Florida continues to kill it!

essentialsaltes · Jan 15, 2022

DeSantis says he regrets not speaking out 'much louder' against Trump's recommendation to stay home

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said one of his biggest regrets in office was not speaking out "much louder" in March 2020, when former President Donald Trump advised the nation to stay home to slow the fast-spreading coronavirus.

DeSantis' remark Thursday follows reports that Trump has privately grumbled about the lack of fealty from his former protege. In conversations with allies, previously reported by CNN, Trump has expressed displeasure that DeSantis, one of the Republican Party's most-talked about leaders, has declined to publicly rule out a 2024 presidential bid if Trump seeks another four-year term.

Indeed, days before DeSantis' podcast appearance, Trump seemed to call out the Republican governor during an interview released Tuesday night. Trump described politicians who won't say if they received a coronavirus booster shot are "gutless."

DaisyDay · Jan 15, 2022

Sigh. Trumpier than Trump himself.

iluvatar5150 · Jan 15, 2022

essentialsaltes said:
DeSantis says he regrets not speaking out 'much louder' against Trump's recommendation to stay home

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said one of his biggest regrets in office was not speaking out "much louder" in March 2020, when former President Donald Trump advised the nation to stay home to slow the fast-spreading coronavirus.

DeSantis' remark Thursday follows reports that Trump has privately grumbled about the lack of fealty from his former protege. In conversations with allies, previously reported by CNN, Trump has expressed displeasure that DeSantis, one of the Republican Party's most-talked about leaders, has declined to publicly rule out a 2024 presidential bid if Trump seeks another four-year term.

Indeed, days before DeSantis' podcast appearance, Trump seemed to call out the Republican governor during an interview released Tuesday night. Trump described politicians who won't say if they received a coronavirus booster shot are "gutless."

The same people who'll vote for this guy will foam at the mouth over Andrew Cuomo sending sick people back into nursing homes.

Pommer · Jan 15, 2022

iluvatar5150 said:
The same people who'll vote for this guy will foam at the mouth over Andrew Cuomo sending sick people back into nursing homes.

Doubleplus goodthought comrade.

Oompa Loompa · Jan 16, 2022

loveofourlord said:
Do you have reading comprehension problem?

I was just curious as to why you randomly posted florida's numbers when you believe they are not accurate. Then you go on to say it may actually be as high as 50. Sure...whatever. Even if it was double that, they would still be less than half the death toll as New York who has aggressive mandates. The point is that the statistics and the science seems to suggest that mandates have little to no effect on curbing the virus.

loveofourlord · Jan 16, 2022

Oompa Loompa said:
I was just curious as to why you randomly posted florida's numbers when you believe they are not accurate. Then you go on to say it may actually be as high as 50. Sure...whatever. Even if it was double that, they would still be less than half the death toll as New York who has aggressive mandates. The point is that the statistics and the science seems to suggest that mandates have little to no effect on curbing the virus.

New york is a essentially one big city with everyone centralized, Florida is far more spread out and can easily have pockets with no disease while others have big outbreaks. Your comparing apples to oranges.

And again reading comprehension, I explained why.

Oompa Loompa · Jan 16, 2022

loveofourlord said:
New york is a essentially one big city with everyone centralized, Florida is far more spread out and can easily have pockets with no disease while others have big outbreaks. Your comparing apples to oranges.

And again reading comprehension, I explained why.

So what you are telling me is that the covid mandates don't work in New York because it is densly populated but mandates would work in Florida?

Oompa Loompa · Jan 16, 2022

How vaccines started vs. What's left of it?

loveofourlord · Jan 16, 2022

Oompa Loompa said:
So what you are telling me is that the covid mandates don't work in New York because it is densly populated but mandates would work in Florida?

really again reading comprehension, and so's law breaking you really are bad at this done talking to you.

But to be kind I will explain, new york's mandates do help from making it worse, but Florida has been doing one of the worst states with many issues. Why do you think they have to lie about their numbers.

Oompa Loompa · Jan 16, 2022

loveofourlord said:
really again reading comprehension, and so's law breaking you really are bad at this done talking to you.

But to be kind I will explain, new york's mandates do help from making it worse, but Florida has been doing one of the worst states with many issues. Why do you think they have to lie about their numbers.

Can you provide any emperical evidence that the mask mandates have any significant effect? Because it seems as though that the trends are almost identical in every state regardless of their mandates. Many, to include health experts, are now saying that it isn't a question of "if" you get COVID, but "when". So I ask myself what is the point of wearing a mask if it is for no other reason than to delay the inevitable. I think it is best to just get vaccinated and let the darn thing run it's course like we do every flu season. Because likely, as the health experts are saying, the virus is here to stay.

Oh...BTW, please don't insult me. Personal insults are usually a good indicator that you have a losing argument. It says you must attack the person because you cannot attack the merits of the argument.

"really again reading comprehension, and so's law breaking you really are bad at this done talking to you."

What would you think if rather than challenging your points, I insulted your poor use of punctuation?

KCfromNC · Jan 17, 2022

Oompa Loompa said:
How vaccines started vs. What's left of it?

The part where vaccinated people are less likely to get and spread the disease and way less likely to end up hospitalized or dead from it.

KCfromNC · Jan 17, 2022

Oompa Loompa said:
Can you provide any emperical evidence that the mask mandates have any significant effect?

Pediatric COVID-19 Cases in Counties...

Oompa Loompa · Jan 17, 2022

KCfromNC said:
The part where vaccinated people are less likely to get and spread the disease and way less likely to end up hospitalized or dead from it.

That is absolutely not what the American people have been sold regarding the vaccines. We were promised that if got the vaccine we:

1. Would be immune to the virus and it would "shut it down".
2. We would no longer need to worry about being hospitalized.
3. We would no longer need to wear a mask and we could live our normal lives again.
4. It was completely safe, although studies are now showing that more boosters result in a lower immunity to the virus making you more susceptible to repeat infections.
Covid Boosters Could Weaken Immune System, EU Regulators Warn - NewsRescue.com

So it seems accurate to say that the only thing left is " because the government says so."

Oompa Loompa · Jan 17, 2022

KCfromNC said:
Pediatric COVID-19 Cases in Counties...

Very informative. Thank you for the link. But may I ask if having a mean average of 40 fewer infections per 100,000 students constitutes a "significant change"? My point is not to suggest that masks don't work (if properly worn). Rather, are they worth it? Especially with a more contagious variant like Omicron. Advisors are now telling the president that eventually everyone WILL eventually become infected and that the virus is here to stay. So it appears that the only notable effect of mask wearing is delaying the inevitable. Sure, it will modestly slow down the rates of infection and take some strain off of the healthcare system. But unless mask mandates become a permanent part of our lives, I think it is time to change course.

KCfromNC · Jan 18, 2022

Oompa Loompa said:
That is absolutely not what the American people have been sold regarding the vaccines. We were promised that if got the vaccine we:

1. Would be immune to the virus and it would "shut it down".

This is false. Even the earliest results quoted against the original strain of covid weren't sold as 100% immunity.

Edited to add

So it seems accurate to say that the only thing left is " because the government says so."

Plus the data showing that the unvaccinated are over represented in case counts, hospitalizations, ICU beds and deaths. For some reason your post completely avoided discussing that and instead tried to change the subject.

KCfromNC · Jan 18, 2022

Oompa Loompa said:
Very informative. Thank you for the link. But may I ask if having a mean average of 40 fewer infections per 100,000 students constitutes a "significant change"?

I posted empirical evidence you asked for. I absolve myself of any responsibility for what you try to do with that information.

iluvatar5150 · Jan 18, 2022

Oompa Loompa said:
That is absolutely not what the American people have been sold regarding the vaccines. We were promised that if got the vaccine we:

1. Would be immune to the virus and it would "shut it down".

You were never promised that.

2. We would no longer need to worry about being hospitalized.

You were never promised that.

3. We would no longer need to wear a mask and we could live our normal lives again.

And then the virus changed and vaccines started wearing off.

4. It was completely safe, although studies are now showing that more boosters result in a lower immunity to the virus making you more susceptible to repeat infections.
Covid Boosters Could Weaken Immune System, EU Regulators Warn - NewsRescue.com

The problem isn't "more boosters". It's "frequent boosters." Your own article says the recommendation is to just space them out. Lots of safe medications are harmful if you take too much.
Frequent Boosters Spur Warning on Immune Response

Oompa Loompa · Jan 18, 2022

KCfromNC said:
This is false. Even the earliest results quoted against the original strain of covid weren't sold as 100% immunity.

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden offered an absolute guarantee Wednesday that people who get their COVID-19 vaccines are completely protected from infection, sickness and death from the coronavirus. The reality is not that cut and dried.

AP FACT CHECK: Biden goes too far in assurances on vaccines

You were saying...

Oompa Loompa · Jan 18, 2022

iluvatar5150 said:
You were never promised that.

You were never promised that.

And then the virus changed and vaccines started wearing off.

The problem isn't "more boosters". It's "frequent boosters." Your own article says the recommendation is to just space them out. Lots of safe medications are harmful if you take too much.
Frequent Boosters Spur Warning on Immune Response

AP FACT CHECK: Biden goes too far in assurances on vaccines

You were saying...

Oompa Loompa · Jan 18, 2022

I am seeing a notable trend in which a liberal's claim of "misinformation" is actually them being ill-informed.

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