WHY SALVATION CAN BE LOST

Christian7777777 · Jan 17, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
According to James if your faith does not have works all you have is the dead faith of devils (see James 2:17-26) Which agrees with John who shows that the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil is sin (breaking Gods' law) in 1 John 3:6-9. Therefore according to John no one can claim to know God while living in sin and disobedience to Gods' Word in 1 John 2:3-4.

Faith has works by believing in Christ risen, and the law is written in the heart, as law keeping is not works of faith..

Romans 2:15
Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

Christian7777777 · Jan 17, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
No not at all. Mercy was obtained in the Levitical Priesthoods, shadow laws of remission of sins through animal sacrifice pointing to Gods' sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all (see John 1:29; Hebrews 10:1-22).

Grace came through Christ, mercy ( grace) did not come in the Levitical priesthood..

Hebrews 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Christian7777777 · Jan 17, 2022

As the law not only made nothing perfect, it also had no grace and faith in it.

Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Christian7777777 · Jan 17, 2022

Circumcision was the law, and circumcision therefore has no faith or love in it ( the law has no faith and no love)

Galatians 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

Galatians 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Romans 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

We do not receive that Spirit through works of the law but by the hearing of faith..

Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Galatians 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Christian7777777 · Jan 17, 2022

As there was no faith, no love, no Spirit, no truth then in the Levitical priesthood( they without as were not made perfect.

Necessity of a CHANGE OF THE LAW, which is the BETTER THING GOD PROVIDED FOR US..

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Hebrews 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

LoveGodsWord · Jan 17, 2022

Christian7777777 said:
yes you do teazcxh law doctrine.

Romans 3:27
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Romans 4:13
For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Romans 4:14
For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

Romans 9:32
Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 3:2
This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Galatians 3:12
And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Philippians 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

It is Gods' law that leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith. If you have no law you have no knowledge of what sin is. If you have no knowledge of what sin is you do not know your a sinner in need of a Savior. If you have no need of a Saviour you have no salvation. Gods law is our school master that leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *Galatians 3:22-25. You may want to consider the words of Jesus in Matthew 9:12-13 But when Jesus heard that, he said to them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go you and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Do you know what this scripture means?

LoveGodsWord · Jan 17, 2022

Christian7777777 said:
Faith has works by believing in Christ risen, and the law is written in the heart, as law keeping is not works of faith..

Romans 2:15
Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

According to James if your faith does not have works all you have is the dead faith of devils (see James 2:17-26) Which agrees with John who shows that the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil is sin (breaking Gods' law) in 1 John 3:6-9. Therefore according to John no one can claim to know God while living in sin and disobedience to Gods' Word in 1 John 2:3-4.

LoveGodsWord · Jan 17, 2022

Christian7777777 said:
Grace came through Christ, mercy ( grace) did not come in the Levitical priesthood..

Hebrews 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Not relevant as we are discussion old covenant laws in Hebrews 7 and Hebrews 10. In the old covenant all the Levitical laws of the Priesthood and earthly Sanctuary pointed to the coming of Christ under the old covenant. Mercy under the old covenant was obtained in the Levitical Priesthoods, shadow laws of remission of sins through animal sacrifice pointing to Gods' sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all (see John 1:29; Hebrews 10:1-22).

LoveGodsWord · Jan 17, 2022

Christian7777777 said:
As the law not only made nothing perfect, it also had no grace and faith in it. Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

As posted earlier Hebrews 7 and Hebrews 10 are in regards to the Levitical Priesthood and the laws of animal sacrifices and sin offerings not Gods' 10 commandments that Gods' Word says in the new covenant give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 and leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith (Galatians 3:22-25).

LoveGodsWord · Jan 17, 2022

Christian7777777 said:
Circumcision was the law, and circumcision therefore has no faith or love in it ( the law has no faith and no love) We do not receive that Spirit through works of the law but by the hearing of faith..

Nope. There is no circumcision in Gods' 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) and according to Paul it is not important as it is written "Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God." 1 Corinthians 7:19. Circumcision is a shadow law of a new heart through faith which is a fulfillment of God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34.

LoveGodsWord · Jan 17, 2022

Christian7777777 said:
As there was no faith, no love, no Spirit, no truth then in the Levitical priesthood( they without as were not made perfect.

Necessity of a CHANGE OF THE LAW, which is the BETTER THING GOD PROVIDED FOR US..

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Hebrews 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

None of which has anything to do with God's 10 commandments. I wonder what Matthew 9:12-13 means?

Christian7777777 · Jan 17, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
It is Gods' law that leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith.

Gods law is what Israel sought..

Romans 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Christian7777777 · Jan 17, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
According to James if your faith does not have works all you have is the dead faith of devils (see James 2:17-26) Which agrees with John who shows that the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil is sin (breaking Gods' law) in 1 John 3:6-9. Therefore according to John no one can claim to know God while living in sin and disobedience to Gods' Word in 1 John 2:3-4.

Those in the law have no works, as works is not mercy, faith is mercy,m that is why through the faith of Christ we have mercy ( this is to be believed in and law is what kills and has no mercy in it)

James 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

Christian7777777 · Jan 17, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
In the old covenant all the Levitical laws of the Priesthood and earthly Sanctuary pointed to the coming of Christ under the old covenant. Mercy under the old covenant was obtained in the Levitical Priesthoods, shadow laws of remission of sins through animal sacrifice pointing to Gods' sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all (see John 1:29; Hebrews 10:1-22).

The law was a shadow, a shadow points but the Spirit ( Christ anointed with the Holy Ghost) leads us to peace..

Luke 1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

Luke 1:77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
78 Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,
79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Christian7777777 · Jan 17, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
Nope. There is no circumcision in Gods' 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) and according to Paul it is not important as it is written "Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God." 1 Corinthians 7:19. Circumcision is a shadow law of a new heart through faith which is a fulfillment of God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34.

Circumcision is part of the law, otherwise those who still circumcise would not be debtor to do the whole law..

Galatians 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

Christian7777777 · Jan 17, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
None of which has anything to do with God's 10 commandments. I wonder what Matthew 9:12-13 means?

Gods 10 commandments were in tables of stone, now they are written in the heart, to not be taught to b kept, that it nonsense when faith has them in there already.

Anyone teaching law observance teaches against the faith, or would only preach of Christ crucified and risen.

2 Corinthians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Christian7777777 · Jan 17, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
According to James if your faith does not have works all you have is the dead faith of devils (see James 2:17-26) .

You think you do well by leaving out the crucial part each time ?

It is put back in for you, not to avoid and ignore.

No man is justified by law, and we are justified by the faith of Jesus Christ..

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Christian7777777 · Jan 17, 2022

The law is nothing, as it is the promise of the Spirit through the righteousness of faith..

Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Christian7777777 · Jan 17, 2022

LoveGodsword, has lots of things to say, but has to dance and skip to never really say why he teaches law observance and at the same time says he teaches no such thing.

But for certain, LoveGodsword does and cannot, teach faith, as SDA is about sabbath necessity and also about abstaining from what they perceive as unclean.

Christian7777777 · Jan 17, 2022

I said already, anyone who engages with those in doctrines of necessity, also do not follow faith, otherwise we are told, in the faith, to avoid them.

They are answered and have nothing to say, and I did answer all.

I also cannot follow law, as I never joined a divided sect of Christianity.

1 Corinthians 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

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