Did Joe Biden go too far

Der Alte said:

If Trump had cheated in the past election, with his money he would have done a much better job instead of losing by such a large margin. I got eyeballs where were those millions of Joe's followers during the rallies. e.g. Joe speechifying to virtually empty spaces.

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Rally crowd size is irrelevant. Voters made their preference clear with their ballots.

Aldebaran said:

Not really. It takes far more effort and time to show support by traveling to a large rally where a candidate is speaking than to simply stand in line on election day and fill in a circle next to the candidate's name. If people are willing to go to rallies, they're certainly willing to vote. That, along with all the ballot-harvesting and other measures that were done by biden's party indicates that the peoples' votes were accurately counted.

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I don’t know anyone who has or would go to a candidate rally but they certainly vote.

What is the reason for a filibuster and why did the Democrats use it over 300 times in the last five years?

Der Alte said:

If Trump had cheated in the past election, with his money he would have done a much better job instead of losing by such a large margin.

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Money is no substitute for competence.

TLK Valentine said:

Money is no substitute for competence.

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Nonsensical reply. If there had not been widespread fraud Trump would have been in the WH. Just compare Trump's accomplishments vs. Biden's. How about Trump's approval rating vs. Biden's? Did Trump ever drop to 33%? I guess Trump caused that too.

Der Alte said:

If there had not been widespread fraud Trump would have been in the WH.

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Is this the very same widespread fraud that left no trace of evidence of its existence?
Schrodinger’s Fraud?

Pommer said:

Is this the very same widespread fraud that left no trace of evidence of its existence?
Schrodinger’s Fraud?

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You know, that "defense" has long since become offensive. At first it was denied that there was any fraud at all or that there COULD have been any. Then it was adjusted into the claim that there was no "evidence" of fraud, then no "significant" amount of fraud, and now people on that side just say whatever occurs to them, so long as it's some sort of denial.

But there is a mountain of evidence of fraud and sworn testimony of eyewitnesses, videos, government records, and so forth. While some of it may not hold up to scrutiny, it is nonsense to use (and mean it) any of these defenses.

What is reasonable is to say we don't know if the election outcome would have been different were it not for all of this, but it's the Democrats who have done everything in their power to prevent the investigation that would have put the issue to rest for good. That doesn't speak very well for their private confidence that there wasn't enough fraud to have mattered.

Der Alte said:

If there had not been widespread fraud Trump would have been in the WH.

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And yet, for all Donald's money, he couldn't hire a legal team competent enough to prove that in any court in the country.

I mean seriously, not one. Their failure wasn't just legendary, it was hilarious.

Aldebaran said:

Those who go to rallies are the more enthusiastic about their candidate. The more enthusiasm they have for the candidate, the more likely they are to vote.

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Those who go to rallies like rallies. Sure you can probably predict that they are definitely voting for that candidate but rally attendance does not equate to the election winner as we have seen in 2020.

Albion said:

But there is a mountain of evidence of fraud and sworn testimony of eyewitnesses, videos, government records, and so forth. While some of it may not hold up to scrutiny....

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Well some of it must have stood up to scrutiny. Beats me why they didn't take it to court.

Edit: Oh, they did? Well then. Some of it must have been proven to be true.

re Edit: What? None of it? But wait until they hit a few courts. One of them will see the truth.

re re Edit: Sixty? You're kidding...But surely we could trust what lawyers like Sidney Powell were telling us.

re re re Edit: She said whaaat?

Aldebaran said:

Those who go to rallies are the more enthusiastic about their candidate. The more enthusiasm they have for the candidate, the more likely they are to vote.

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People who voted for Biden had jobs, families, and friends. They didn’t have time to go to a campaign rally. They voted and that was all the support they needed to give. Biden didn’t demand their undying love like Trump does.

Aldebaran said:

Now you're doing the strawman fallacy that millions of people show up at Trump rallies because Trump demands it.
Is that your best argument?

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I’m not saying you have to give it to him. As much as he sometimes acts like he can do whatever he wants, you can ignore him. I don’t think they went under penalty of death or anything. More that they just had ample time on their hands unlike Biden supporters who had jobs, families aNd friends. Biden could care less whether anyone showed up to his rallies. He only needed his supporters to vote. Trump likes to talk about his crowd size and ratings like they actually matter in deciding who is the president.

Aldebaran said:

It still remains true that Trump's supporters don't show up at his rallies because Trump "demands" it. They do it because they want to. Just like when I watched part of his latest rally on TV. I watched it because I wanted to see it and what he'd say. It certainly wasn't out of any sense of duty.

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Biden supporters don’t have time for that. They have jobs, families, and friends so they can’t just wait outside an auditorium for hours on end and then in the auditorium, just to hear Biden speak.

GreatLakes4Ever said:

Biden supporters don’t have time for that. They have jobs, families, and friends so they can’t just wait outside an auditorium for hours on end and then in the auditorium, just to hear Biden speak.

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Besides, if Biden has anything especially urgent to say, he can just Tweet it.