Premillennialism ignores the tenses in the original Greek in order to sustain its teaching

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Is there a literal camp of the saints? Is there a literal beloved city? Unless these are symbolic terms for some spiritual application, these are literal places that are about to be surrounded by a very large amount of literal people.

Revelation 20 declares they live some where, and you know that it does. You do not seem to want to call that somewhere, Jerusalem. I still am not sure why you think Revelation 20 has to spell everything out to satisfy those, who are dead set against the words that are found in the chapter.

Obviously you have nothing. You just refuse to admit it.

(1) There is no mention of earthly Jerusalem in Revelation 20.
(2) The "camp of the saints" and the "beloved city" obviously pertain to the redeemed saints of God - true Israel, the NT Church. Obviously, we are looking at a spiritual description.
 
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That is your opinion. No Scripture indicates that at all. Since you cannot find Jerusalem in the chapter, how are you inserting Jesus even died into the chapter? Would that not have been in Jerusalem?

The Bible says: Jesus is the “the first resurrection” (Acts 26:23 and Revelation 20:6), "the firstborn from the dead" (Colossians 1:18), "the first begotten of the dead" (Revelation 1:5) and “the firstfruits of them that slept” (1 Corinthians 15:20).
 
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Is there a literal camp of the saints? Is there a literal beloved city? Unless these are symbolic terms for some spiritual application, these are literal places that are about to be surrounded by a very large amount of literal people.

Revelation 20 declares they live some where, and you know that it does. You do not seem to want to call that somewhere, Jerusalem. I still am not sure why you think Revelation 20 has to spell everything out to satisfy those, who are dead set against the words that are found in the chapter.

In 1 Peter 4:1, 5 Peter contrasts the righteous and the wicked, and then concludes: “Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin … Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick (or the living) and the dead.

2 Timothy 4:1 identifies the actual time when Adam's race will stand to account before the throne of God, saying, I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom.”

Adam’s race – in total – is therefore judged “at his (Christ’s) epifaneian (or) appearing and his kingdom.” Everyman that has ever lived from the foundation of the world will be then brought before the final judgment bar of God to account for their earthly lives. This is undoubtedly an all-inclusive general judgment. The persons involved and the occasion referred to could not be clearer.
  • The word zaō in the Greek simply means to live.
  • The word nekros in the Greek simply means dead and refers to a corpse.
Again: the text says this is “the time of the dead [Gr. nekros], that they should be judged” and you try to argue "this is the time the living unrighteous are judged."

What is more, these are judged at the second coming, not 1000 years+ later as you first claimed.

It doesn't matter whichever way you twist it, it still says the same thing. All mankind is judged when Jesus comes (“the righteous in Christ” or “the spiritually dead outside of Christ”). Mankind is found in one of these 2 camps.

Acts 17:30-31 reinforces my supposition: “And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”

He has not appointed days but "a day" (singular).

NASU says: "He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness."

NLT says: "he has set a day for judging the world with justice."

Jesus said in Matthew 16:27, For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.”

It is not just the righteous living and the righteous dead that are raised - as you argue, everyone must be raised because Paul says everyone is judged when Jesus comes and introduce His eternal kingdom.

In 1 Peter 4:1-5 Peter contrasts the righteous and the wicked, and then concludes: Who shall give account to him (Christ) that is ready to judge the quick (or the living) and the dead (1 Peter 4:5).

2 Timothy 4:1 identifies the actual time when Adam's race will stand to account before the throne of God, saying, I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom.”

Adam’s race – in total – is therefore judged “at his (Christ’s) epifaneian (or) appearing and his kingdom.” Everyman that has ever lived from the foundation of the world will be then brought before the final judgment bar of God to account for their earthly lives. This is undoubtedly an all-inclusive general judgment. The persons involved and the occasion referred to could not be clearer.

1 Corinthians 4:5 tells us: “judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.”

When you place Revelation 20:11-15 together with all the other Second coming passages you see that it correlates beautifully with them. In fact, it mirrors them in remarkable detail. You would search in vain to find any Scripture that corroborates the idea of another judgment day 1000 years after the coming of the Lord. Scripture does not divide the judgment of the righteous and the wicked by a protracted period of time. Premillennialism does.

The reading declares: And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”

Revelation 22:12 states: “behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.”

Romans 2:5, 6 indicates: “after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds.

Romans 2:16 tells us that Christ’s return will be “the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.”

Romans 14:10 asks: “why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.”

Romans 14:12 relates: every one of us shall give account of himself to God.”

Jesus said in Matthew 10:32-33: “Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.”

Jesus said in Luke 12:8-9: “Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.”

Jesus said in Mark 14:62: ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.”

Jesus said in Matthew 26:64: “I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.”

Jesus said in Matthew 24:29-31: “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”

Jesus said in Matthew 16:25-27: “For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.”

The Lord here compares the attitude of the believer to the unbeliever in life. He then relates the stark contrast between the two on judgement day, showing that those that surrender their lives to Christ in this life will experience eternal life on judgement day, whereas those who are selfish and live for themselves in this life will be exposed on judgement day for their folly and rebellion.
 
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The burden of proof is with you. You thought up this absurdity. You invented this extra-biblical theory. So, where does it teach this in the Bible that resurrected redeemed believers procreate and produce billions of wicked satanists?
Where are there currently billions of wicked Satanist? No, that is your burden of proof to figure out where they come from. They have to come from some where.
 
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The Bible says: Jesus is the “the first resurrection” (Acts 26:23 and Revelation 20:6), "the firstborn from the dead" (Colossians 1:18), "the first begotten of the dead" (Revelation 1:5) and “the firstfruits of them that slept” (1 Corinthians 15:20).
Revelation 20 does not say Jesus is the first resurrection. Revelation 20 does say after the Second Coming there is a first resurrection, and those resurrected reign with Christ for 1,000 years.
 
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Where are there currently billions of wicked Satanist? No, that is your burden of proof to figure out where they come from. They have to come from some where.

Answering a question with a question is avoidance. You obviously have nothing.

Let me change the question so you do not divert: Where does it teach in the Bible that resurrected redeemed believers procreate and produce billions of followers of Satan?
 
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Revelation 20 does not say Jesus is the first resurrection. Revelation 20 does say after the Second Coming there is a first resurrection, and those resurrected reign with Christ for 1,000 years.

Amils believe in interpreting Scripture with Scripture. They have multiple Scriptures to support their position. So far, you have nothing.

Nowhere in Scripture, including Revelation 20, tells us that the 1st resurrection happens at the second coming. That is preposterous. There cannot be 2 1st resurrections. That does not make sense. That is classic Premil hermeneutics.
 
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Answering a question with a question is avoidance. You obviously have nothing.

Let me change the question so you do not divert: Where does it teach in the Bible that resurrected redeemed believers procreate and produce billions of followers of Satan?
Still the wrong question.

Those resurrected in Revelation 20:4 have offspring. If they did not there would never be billions of people on earth.

Those resurrected humans did not procreate and produce followers of Satan.

After Satan was loosed some were decieved, like Eve was. Calling them Satanist or a follower of Satan would also apply to Eve. Show me a verse that shows God created Eve as a Satanist or follower of Satan. Then you have a point by comparing Scripture with Scripture in the logic of your nonsense question.
 
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Amils believe in interpreting Scripture with Scripture. They have multiple Scriptures to support their position. So far, you have nothing.

Nowhere in Scripture, including Revelation 20, tells us that the 1st resurrection happens at the second coming. That is preposterous. There cannot be 2 1st resurrections. That does not make sense. That is classic Premil hermeneutics.
The first resurrection is physical. That is classic John 3.

All first resurrections are of the physical body. Certainly there have been and will be more than one physical resurrection.

You have to be born physically just to exist. You have to die physically to shed Adam's sinful flesh and blood. No one is resurrected back into Adam's flesh and blood body and call that a first resurrection. That would be a death, or near death experience. Those in Christ do not even taste death. The soul is immediately resurrected from this dead corruptible flesh, to enter the permanent incorruptible physical body in Paradise. 2 Corinthians 5:1.
 
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Still the wrong question.

Those resurrected in Revelation 20:4 have offspring. If they did not there would never be billions of people on earth.

Those resurrected humans did not procreate and produce followers of Satan.

After Satan was loosed some were decieved, like Eve was. Calling them Satanist or a follower of Satan would also apply to Eve. Show me a verse that shows God created Eve as a Satanist or follower of Satan. Then you have a point by comparing Scripture with Scripture in the logic of your nonsense question.

Your whole pretext is wrong. That is why your whole argument is wrong. 2 wrongs do not make a right. You know you have nothing because the inspired text does not teach that.

Revelation relates to the here-and-now. When Jesus comes after Satan's little season the wicked are destroyed. This correlates with numerous second coming passages that show it to be the end. This totally forbids your theological speculations.

You have been unable to present us with one passage that teach the procreation of resurrected beings. That is because it is your own personal invention it does not exist in the Bible.
 
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The first resurrection is physical. That is classic John 3.

All first resurrections are of the physical body. Certainly there have been and will be more than one physical resurrection.

You have to be born physically just to exist. You have to die physically to shed Adam's sinful flesh and blood. No one is resurrected back into Adam's flesh and blood body and call that a first resurrection. That would be a death, or near death experience. Those in Christ do not even taste death. The soul is immediately resurrected from this dead corruptible flesh, to enter the permanent incorruptible physical body in Paradise. 2 Corinthians 5:1.

Who is "the first resurrection" in Acts 26:23 and Revelation 20:6?

Who is "the firstborn from the dead" in Colossians 1:18?

Who is "the firstfruits of them that slept" in 1 Corinthians 15:20?

Who is "first begotten of the dead" in Revelation 1:5?
 
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Still the wrong question.

Those resurrected in Revelation 20:4 have offspring. If they did not there would never be billions of people on earth.

Those resurrected humans did not procreate and produce followers of Satan.

After Satan was loosed some were decieved, like Eve was. Calling them Satanist or a follower of Satan would also apply to Eve. Show me a verse that shows God created Eve as a Satanist or follower of Satan. Then you have a point by comparing Scripture with Scripture in the logic of your nonsense question.

In Luke 20:34-36, Jesus basically compares the temporal imperfect state of this present age/world to the glory of the age/world to come. Jesus says: “The children of this world (or aion or age) marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy (or kataxioō) to obtain that world (or aion or age), and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.”

This couldn’t be any clearer. If there is no marriage and death then there is no procreation. Maybe you are portraying an age of widespread licentious fornication where no one marries and sexual immorality marks your new earth.

Those that are worthy to obtain the age to come are not mortals and not sinners; they are the glorified saints – who are said to never die. The Lord makes it clear “they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels.”

It is “the children of God” alone that are glorified and therefore past from life unto death. It is “they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world (or aion or age).” This privileged group no longer engage in temporal earthly relationships “Neither can they die any more.” First, we see it is only the elect that are worthy of inheriting the age to come, secondly, according to Jesus, death is not possible in the next age (i.e., “that age”). This favoured group cannot die because they possess eternal glorified bodies. This totally negates the Premil paradigm.

We cannot overlook the clear teaching that one must be “accounted worthy to obtain” the “world (or age)” to come. This is a very definite precondition for entering the new earth. That worthiness is obviously found in Christ. All that are saved when the Master returns will immediately be glorified, thus perfectly qualifying them to inhabit the newly regenerated earth. We see this mentioned in this reading. It is only those deemed fully justified that make it. There is only a certain type of person therefore that Christ counts worthy to “obtain” or tugchano meaning ‘to attain or secure an object or end’. It is a personal relation with Christ. There is no other ticket into the eternal state.

The children of the wicked one are not worthy to populate the new regenerated earth. As we have highlighted, the phrase “to obtain that world” is taken from the single Greek word kataxioo which means ‘to deem entirely deserving’. It plainly requires special merit to inherit the age to come.

Whilst the “children of this age marry, and are given in marriage” (according to Christ in Luke 20:34-36), Jesus presents the future age as a glorified place that is earned by those alone who are “accounted worthy to obtain that age.” These people are shown to be the glorified saints alone. This could never refer to the unsaved, mortals of any kind, or the nations that come against Jerusalem as some suggest. These would all obviously eventually die. Such people are expressly barred from the age to come. This is speaking about immortal glorified believers only.

You have countless heathens populating the new earth in their corrupt mortal bodies. You have all the vice of our day prospering in their millennial age. You have all the sin and debauchery and rebellion of our day continuing in that day. Contrary to what Jesus says, Premil has millennial mortals continuing to “marry, and are given in marriage” – just like “the children of this age.” You render millions of unregenerate unsaved worthy to inherit the new earth. They are “accounted worthy to obtain that age.” However, the words of Christ negate such a belief.
 
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Your whole pretext is wrong. That is why your whole argument is wrong. 2 wrongs do not make a right. You know you have nothing because the inspired text does not teach that.

Revelation relates to the here-and-now. When Jesus comes after Satan's little season the wicked are destroyed. This correlates with numerous second coming passages that show it to be the end. This totally forbids your theological speculations.

You have been unable to present us with one passage that teach the procreation of resurrected beings. That is because it is your own personal invention it does not exist in the Bible.
You have not either thus there will be no billions of people at the end.

No one will be on earth. Only those in Paradise and the Lake of Fire.
 
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Who is "the first resurrection" in Acts 26:23 and Revelation 20:6?

Who is "the firstborn from the dead" in Colossians 1:18?

Who is "the firstfruits of them that slept" in 1 Corinthians 15:20?

Who is "first begotten of the dead" in Revelation 1:5?
According to you no one is resurrected in Revelation 20:6. There is no one on earth at that resurrection.

If Revelation 20:6 is the ressurection in Matthew 27, all those people had just been beheaded? Where in Matthew 27 does it claim those humans were beheaded?
 
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You have not either thus there will be no billions of people at the end.

No one will be on earth. Only those in Paradise and the Lake of Fire.

Answer the question instead of always voicing your own opinions. Which text teaches the resurrected redeemed can procreate?
 
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According to you no one is resurrected in Revelation 20:6. There is no one on earth at that resurrection.

If Revelation 20:6 is the ressurection in Matthew 27, all those people had just been beheaded? Where in Matthew 27 does it claim those humans were beheaded?

Revelation 20:6 simply says, “Blessed and holy is he ‘that hath part’ (present active particle) in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power.”

The Greek word for "first" (as in first resurrection) is protos. It is a contracted superlative meaning foremost (in time, place, order and/or importance). So which is the "first" (or protos) resurrection - Christ's or the resurrection that occurs at the second coming? This is a pretty simply question.

Which is the foremost resurrection in time?
Which is the foremost resurrection in place?
Which is the foremost resurrection in order?
Which is the foremost resurrection in importance?

Christ's resurrection is the "first" or foremost resurrection in time.
Christ's resurrection is the "first" or foremost resurrection in place.
Christ's resurrection is the "first" or foremost resurrection in order.
Christ's resurrection is the "first" or foremost resurrection in importance.

Many overlook the phrase "hath part." Whatever that refers to will seal this debate. The unfortunate thing for Premils is that it is present tense. So whatever resurrection it is speaking of, believers currently have their "part" in it. Whatever “the first resurrection” is, participation in it qualifies humans’ to escape the horrors of eternal punishment (the second death). In this experience Christians identify with Christ’s victorious resurrection.

The Greek for “that hath part” is echo méros. The Greek verb echo correctly interpreted “that hath” in the King James Version is written in the present tense and in the active voice. Therefore, we can view the relevance and vitality of “the first resurrection” as being both current and ongoing. Christ’s victory over death is not simply a past event that has no active bearing upon what we are today; it is ongoing reality in the lives of God’s people. The Greek word translated “part” in the text is the word meros meaning share, allotment or portion. This reading tells us that all those that have come to the joy of saving faith in Christ have become partakers in the resurrection life, and through this will escape the horrors of the second death – eternal wrath.

This passage is describing the reality and result of our mystical union with Christ. The expression “in Christ” [Gr. en Christo] is found 216 times in the New Testament and refers to our federal and covenantal standing. It shows us that our spiritual status is totally derived from and dependent upon relationship with Christ. Upon salvation we are united to Christ. He is the head we are the body. The blessing, decisions and authority come through the head.
 
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In Luke 20:34-36, Jesus basically compares the temporal imperfect state of this present age/world to the glory of the age/world to come. Jesus says: “The children of this world (or aion or age) marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy (or kataxioō) to obtain that world (or aion or age), and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.”

This couldn’t be any clearer. If there is no marriage and death then there is no procreation. Maybe you are portraying an age of widespread licentious fornication where no one marries and sexual immorality marks your new earth.

Those that are worthy to obtain the age to come are not mortals and not sinners; they are the glorified saints – who are said to never die. The Lord makes it clear “they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels.”

It is “the children of God” alone that are glorified and therefore past from life unto death. It is “they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world (or aion or age).” This privileged group no longer engage in temporal earthly relationships “Neither can they die any more.” First, we see it is only the elect that are worthy of inheriting the age to come, secondly, according to Jesus, death is not possible in the next age (i.e., “that age”). This favoured group cannot die because they possess eternal glorified bodies. This totally negates the Premil paradigm.

We cannot overlook the clear teaching that one must be “accounted worthy to obtain” the “world (or age)” to come. This is a very definite precondition for entering the new earth. That worthiness is obviously found in Christ. All that are saved when the Master returns will immediately be glorified, thus perfectly qualifying them to inhabit the newly regenerated earth. We see this mentioned in this reading. It is only those deemed fully justified that make it. There is only a certain type of person therefore that Christ counts worthy to “obtain” or tugchano meaning ‘to attain or secure an object or end’. It is a personal relation with Christ. There is no other ticket into the eternal state.

The children of the wicked one are not worthy to populate the new regenerated earth. As we have highlighted, the phrase “to obtain that world” is taken from the single Greek word kataxioo which means ‘to deem entirely deserving’. It plainly requires special merit to inherit the age to come.

Whilst the “children of this age marry, and are given in marriage” (according to Christ in Luke 20:34-36), Jesus presents the future age as a glorified place that is earned by those alone who are “accounted worthy to obtain that age.” These people are shown to be the glorified saints alone. This could never refer to the unsaved, mortals of any kind, or the nations that come against Jerusalem as some suggest. These would all obviously eventually die. Such people are expressly barred from the age to come. This is speaking about immortal glorified believers only.

You have countless heathens populating the new earth in their corrupt mortal bodies. You have all the vice of our day prospering in their millennial age. You have all the sin and debauchery and rebellion of our day continuing in that day. Contrary to what Jesus says, Premil has millennial mortals continuing to “marry, and are given in marriage” – just like “the children of this age.” You render millions of unregenerate unsaved worthy to inherit the new earth. They are “accounted worthy to obtain that age.” However, the words of Christ negate such a belief.
First off the age to come was the Cross, and the church in Paradise. That is already a fact in Paradise for the last 1991 years. So you are covered on your verses, and they have already been fulfilled. Those in Abraham's bosom have entered the heavenly kingdom and enjoying all the physical aspects of the kingdom without observation. No marriage or procreation ever again for them. Not then, not now, and not in the NHNE.

Secondly, all that has nothing whatsoever to do with the resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6. The church is not on the earth then. So you have no one on earth period.

You have them "disembarking" the New Jerusalem to go find a single person dwelling on earth, because obviously there is no getting together ever again, according to Amil.
 
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First off the age to come was the Cross, and the church in Paradise. That is already a fact in Paradise for the last 1991 years. So you are covered on your verses, and they have already been fulfilled. Those in Abraham's bosom have entered the heavenly kingdom and enjoying all the physical aspects of the kingdom without observation. No marriage or procreation ever again for them. Not then, not now, and not in the NHNE.

Secondly, all that has nothing whatsoever to do with the resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6. The church is not on the earth then. So you have no one on earth period.

You have them "disembarking" the New Jerusalem to go find a single person dwelling on earth, because obviously there is no getting together ever again, according to Amil.

How could it be? God's people were already in "this age" when this was predicted. The "age to come" comes after "this age." This is another example of you changing the meaning of the text in order to fit your non-corroborative extra-biblical speculations.

The dead in Christ will never be "disembarking" the New Jerusalem to go find a single person dwelling on earth. You are forcing your false claims upon Amil. But they will never fit.

You cannot even accept when Revelation 20 relates to, and then force impossibility upon this age. The age to come in Scripture follows the second coming. You cannot even see that. Then perfection, incorruption and immortality arrives.
 
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How could it be? They were already in "this age." The "age to come" comes after "this age." This is another example of you changing the meaning of the text in order to fit your non-corroborative extra-biblical speculations.

The dead in Christ will never be "disembarking" the New Jerusalem to go find a single person dwelling on earth. You are forcing your false claims upon Amil. But they will never fit.

You cannot even accept when Revelation 20 relates to, and then force impossibility upon this age. The age to come in Scripture follows the second coming. You cannot even see that. Then perfection, incorruption and immortality arrives.
As long as you agree no more procreation ever.
 
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