Elon Musk skynet satellites on collision course with space station full of astronauts

If the roles were reversed, China would be doing the same thing Elon is doing now.

From: Elon Musk said Neuralink hopes to start implanting its brain chips in humans in 2022, later than he anticipated

"He said the first humans to receive the chips would be people with severe spinal-cord injuries."

The invention of brain chips look very much like that of dynamite or the use of a gun. The problem tends to be somewhere down the road unintended consequences start happening.

Norbert L said:

The problem tends to be somewhere down the road unintended consequences start happening.

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I doubt there is any technological advance, since the discovery of how to control fire, that has not had unintended consequences. Should be just abandon technology and hide in caves?

Ophiolite said:

Should be just abandon technology and hide in caves?

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I don't see anything inherently wrong or evil if a person chooses to abandon technology, even the Amish know that can be done without living in caves.

It's more about the verboten things. Like being able to investigate and ask critical questions about RFID chips.

Norbert L said:

I don't see anything inherently wrong or evil if a person chooses to abandon technology, even the Amish know that can be done without living in caves.

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I didn't suggest it was "inherently wrong, or evil". I asked if you thought we should abandon technology in order to avoid "unforseen consequences". You have answered that. Thank you.

Norbert L said:

It's more about the verboten things. Like being able to investigate and ask critical questions about RFID chips

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Forum rules require that any videos are accompanied with a summary of their contents. If you wish me to respond to whatever point the you feel the video makes, please provide such a summary. Otherwise your objection comes across as ill-informed prejudice. I doubt you were aiming for that.

Ophiolite said:

I didn't suggest it was "inherently wrong, or evil". I asked if you thought we should abandon technology in order to avoid "unforseen consequences". You have answered that. Thank you.

Forum rules require that any videos are accompanied with a summary of their contents. If you wish me to respond to whatever point the you feel the video makes, please provide such a summary. Otherwise your objection comes across as ill-informed prejudice. I doubt you were aiming for that.

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I imagine you didn't see my unforeseen response.

It's about Mythbusters and why they were verboten to investigate and ask critical questions about RFID chips.

Some forms of EMP can fry these tiny chips. Not a very big problem if the chip is on your hand. But if the chip is on your brain, the injury can be debilitating or even fatal.

The worst part is that a person intent on killing implanted people with EMP device might be able to get away with it completely untraceable.

The tech would make it easy to silence or even kill individuals that is deemed threat to the establishment. They can just blame "equipment malfunction" like they can shoot their EMP gun at you while you're using your microwave oven. Chip and microwave oven explodes and they can pin the blame on the exploding oven as the cause.

Directed energy from EMP weapons can easily pass through walls and glass windows FYI. It's an assassin's dream come true if they can kill you with it. Makes the job a lot easier and cheaper.

It may even be possible for them to trigger your phone to emit radiation at certain frequencies that can affect the implant in a bad way.

I really don't like the idea of electronically "augmenting" humans to make them more efficient workers.

Why not just make robot workers and give people free money? Full automation will disrupt the economy in a big way. It's inevitable. But we can turn it into a positive thing. Most people would be become redundant. It would be pointless for them to hold jobs even if they want to. The only way they can help to keep economy afloat by them spending money by buying things is to give them free money.

I know it sounds absurd and ridiculous but capitalism is ridiculous to begin with and that's how we would end up if robots become fully self-sufficient because robots would no longer require money if they can self-manage, self-repair, and self-expand/upgrade.

timewerx said:

... They can just blame "equipment malfunction" like they can shoot their EMP gun at you while you're using your microwave oven. Chip and microwave oven explodes and they can pin the blame on the exploding oven as the cause.
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I know it sounds absurd and ridiculous...

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Lethally exploding a microwave oven with an EMP is absurd and ridiculous.

prosperity4all said:

Elon Musk satellites on collision course with space station full of astronauts


Elon Musk satellites almost crash into space station

Elon Musk satellites on collision course with space station full of astronauts

Elon Musk told to keep his satellites away from its space station

USA berated after ‘close encounters’ with Elon Musk satellites






Elon Musk to start implanting brain chips in humans in 2022

Elon Musk to start implanting brain chips in humans in 2022

Aim to Begin Testing Brain Chips in Humans in 2022, Elon Musk Says




Elon Musk to build humanoid robot in 2022

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...-tesla-really-build-a-humanoid-robot-in-2022/





are scientists making humans obsolete?

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I think it’s important to determine when or how tech advancements would stop being for our benefit. Ideally, tech advancements make it possible for more people to freely explore and enjoy the world and even universe eventually, but if Ai becomes self serving rather than human enjoyment serving then we have a problem.

Human jobs are only important insofar as they provide a needed service and sustain people’s livelihoods. I think tech can help us serve others for free and still be sustained and enjoy life, but maybe I’m being too hopeful.

FrumiousBandersnatch said:

Lethally exploding a microwave oven with an EMP is absurd and ridiculous.

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I mean just pop the board of the microwave. It won't kill the person next to it but it would mislead investigators to think the magnetron of the microwave malfunctioning might have fried the chip in the user's brain instead of an EMP gun.

Or if they can just overload the chip without damaging it, they can cause brain stroke in an individual through inflammation (which can eventually lead to clotting and finally a brain stroke). Completely untraceable because it will look exactly like regular brain stroke.

My point is putting a device that can malfunction (or forced to malfunction) inside our most critical and fragile organ - the brain. Is absolutely bad idea.

Just too bad this generation don't have the brain capacity to think of these scenarios anymore. If we make a vote, the ignorant majority will win.

prosperity4all said:

Elon Musk told to keep his satellites away from its space station

USA berated after ‘close encounters’ with Elon Musk satellites

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Nothing like dragging our hostilities out into space now, is there?

timewerx said:

Why not just make robot workers and give people free money? Full automation will disrupt the economy in a big way. It's inevitable. But we can turn it into a positive thing. Most people would be become redundant. It would be pointless for them to hold jobs even if they want to. The only way they can help to keep economy afloat by them spending money by buying things is to give them free money.I know it sounds absurd and ridiculous but capitalism is ridiculous to begin with and that's how we would end up if robots become fully self-sufficient because robots would no longer require money if they can self-manage, self-repair, and self-expand/upgrade.

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Automobiles are a form of automation that followed horse drawn wagons.
Recordings are a form of automation that replaced live entertainers on stage.
Airplanes are a form of automation. Computers are a form of automation.

None of these technologies caused the collapse of economic normality.
Robots won't damage the economy either. They will expand the market as all other technologies have.

timewerx said:

I mean just pop the board of the microwave. It won't kill the person next to it but it would mislead investigators to think the magnetron of the microwave malfunctioning might have fried the chip in the user's brain instead of an EMP gun.

Or if they can just overload the chip without damaging it, they can cause brain stroke in an individual through inflammation (which can eventually lead to clotting and finally a brain stroke). Completely untraceable because it will look exactly like regular brain stroke.

My point is putting a device that can malfunction (or forced to malfunction) inside our most critical and fragile organ - the brain. Is absolutely bad idea.

Just too bad this generation don't have the brain capacity to think of these scenarios anymore. If we make a vote, the ignorant majority will win.

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I agree that there are risks, although the brain is well insulated from electromagnetic phenomena. But making ridiculous claims is not going to help spread awareness. I suspect that an EMP strong enough to disable chips implanted in the brain would destroy all the infrastructure systems that support modern life in any case.

We should look up as often, in case, one of them wants to crash-land on our shoulders, we can dodge in time.

Chriliman said:

I think it’s important to determine when or how tech advancements would stop being for our benefit. Ideally, tech advancements make it possible for more people to freely explore and enjoy the world and even universe eventually, but if Ai becomes self serving rather than human enjoyment serving then we have a problem.

Human jobs are only important insofar as they provide a needed service and sustain people’s livelihoods. I think tech can help us serve others for free and still be sustained and enjoy life, but maybe I’m being too hopeful.

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I'm all for exploring the solar system remotely. The Mars rover lasted a decade longer than it was intended to last. You can do that with robots. People have more immediate needs and you can't add even a couple days to a mission without them whining about wanting more food or air or something.

SkyWriting said:

Automobiles are a form of automation that followed horse drawn wagons.
Recordings are a form of automation that replaced live entertainers on stage.
Airplanes are a form of automation. Computers are a form of automation.

None of these technologies caused the collapse of economic normality.
Robots won't damage the economy either. They will expand the market as all other technologies have.

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And who will buy the goods and services robots produce? Fully automated shops are now a thing, automation is going to hit jobs across the economy from accounting to law, to even care work and health care, with no sign of replacement jobs, unlike in the industrial revolution.

FrumiousBandersnatch said:

I agree that there are risks, although the brain is well insulated from electromagnetic phenomena. But making ridiculous claims is not going to help spread awareness. I suspect that an EMP strong enough to disable chips implanted in the brain would destroy all the infrastructure systems that support modern life in any case.

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It's a lot simpler and practical than you think. Similar directed energy weapons are now available for crowd control use while avoiding collateral damage:

Active Denial System - Wikipedia

Here it describes Active Denial also destroying electronics:

Directed-energy weapon - Wikipedia

First link also tells you (implicitly) how to turn the ADS from non-lethal into lethal killing weapon by simply lowering the frequency to allow deeper penetration of human tissue.

although the brain is well insulated from electromagnetic phenomena

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How do you suppose an MRI can scan the brain if brain is insulated from EM?

Personally, I prefer robots replacing me than having my brain tampered with. The brain is totally fine without chip. We've managed so well before without it. It only makes us hilariously vulnerable to things that wasn't a threat to us before.

Goonie said:

And who will buy the goods and services robots produce? Fully automated shops are now a thing, automation is going to hit jobs across the economy from accounting to law, to even care work and health care, with no sign of replacement jobs, unlike in the industrial revolution.

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If automation made everyone jobless, who will buy the products robots produce??

The obvious answer is free income/money for everyone so people can still buy stuff even if they no longer have jobs even if they're doing absolutely nothing all day.

To avoid runaway inflation in this type of economy, everyone will have max quota of specific items they can buy - regardless of how much money they make or have.

It will be a generous quota unless you are addicted to food or shoes...You get my point.

Those who are addicted to food will be on a forced diet due to purchase quotas. It might end up being great for everyone. Obesity will be a thing of the past and people will be much healthier.

Goonie said:

And who will buy the goods and services robots produce? Fully automated shops are now a thing, automation is going to hit jobs across the economy from accounting to law, to even care work and health care, with no sign of replacement jobs, unlike in the industrial revolution.

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Just like the industrial revolution replaced manual labor, more work got done per person.
One bulldozer replaces 100's of men with shovels. Those people found other work to do
instead of building roads. The expansion of automation allows for other sources of work
to expand.
The replacement jobs don't show up until after the efficiency occurs.

For example, every single river in the world needs to be diverted so people can walk the riverbed and clean up debris. Robots are not good at that.

Everything that has ever been made needs to be recycled. Carefully evaluated and sorted from the landfills. Every square inch of the earth needs to be sampled and evaluated for toxins. You can have 1000's of people, each leading a team of robots if needed. Or just people.

To it took me 2 minutes to imagine millions of jobs that robots are not good at.
Healthcare - people heal best if some person cares about them. One million more jobs for people.
Customer service - people hate automated customer service. One million more jobs.

SkyWriting said:

Just like the industrial revolution replaced manual labor, more work got done per person.
One bulldozer replaces 100's of men with shovels. Those people found other work to do
instead of building roads. The expansion of automation allows for other sources of work
to expand.

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And a robot is built to do that new work. One Of the core aims of business is to reduce overhead, of you can eliminate the vast majority of employees and replace them with non striking, never sick robots/AI programs, business will do that.