You Can't Stop the Hebrew Roots

Funny I was just reading Shabbat 132A

Hebrew roots, is a bit of a buzz word in these days and there's more than a few who are jumping on the band wagon, who are using it to sell books and DVD's to make lots of money. There's quite a lot of clever marketing behind much of this and at least one of these people has produced several best selling books about how things which God had warned Israel about happening to them will now happen to America.

Some of this biblical teaching may be genuine and I have even liked some of it, and some even checks out quite well, but there may be a lot of fake stuff mixed in with it, which sort of sounds right, but is it? When you can easily tell for sure, it's kind of difficult to really know if it is sound teaching, or not! Well there's a lot stuff out there, which does have any supporting scriptural evidence to back it up. We need to be sure what is credible and what s not credible!

Most of the really good guys, are not trying to be saying sensational things, but saying sensational things and using clever marketing to back it up appears to work well to sell best selling books. The people who are doing this are probably those who need to really careful about. So do your homework and see how it checks out! We are living in times of great deception and we need to be able to discern what is true and what is deception!

HARK! said:

Zachary Bauer discusses how people all over the world are studying the word and coming to the conclusion that the seventh day is Shabbat. He says that many churches are troubled by this; because those who are most valuable to their churches, are usually the ones who are studying the word the most. As church leaders speak out against the Hebrew Roots, it only causes more people to start looking into what others have already realized. This reminds me of early Christianity. It couldn't be stopped. The more that Christians were fed to the lions, the more that onlookers would say to themselves, "maybe there is something to this, that these Christians have so much faith that they are wiling to die for it;" so Christianity continued to spread.

I'm convinced that YHWH is at work here.

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I guess you forgot about Adam and Eve keeping the Sabbath, so it is not of Hebrew root unless they were the start of the Hebrew root

I really like to learn what I can from the Jewish background to the bible, but I like to know that it is from a credible backgrounds. I'm interested in Midrash and remez as traditional way of understanding scripture, these go back a really long way in to old testament times and don't have anything to do with disputed books.

HARK! said:

Zachary Bauer discusses how people all over the world are studying the word and coming to the conclusion that the seventh day is Shabbat. He says that many churches are troubled by this; because those who are most valuable to their churches, are usually the ones who are studying the word the most. As church leaders speak out against the Hebrew Roots, it only causes more people to start looking into what others have already realized. This reminds me of early Christianity. It couldn't be stopped. The more that Christians were fed to the lions, the more that onlookers would say to themselves, "maybe there is something to this, that these Christians have so much faith that they are wiling to die for it;" so Christianity continued to spread.

I'm convinced that YHWH is at work here.

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Sin is transgression of the law. The law was first broken in heaven by satan and the 1/3 angels. We are informed ... if one is broken then it is considered all have been broken.
So, it's not a Hebrew root thing .... it is that God's law is eternal and will remain so.

No doubt the Lord is at work.

I find it very odd that nobody will dispute the law (the 10), other than the 4th .... and then say the 4th is for Jews only. Pretty hypocritical actually. Some dismiss His law completely .... of which makes no sense at all .... how can Jesus judge rightly if there is no law?

The law is forever .... all will be judged by the law. The saved will be declared innocent (not that they are) because of what Jesus did on the cross and will be covered by His blood. The lost will be judged by the law as well but will not be covered by His blood, they will be found guilty of the law.

Law is to be kept out of love and for no other reasons. The work of the Holy Spirit is to help us overcome sin (transgression of the law) ..... so when that happens .... glory to God!

The 7th day is Shabbat .... from creation and that is a no-brainer ... the 4th commandment is a no brainer.

The law is eternal and always will be .... who is man that he thinks he can change the day the Lord created?

Daniel 7

English Standard Version
He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness--the son of destruction--is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 2:8
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and annihilate by the majesty of His arrival.

Who will pay attention to the truth of the Lord's Shabbat? Remains to be seen.

I started studying the Torah for myself a while back, then looked into finding more people who did. What I came across were people who uttered condemnation and prejudice, even claiming that reading the Hebrew bible was unbiblical! Imagine that.

After a while I got the impression that the issue is that these insecure people think those who read the real bible were Judaizing, or somehow positioning themselves to claim moral superiority. I figured that if Christian identity is so damn fragile, I'd rather have naysayers believe I'm Muslim than conclude that I'm Jewish. So much for going in grace.

It's fascinating how the hardest opponents of people returning to The Word, are the ones who outwardly identify as Christians. I mean, it's as if the "body of Christ" have been reduced to pretenders who are anything but. The Book of Revelations and talk of the antichrist come to mind, but it's such a tired trope already.

We can learn a lot from some of the jewish messianic Christians, but knowings what teachings are sound and which teaching are not need quite a bit of thinking about before knowing what is sound and acceptable. I quite like listening to Jacb Prasch at times, but I would find him easier to listen to if he did not shout so much. Jonathan Cahn can also be interestng, but sometimes I have questions in my mind. I also from time to time listen to J D Faraq, Amir Tsafarti, and Chuck Missler as well.

I like to think about what I hear and make up my own mind. Todays times are times when we need to be very careful about what we are willing to believe.

Trusting in Him said:

I like to think about what I hear and make up my own mind. Todays times are times when we need to be very careful about what we are willing to believe.

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Follow the prompting of the Holy Spirit and scripture. Re-occurring guilt may also be a burden to act upon what troubles you.

A big factor in the splitting up of a church that I attended about 15 years ago was the accusation that the pastor was trying to "make Jews of us"--when nothing could have been further from the truth. He was simply heavily emphasizing the grafted-in aspect of the almost-exclusively gentile church that I attended. Notwithstanding that, the ultimate message was always that the creation of "one new man" is, and always has been, about trust in the Christ. The resisters just couldn't understand that they had been reared in a replacement theology that devalued the truth that the Scriptures from Genesis to Revelation are all relevant, applicable, inspired, and pointing to the eternal reign of King Jesus.

Jesus was killed because of Shabbat law, in Mark 3:1-6 the Pharisee immediately want to kill him because of Exodus 31:15 so even upholding this at all is disrespectful to our Lord but we see things like Hebrews 7:1-28 that present a distinction while 2 Corinthians 3:1-18 drive home this point such that it cannot be ignored... this all results in things like Galatians 5:4 and thus the person ceases to be Christian at all outside their personal label.

Can anyone find a verse in the new testament that tells us to comply with the sabbath?

Frank Sophia said:

Jesus was killed because of Shabbat law, in Mark 3:1-6 the Pharisee immediately want to kill him because of Exodus 31:15 so even upholding this at all is disrespectful to our Lord but we see things like Hebrews 7:1-28 that present a distinction while 2 Corinthians 3:1-18 drive home this point such that it cannot be ignored... this all results in things like Galatians 5:4 and thus the person ceases to be Christian at all outside their personal label.

Can anyone find a verse in the new testament that tells us to comply with the sabbath?

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Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Matthew 12:8
For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Matthew 12:8
For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

https://www.lcg.org › beliefs › jesus-and-apostles-observed-sabbath-day

Jesus and the Apostles Observed the Sabbath Day | Beliefs | Living ...​

Jesus Christ showed and taught how to keep the Sabbath properly. He even called Himself "Lord of the Sabbath" (v. 28). Jesus gave no indication of abolishing the Sabbath, but rather set the perfect example of how to keep it—an example His Church followed—and spent part of His ministry on teaching how to keep it correctly.

Frank Sophia said:

Jesus was killed because of Shabbat law, in Mark 3:1-6 the Pharisee immediately want to kill him because of Exodus 31:15 so even upholding this at all is disrespectful to our Lord but we see things like Hebrews 7:1-28 that present a distinction while 2 Corinthians 3:1-18 drive home this point such that it cannot be ignored... this all results in things like Galatians 5:4 and thus the person ceases to be Christian at all outside their personal label.

Can anyone find a verse in the new testament that tells us to comply with the sabbath?

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John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.