.

I think everyone should be married. It is not good for the man to be alone.
 
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Jesus is biologically male, and Jesus is who the church is the bride to.
Are you thinking that men (as part of the Church" are married to Jesus is gay? I had thoughts about that to. Or that Jesus is Bi?
Gay is dull. Male-to-male kissing dull. Gay gray!
 
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Jesus is biologically male, and Jesus is who the church is the bride to.
You are wrong. There are no male/female distinctions heaven. There is no marriage. We all get new bodies. They are spiritual, not biological. You statement was correct until Jesus rose from the dead. Not any more!
 
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Are you thinking that men (as part of the Church" are married to Jesus is gay? I had thoughts about that to. Or that Jesus is Bi?
Gay is dull. Male-to-male kissing dull. Gay gray!

I don't think it's sexual the picture is one of how devoted to HIs church, but it doesn't mean that there's physical intimacy between you and Jesus.

You are wrong. There are no male/female distinctions heaven. There is no marriage. We all get new bodies. They are spiritual, not biological. You statement was correct until Jesus rose from the dead. Not any more!

Jesus was resurrected male, and appeared to John in Revelation... as male.

John 20
15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

Revelation 1
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

It's unambiguous, Galatians 3 referred to our value being equal across the genders, not that there aren't 2 genders still.

Gender nonbinary Jesus is a blasphemous modern doctrine.
 
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I will never marry in this life, circumstances put me in a position where it hasn't happened and likely would never happen. I have genetic based illnesses that I don't want to pass down so children would be a bad idea even if I want them too. For a long time I deluded myself thinking, well, maybe not this life, but in eternity I can make up for it.
But a nagging feeling kept hitting me, like something I'd been forgetting since it'd been a long time since I'd read the bible, and in my immaturity I always assumed what many people assume about heaven; you get everything you want, no desire of your heart unmet. But the nagging feeling was that not only was that not going to happen, but God never meant it to happen for me, He ALWAYS wanted me to be alone, and He made sure that I would fail every relationship I entered to keep it that way. I couldn't even fornicate, so yes, still a virgin at an embarrassing age to be one by the world's standards. I got in situations where I might have, but something would happen to stop it every time. Just seemingly random events that would break it up. I thought it was bad luck then, now I see it as the Lord telling me no, not even if I wanted to He was going to stop me.
Anyway, there was that dread, that the Lord MEANT for me to be alone, forever. Then I read the scripture that sealed the deal on that fear, and made it reality. Matthew 22:30.
That it wasn't just this life, it was NEVER.
To be told you will NEVER have something you want, but other people find a lot of joy in hurts worse than any physical pain (and I experience quite a bit of that). In fact it hurts so much that all it does is make you want it even more and feel like you're missing out on something awesome forever. It makes you think about what it is you're missing out on, to have a partnership exclusive between you and someone else that is special and nobody else has it with that person, as (relatively speaking anyway) equal partners. You love them more than anything but God, they love you more than anything but God. A person you can keep no secrets from, a person you share everything with, make decisions together with, start a family with, and those children that you love so much that you would die for them, that's something incredible, the only other thing people might be willing to die for is God right? A person you are united in 1 flesh with.

I share these fears and depression with people and they say "oh don't worry it'll be better and more intimate." Which.. to me doesn't make sense, the marriage relationship has you physically naked with each other even bodies inside each other.. and you're going to be more intimate than that at handshake distance as just "brothers and sisters" in Christ? They try to say you aren't missing out on anything, but their actions belie their words, like I said, they'd die for their families, and the only other thing they'd die for is Jesus Christ, and in some cases, they'd die for their family, but NOT Jesus Christ! How am I supposed to feel like I'm NOT missing out on something when it seems to give them that much joy? Why did God single me out to be single? Why is it one of the ONLY revelations I've had from God Himself have to be this one that causes me so much pain? When I ask for revelation in other areas of life.. I get nothing. This one area I got revelation but it's like asking God something in prayer and His answer is not silence, but a definitive, resounding "No."
Why does this verse cause me so much pain every time I think about it? A simple answer from Jesus and it feels like tearing off a scab off a wound that just won't heal.

Genesis 2:18
Why is it good for me to be alone specifically? Why would God create me to desire something that he wanted me to never have? Some people choose to be single and are happy with that, it doesn't hurt them to tell them they'll never be married because they never wanted any part in it in the first place. Why couldn't He create me like that if that's what He wanted for me? At least then it wouldn't hurt.

This single verse, this single thing, is the cornerstone that makes me think I won't even be happy in eternity, and my only way to manage with it is to devalue myself and think my happiness is inconsequential that God is not a genie in the bottle and that if I'm unhappy I just have to accept it and be content. Forever.
It has almost created 2 hells as the potential afterlives. Just 1 Hell where everyone is suffering eternally and 1 where I'm singled out in exclusion but everyone around me is happy.
Salvation is a marriage covenant. Christians are the bride of Christ.

There’s no marriage in heaven to other people, because they’re all married to Jesus already.

Blessings.
 
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Salvation is a marriage covenant. Christians are the bride of Christ.

There’s no marriage in heaven to other people, because they’re all married to Jesus already.

Blessings.

Yeah that's not comforting.
dude x dude marriage.
I get the symbolism when applied corporately to the church, but really dislike it when people treat it as a personal marriage to Jesus.
In fact it's one of the most emasculating concepts ever.
 
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Yeah that's not comforting.
dude x dude marriage.
I get the symbolism when applied corporately to the church, but really dislike it when people treat it as a personal marriage to Jesus.
In fact it's one of the most emasculating concepts ever.
The two become 1 in marriage, which is why Christians are part of the body of Christ, and it’s a spiritual marriage, not sexual.
 
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I don't think it's sexual the picture is one of how devoted to HIs church, but it doesn't mean that there's physical intimacy between you and Jesus.



Jesus was resurrected male, and appeared to John in Revelation... as male.

John 20


Revelation 1


It's unambiguous, Galatians 3 referred to our value being equal across the genders, not that there aren't 2 genders still.

Gender nonbinary Jesus is a blasphemous modern doctrine.
In Christ there is neither male nor female. There is no sex in heaven. There is no marriage. On earth for sure there are only two genders. Once this mortal puts on immortality, everything changes.

The modern "choose your own gender" business is an abomination, I agree. I wonder how those who worship science reconcile biological reality with individual fancy.
 
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That's the way it is.

The majority of marriages end in divorce, fact.

Committed Christian marriages are far more successful.
If you dig into the facts, it is not what you believe. For a start, Christian marriages fail at a similar rate to secular. Second, a fair proportion of failures involve the same people. If someone is married and divorced three times, it gets lumped into the general failure statistic. This is misleading and makes things look worse than they are. Most marriages fail in the first couple of years. If people get past that, their marriage is much less likely to fail.
 
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