Do you agree with Joe Biden?

hislegacy · Jan 17, 2022

Joe Biden: 'Even Dr. King’s assassination did not have the worldwide impact that George Floyd’s death did'

Joe Biden: 'Even Dr. King’s assassination did not have the worldwide impact that George Floyd’s death did'

Occams Barber · Jan 17, 2022

hislegacy said:
Joe Biden: 'Even Dr. King’s assassination did not have the worldwide impact that George Floyd’s death did'

Joe Biden: 'Even Dr. King’s assassination did not have the worldwide impact that George Floyd’s death did'

Absolutely.

One obvious reason is the vast improvement in communications technology since 1968. Combine that with the internet and social media and the effect of George Floyd's death was hugely magnified in comparison to MLK's death.

OB

bekkilyn · Jan 17, 2022

I don't even know what to say. I'm thinking a whole lot of things and none of them good. Not even remotely. I'd like to think that maybe this statement was taken out of context, but somehow I know it wasn't.

Yttrium · Jan 17, 2022

MLK is mainly known for what he did in life. George Floyd is mainly known for how he died. I think Floyd's death had a greater impact on the US than MLK's did. On the other hand, I'm not so sure about the rest of the world. I don't know that Floyd's death had much of any impact at all outside the US.

TLK Valentine · Jan 17, 2022

Nope. President Biden gaffed on that one.

bekkilyn · Jan 17, 2022

I suppose if "impact" can be defined as a greater amount of burned down American cities and destroyed businesses and communities, many belonging to minorities, for the goal of a divided America that judges everything on the basis of skin color...

Occams Barber · Jan 17, 2022

Yttrium said:
MLK is mainly known for what he did in life. George Floyd is mainly known for how he died. I think Floyd's death had a greater impact on the US than MLK's did. On the other hand, I'm not so sure about the rest of the world. I don't know that Floyd's death had much of any impact at all outside the US.

The videos of George Floyd under the policeman's knee for 10 (?) minutes had more visceral impact than the short sharp shooting scenario of MLK's death.

There's also the issue of Floyd dying publicly at the hands of the system. This had direct relevance to minorities around the world suffering race based disadvantage and prejudice. It resonated for instance with the Australian indigenous population who also suffer systemic disadvantage. While MLK was a great man, George Floyd represented the (racially disadvantaged) common man.

These comments have nothing to do with the relative merits of MLK vs George Floyd as individuals.

OB

Ponderous Curmudgeon · Jan 17, 2022

Yttrium said:
MLK is mainly known for what he did in life. George Floyd is mainly known for how he died. I think Floyd's death had a greater impact on the US than MLK's did. On the other hand, I'm not so sure about the rest of the world. I don't know that Floyd's death had much of any impact at all outside the US.

List of George Floyd protests outside the United States - Wikipedia
Besides it is a rather silly question considering the differences in media connectivity between now and 1968. You could also argue quite persuasively that it was the death of MLK that ultimately propelled his significance.

Bradskii · Jan 17, 2022

Yttrium said:
MLK is mainly known for what he did in life. George Floyd is mainly known for how he died. I think Floyd's death had a greater impact on the US than MLK's did. On the other hand, I'm not so sure about the rest of the world. I don't know that Floyd's death had much of any impact at all outside the US.

I'd say a much bigger impact outside the US than did the death of King (I'm not sure why, but I'm adverse to just using his initials. JFK is fine, MLK seems not). What Floyd's death started was a world wide discussion about minority rights. King's legacy will be greater (if you could even consider Floyd's impact to be a 'legacy') but considering the impact that that video of his death had...

King's death was (obviously) a newsworthy event. Lloyd's death was newsworthy at the time to a much lesser extent. But the effects of it are still apparent close to two years after the event and I think have involved a great deal more people.

TLK Valentine · Jan 17, 2022

bekkilyn said:
I suppose if "impact" can be defined as a greater amount of burned down American cities and destroyed businesses and communities, many belonging to minorities,

As much as I appreciate weeping over property damage, the 43 dead over the Holy Week Uprising are nothing to sneeze at, either.

TLK Valentine · Jan 17, 2022

Bradskii said:
I'd say a much bigger impact outside the US than did the death of King (I'm not sure why, but I'm adverse to just using his initials. JFK is fine, MLK seems not). What Floyd's death started was a world wide discussion about minority rights. King's legacy will be greater (if you could even consider Floyd's impact to be a 'legacy') but considering the impact that that video of his death had...

King's death was (obviously) a newsworthy event. Lloyd's death was newsworthy at the time to a much lesser extent. But the effects of it are still apparent close to two years after the event and I think have involved a great deal more people.

There is that -- Floyd's death showed (most of) the world that Dr. King's work is nowhere near finished. People were aware of that after King's assassination, but had since grown complacent.

That said, Biden still gaffed it... I shouldn't be surprised, however, at the usual suspects pretending to care.

Hans Blaster · Jan 17, 2022

Sorry, but the question is meaningless.

Not only is there no way to quantify the "impact" of the two events that would allow the two to be ranked, but one event occurred 50+ years before the other and influenced how we saw the other. [/THREAD]

Bradskii · Jan 17, 2022

bekkilyn said:
I suppose if "impact" can be defined as a greater amount of burned down American cities and destroyed businesses and communities, many belonging to minorities, for the goal of a divided America that judges everything on the basis of skin color...

I've literally got a small boiler running on my deck as I write this. Connected to some bits and pieces (don't ask). I need to make sure that all parts of the system are working together correctly. That I'm not paying too much attention to one part and ignoring another. I need to make sure that I treat all parts with equal attention. Because if I don't, then something bad is likely to happen. There'll be a sudden explosive release of pressure and there'll likely be some damage and maybe someone will get hurt.

So if you don't pay attention and make sure everything is working as well as it could, you will have to expect problems. Don't act suprised when it happens.

pescador · Jan 17, 2022

Bradskii said:
I've literally got a small boiler running on my deck as I write this. Connected to some bits and pieces (don't ask). I need to make sure that all parts of the system are working together correctly. That I'm not paying too much attention to one part and ignoring another. I need to make sure that I treat all parts with equal attention. Because if I don't, then something bad is likely to happen. There'll be a sudden explosive release of pressure and there'll likely be some damage and maybe someone will get hurt.

So if you don't pay attention and make sure everything is working as well as it could, you will have to expect problems. Don't act suprised when it happens.

Huh???

Bradskii · Jan 17, 2022

pescador said:
Huh???

Too obscure a metaphor?

Pommer · Jan 17, 2022

This was last year, wait no, 19 months ago!

TLK Valentine said:

There is that -- Floyd's death showed (most of) the world that Dr. King's work is nowhere near finished. People were aware of that after King's assassination, but had since grown complacent.

That said, Biden still gaffed it... I shouldn't be surprised, however, at the usual suspects pretending to care.

Click to expand...

Especially since it’s nineteen months old “News”.

Bradskii · Jan 17, 2022

Pommer said:
This was last year, wait no, 19 months ago!

Especially since it’s nineteen months old “News”.

How far back do they need to trawl? 'Biden frightened to sleep without night light on': 1949.

Der Alte · Jan 17, 2022

Occams Barber said:
* * * There's also the issue of Floyd dyeing publicly at the hands of the system. This had direct relevance to minorities around the world suffering race based disadvantage and prejudice. It resonated for instance with the Australian indigenous population who also suffer systemic disadvantage. While MLK was a great man, George Floyd represented the (racially disadvantaged) common man.
These comments have nothing to do with the relative merits of MLK vs George Floyd as individuals.
OB

It was physically impossible for George Floyd to have died as the "experts" claimed. I laid down on the floor turned my head to the side, to see what could/might happen. I found I could pass my clenched fist between the floor and the down side of my neck. Floyd could not have been asphyxiated without his cervical spine being broken.

Pommer · Jan 17, 2022

Der Alte said:
It was physically impossible for George Floyd to have died as the "experts" claimed. I laid down on the floor turned my head to the side, to see what could/might happen. I found I could pass my clenched fist between the floor and the down side of my neck. Floyd could not have been asphyxiated without his cervical spine being broken.

No.
We’re not doing this here.
Go away.

TLK Valentine · Jan 17, 2022

Der Alte said:
It was physically impossible for George Floyd to have died as the "experts" claimed. I laid down on the floor turned my head to the side, to see what could/might happen. I found I could pass my clenched fist between the floor and the down side of my neck. Floyd could not have been asphyxiated without his cervical spine being broken.

Then Derek Chauvin's lawyers should have called you as an expert witness. Do you think they can get a retrial because they didn't?

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