Passover For Christians

Clare73 · Jan 17, 2022

HARK! said:
How did you come to that conclusion?

The Gentiles at Nineveh didn't; and YHWH didn't ask them to. He said that he was going to destroy them; and they knew exactly what to do, they bowed down and repented; and then they were saved.

You will note that it was a question, not a conclusion.

Clare73 · Jan 17, 2022

ChetSinger said:
I really don't understand how anyone could think the Last Supper wasn't a Passover meal. There it is, in black and white. In three separate Gospels, no less. How is this not a no-brainer?

You'll soon find out here that black and white doesn't carry much weight for some.

HARK! · Jan 17, 2022

Clare73 said:
< sigh >

There is no error, only one's unbelief of apostolic teaching, in:

"All who are of works of the law (rather than of grace and faith) are under a curse." (Galatians 3:10)
.

If I edited Paul's words; I could make them say whatever I wanted them to as well.

HARK! · Jan 17, 2022

Clare73 said:
You will note that it was a question, not a conclusion.

It appeared as petitio principii to me:

Clare73 said:
So all the Gentiles sojourned with the Jews?

"Oh my," indeed.

Oh well, asked and answered.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Jan 17, 2022

Clare73 said:
Yes. . .that it means what it states.

Romans 2 is about the Mosaic law, which was long after Sodom.

then you know it was added later. After Sodom actually proves my point...

Yeshua HaDerekh · Jan 17, 2022

Clare73 said:
You'll soon find out here that black and white doesn't carry much weight for some.

Especially those who wrongly interpret scripture...

Yeshua HaDerekh · Jan 17, 2022

Clare73 said:
Who said the law didn't "stand"?

Yes, sin comes first. . .and the text of the apostle also stands, "All who are of works of the law (rather than of grace and faith) are under a curse." (Galatians 3:10)

Yes, when you sin, you break God's laws and are under the curse of death. If there is no law and no sin, what need is there for grace???????

Clare73 · Jan 17, 2022

HARK! said:
If I edited Paul's words; I could make them say whatever I wanted them to as well.

Agreed. . .

Your point?

Please demonstrate it.

Der Alte · Jan 17, 2022

HARK! said:
* * * In the renewed covenant, YHWH has offered the lamb. Yahshua (Yah's salvation) is the door. The blood is on YHWH's doorposts. He is inviting us into his home, to be part of his family, under his headship. Are you of the house of Yashar EL? Do you believe that YHWH allows rebellion in his house?

But for the fact that according to the Jewish Encyclopedia.

Jewish Encyclopedia-Names of God
In appearance, Yhwh (יהוה) is the third person singular imperfect "kal" of the verb ("to be"), meaning, therefore, "He is," or "He will be," or, perhaps, "He lives," the root idea of the word being, probably, "to blow," "to breathe," and hence, "to live." With this explanation agrees the meaning of the name given in Ex. iii. 14, where God is represented as speaking, and hence as using the first person—"I am" (אהיה, from (היה, the later equivalent of the archaic stem (הוה). The meaning would, therefore, be "He who is self-existing, self-sufficient," or, more concretely, "He who lives," the abstract conception of pure existence being foreign to Hebrew thought. There is no doubt that the idea of life was intimately connected with the name Yhwh from early times. He is the living God, as contrasted with the lifeless gods of the heathen, and He is the source and author of life (comp. I Kings xviii.; Isa. xli. 26-29, xliv. 6-20; Jer. x. 10, 14; Gen. ii. 7; etc.). So familiar is this conception of God to the Hebrew mind that it appears in the common formula of an oath, "hai Yhwh" (חי־יהוה= "as Yhwh lives"; Ruth iii. 13; I Sam. xiv. 45; etc.).
If the explanation of the form above given be the true one, the original pronunciation must have been Yahweh (יהוה) or Yahaweh (יהוה). From this the contracted form Jah or Yah (יה) is most readily explained, and also the forms Jeho or Yeho (יהו), and Jo or Yo (יו contracted from יהו, which the word assumes in combination in the first part of compound proper names, and Yahu or Yah (יהו) in the second part of such names. The fact may also be mentioned that in Samaritan poetry יהוה with words similar in ending to Yahweh, and Theodoret ("Quæst. 15 in Exodum") states that the Samaritans pronounced the name Iαβέ. Epiphanius ascribes the same pronunciation to an early Christian sect. Clement of Alexandria, still more exactly, pronounces 'Iαουέ or 'Iαουαί[/font], and Origen, 'Iα. Aquila wrote the name in archaic Hebrew letters. In the Jewish-Egyptian magic-papyri it appears as Ιαωουηε . At least as early as the third century B.C. the name seems to have been regarded by the Jews as a "nomen ineffabile," on the basis of a somewhat extreme interpretation of Ex. xx. 7 and Lev. xxiv. 11 (see Philo, "De Vita Mosis," iii. 519, 529). Written only in consonants, the true pronunciation was forgotten by them. The Septuagint, and after it the New Testament, invariably render κύριος("the Lord").
Jewish Encyclopedia online

Clare73 · Jan 17, 2022

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
then you know it was added later. After Sodom actually proves my point...

As well as mine, that the Gentiles were not under the Mosaic law.

Glad we are in agreement.

Der Alte · Jan 17, 2022

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Clare73 · Jan 17, 2022

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Especially those who wrongly interpret scripture...

Agreed. . .again.

Havin' fun yet?

Clare73 · Jan 17, 2022

HARK! said:
It appeared as petitio principii to me:

Oh well, asked and answered.

Yes, because all the Gentiles did not sojourn with the Jews, all the Gentiles were not under the Mosaic law and were judged by a different standard, given in Romans 2:14-15, as I stated.

Clare73 · Jan 17, 2022

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Yes, when you sin, you break God's laws and are under the curse of death. If there is no law and no sin, what need is there for grace???????

I give up. . .what?

HARK! · Jan 17, 2022

Clare73 said:
As well as mine, that the Gentiles were not under the Mosaic law.

Glad we are in agreement.

Those who are under the curses of the law; are those who transgress the law.

One law for all.

(CLV) Ro 2:11
For there is not partiality with God,

(CLV) Ro 2:12
for whoever sinned without law, without law also shall perish, and whoever sinned in law, through law will be judged.

HARK! · Jan 17, 2022

Clare73 said:
I give up. . .what?

Exactly.

Clare73 · Jan 17, 2022

HARK! said:
Those who are under the curses of the law; are those who transgress the law.
One law for all.
(CLV) Ro 2:11
For there is not partiality with God,
(CLV) Ro 2:12
for whoever sinned without law, without law also shall perish, and whoever sinned in law, through law will be judged.

My point exactly, the Gentiles were judged by a different law, as explained in Romans 2:14-15, because they were not under the law of Moses, which different law condemned them.

Agreement at last. . .

HARK! · Jan 17, 2022

Der Alte said:
But for the fact that according to the Jewish Encyclopedia.

Jewish Encyclopedia-Names of God
In appearance, Yhwh (יהוה) is the third person singular imperfect "kal" of the verb ("to be"), meaning, therefore, "He is," or "He will be," or, perhaps, "He lives," the root idea of the word being, probably, "to blow," "to breathe," and hence, "to live." With this explanation agrees the meaning of the name given in Ex. iii. 14, where God is represented as speaking, and hence as using the first person—"I am" (אהיה, from (היה, the later equivalent of the archaic stem (הוה). The meaning would, therefore, be "He who is self-existing, self-sufficient," or, more concretely, "He who lives," the abstract conception of pure existence being foreign to Hebrew thought. There is no doubt that the idea of life was intimately connected with the name Yhwh from early times. He is the living God, as contrasted with the lifeless gods of the heathen, and He is the source and author of life (comp. I Kings xviii.; Isa. xli. 26-29, xliv. 6-20; Jer. x. 10, 14; Gen. ii. 7; etc.). So familiar is this conception of God to the Hebrew mind that it appears in the common formula of an oath, "hai Yhwh" (חי־יהוה= "as Yhwh lives"; Ruth iii. 13; I Sam. xiv. 45; etc.).
If the explanation of the form above given be the true one, the original pronunciation must have been Yahweh (יהוה) or Yahaweh (יהוה). From this the contracted form Jah or Yah (יה) is most readily explained, and also the forms Jeho or Yeho (יהו), and Jo or Yo (יו contracted from יהו, which the word assumes in combination in the first part of compound proper names, and Yahu or Yah (יהו) in the second part of such names. The fact may also be mentioned that in Samaritan poetry יהוה with words similar in ending to Yahweh, and Theodoret ("Quæst. 15 in Exodum") states that the Samaritans pronounced the name Iαβέ. Epiphanius ascribes the same pronunciation to an early Christian sect. Clement of Alexandria, still more exactly, pronounces 'Iαουέ or 'Iαουαί[/font], and Origen, 'Iα. Aquila wrote the name in archaic Hebrew letters. In the Jewish-Egyptian magic-papyri it appears as Ιαωουηε . At least as early as the third century B.C. the name seems to have been regarded by the Jews as a "nomen ineffabile," on the basis of a somewhat extreme interpretation of Ex. xx. 7 and Lev. xxiv. 11 (see Philo, "De Vita Mosis," iii. 519, 529). Written only in consonants, the true pronunciation was forgotten by them. The Septuagint, and after it the New Testament, invariably render κύριος("the Lord").
Jewish Encyclopedia online

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here.

How does the Pharisee Encyclopedia refute anything that I said?

Clare73 · Jan 17, 2022

HARK! said:
Exactly.

Why didn't you just say so? . . .coulda' saved all this ink.

HARK! · Jan 17, 2022

Clare73 said:
Yes, because all the Gentiles did not sojourn with the Jews, all the Gentiles were not under the Mosaic law and were judged by a different standard, given in Romans 2:14-15, as I stated.

Better judged than dead.

(CLV) Ro 2:11
For there is not partiality with God,

(CLV) Ro 2:12
for whoever sinned without law, without law also shall perish, and whoever sinned in law, through law will be judged.

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