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Der Alte

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Then Derek Chauvin's lawyers should have called you as an expert witness. Do you think they can get a retrial because they didn't?
I'll take this as a serious comment for the moment. If the defense did not do their due diligence as it appears to me they didn't consider every possible counter argument thus they have nothing to appeal. Before blowing me off, try it. See if you think a person could be asphyxiated by a knee on the side of the neck.
 
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I'll take this as a serious comment for the moment. If the defense did not do their due diligence as it appears to me they didn't consider every possible counter argument thus they have nothing to appeal. Before blowing me off, try it. See if you think a person could be asphyxiated by a knee on the side of the neck.

I'd rather not. And perhaps the Defense did more due diligence than you did?
 
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I'd agree with his statement, purely in a semantic sense.

It's literally impossible for almost any event of 50+ years ago to have the same global impact as even somewhat trivial events have today.

The dissemination and saturation of information back then wasn't nearly what it is today. It's literally easier for people in other countries to find out "Who the Kardashians are dating this week" in 2022 than it was to learn about actual important events in other countries in the 1960's.


Now, if what he was implying was that the loss of George Floyd even remotely has the same significance in terms of a loss of a person one should aspire to look up to and follow the example of, or the same "blow to the civil rights movement", then it's not even close...and if that was his intention, it was a weak attempt at pandering.


It's been an ever growing idea that somehow "victims are heroes simply based on the manner of their death"...I don't think that's a productive path.

Dr. King was a great man who spearheaded a movement and made great strides for a cause he was passionate about, and effectively taught others the error of their ways and opened important channels of dialog.

Floyd was...let's be honest...a scumbag, who just happened to have something terrible and wrong happen to him (that we should all rightfully detest, it's never okay for the police to do what they did, and seeing that video should make anyone with a conscience angry), but he shouldn't be propped up as a "hero".

Dr. King is a hero because of his actions in life, not simply because of the manner of his death.


I've come up with an easy way to determine who should be regarded as a hero vs. someone who just happened to be killed in a wrongful way.

And it's a relatively simple system...all you have to do is ask yourself "If they hadn't been killed on the day they were, what would that person have been doing the next day, and the day after that?"

In the case of Dr. King, he would've been traveling to another city, to champion civil rights, and continuing to build bridges and show people the error of their ways and furthering the causes of equality.

Floyd would've been trying to pass phony checks at a different WaWa mart and trying to score some more pills.

It's terrible what happened to him, and the cops who did it (or stood by and watched it happen and didn't intervene) deserve every bit of their prison sentence, but George Floyd is not a person "to look up to"
 
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I'd rather not. And perhaps the Defense did more due diligence than you did?
Don't criticize me until you have a sound basis for doing so. Just saying "You're wrong and I'm right! Am too! Nuh huh!" Don't cut it. I'm sure you know that criminal cases are often overturned because someone did something they shouldn't have or did not do something they should have.
 
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I suppose if "impact" can be defined as a greater amount of burned down American cities and destroyed businesses and communities, many belonging to minorities, for the goal of a divided America that judges everything on the basis of skin color...

Nope, not even that.
 
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It was physically impossible for George Floyd to have died as the "experts" claimed. I laid down on the floor turned my head to the side, to see what could/might happen. I found I could pass my clenched fist between the floor and the down side of my neck. Floyd could not have been asphyxiated without his cervical spine being broken.
Perhaps it was the knee with the full weight of Chauvin that made the difference? Did you try having someone kneel on your neck for ten minutes or so?
 
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It was physically impossible for George Floyd to have died as the "experts" claimed. I laid down on the floor turned my head to the side, to see what could/might happen. I found I could pass my clenched fist between the floor and the down side of my neck. Floyd could not have been asphyxiated without his cervical spine being broken.

Floyd was killed by police in precisely the same way Tony Timpa was killed by police.
 
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Floyd was killed by police in precisely the same way Tony Timpa was killed by police.

Hush now, you're going to mess up the whole narrative by bringing up *that* name.

:)
 
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Perhaps it was the knee with the full weight of Chauvin that made the difference? Did you try having someone kneel on your neck for ten minutes or so?
It wasn't the full weight of Chauvin. Only part of his weight about 71%, about 29% of Chauvin's weight was on his toes. I checked with a scale. And his knee would not be touching Floyd's trachea. It would be touching the ridge of muscle on the side of the neck.
Floyd was killed by police in precisely the same way Tony Timpa was killed by police.
Who? EDS!
 
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The discussion of "impact" here falls prey to the same error today of equating "likes" on Twitter to effective activism. Just because the rabble was roused, and the hoi polloi lifted their heads and blinked doesn't mean anything was done.

Even if we limit the discussion to the effects of the deaths (and ignore the vast difference of what these men accomplished for the nation and the world in their lives), Floyd still doesn't measure up to King.

I guess people have forgotten the nationwide riots that occurred after King's death, that were far more significant than the protests following Floyd's death. King’s assassination set off 10 days of riots in which 43 people died and 27,000 were arrested. Violent protests occurred in nearly 200 cities. More than 100 cities were in flames. The president had to call out 58,000 National Guard troops across the country to regain order. There was very real fear that the burning cities would never stop.

I guess people have also forgotten that King's death spurred substantive federal legislation in memoriam, such as the Fair Housing Act and the Housing and Urban Development Act. I don't know of any legislation that resulted from Floyd's death.

But the cell phone videos did get lots of likes.
 
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Don't criticize me until you have a sound basis for doing so. Just saying "You're wrong and I'm right! Am too! Nuh huh!" Don't cut it. I'm sure you know that criminal cases are often overturned because someone did something they shouldn't have or did not do something they should have.

If your sole basis is that you're smarter than the lawyers who overlooked something that obvious, I hardly need anything more to criticize with.

Clearly the world lost the next Clarence Darrow when you decided not to become a lawyer.
 
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It wasn't the full weight of Chauvin. Only part of his weight about 71%, about 29% of Chauvin's weight was on his toes. I checked with a scale. And his knee would not be touching Floyd's trachea. It would be touching the ridge of muscle on the side of the neck.

When this news gets out, people are going to feel so stupid.
 
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let us submit it to the test of time, how long will it be until everyone completely forgets about Floyd? They will still remember Dr. King.

I think you missed the point.
 
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I made a point, I missed nothing, but keep thinking.

Then why suggest that we 'submit it to the test of time'? No-one has suggested that Floyd will be remembered longer than King. That isn't what the discussion is about and it's not what Biden said. You may as well have said 'Why don't we see which one was the tallest' - it would have made just as much sense in this context.
 
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I did hear the left and right going on about this... wow that is just awful what Biden said. Floyd still has questions on what really happened and thats not a guess or wonder or speculation. When black people came forward talking about a cop that did the same thing but to a white guy and you hear? Nothing. I watched the video of this black man talking about it then gave the names and talked about other cases. When the same things happen to a different race yet nothing gets said.. its wrong period. Should not happen to ANYONE and those that do this should be better be held accountable if you ask me.

But what Biden said.. its Joe Biden.
 
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