The Acceptance Of Homosexuality, LGBT

Tionbai said:

I understand that in a biological sense, it is unnatural. Gays cannot reproduce.

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It's simply not true. Male couples adopt and female couples can each have children with help of the same fertility clinics that any couples use. I know female couples that have each had their own child. The two children can even be blood siblings. So the reproduction point is moot.

SkyWriting said:

It's simply not true. Male couples adopt and female couples can each have children with help of the same fertility clinics that any couples use. I know female couples that have each had their own child. The two children can even be blood siblings. So the reproduction point is moot.

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Hi, thank you for your response.

What I mean is reproduce biologically with each other. Of course, they can adopt or conceive through other opposite-sex partners.

When I was with my girlfriend, this was something we were aware of. Else we would be living in la-la land. I wished we could just have children naturally where only the two of us were the child's parents like heterosexuals can. Not every heterosexual couple, but the biology is not in the way in a general sense. Not because there's anything wrong with adopting, I think that is a beautiful thing. But it is sad knowing that you cannot share the partnered life with your partner 100% because you are literally going against nature.

I understand that this is hard for some homosexuals (but I find it more often for allies) to accept, as there is this inclination to go into denial whenever there's a defect or downside mentioned, but this is really the truth. Ironically, I often find homosexuals are more willing to be blunt about the downsides and it being unnatural than non-homosexuals who are allies, just because allies want to defend homosexuals so much. Which is lovely, but not very beneficial in an objective/logical sense. And doesn't get us anywhere except making homosexuals feel better in the short term.

Tionbai said:

I understand that this is hard for some homosexuals (but I find it more often for allies) to accept, as there is this inclination to go into denial whenever there's a defect or downside mentioned, but this is really the truth.

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We each hold our own imaginary truths. And you have yours.

Ironically, I often find homosexuals are more willing to be blunt about the downsides and it being unnatural than non-homosexuals who are allies, just because allies want to defend homosexuals so much. Which is lovely, but not very beneficial in an objective/logical sense. And doesn't get us anywhere except making homosexuals feel better in the short term.

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When you say "Short -term" this means for the rest of our natural lives on earth.
I don't consider that with the same sadness as you or limitations.

Galatians 6:2
Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.

1 John 3:17
But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?

1 Corinthians 10:24
Let no one seek his own good, but the good of his neighbor.

Romans 15:2
Let each of us please his neighbor for his good, to build him up

JohnPaul88 said:

I find it disturbing how so many Churches and Christians are advocating for homosexuals to be accepted into the Church, I see increasingly amounts of rainbow flags hanging on Churches and all.

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I find it disturbing how so many Churches and Christians devalue the Golden Rule.

Romans 15:2
Let each of us please his neighbor for his good, to build him up

Luke 10:27
And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.”

Romans 13:10
Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

SkyWriting said:

We each hold our own imaginary truths. And you have yours.


When you say "Short -term" this means for the rest of our natural lives on earth.
I don't consider that with the same sadness as you or limitations.

Galatians 6:2
Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.

1 John 3:17
But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?

1 Corinthians 10:24
Let no one seek his own good, but the good of his neighbor.

Romans 15:2
Let each of us please his neighbor for his good, to build him up

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I am not sure why you are getting so defensive. All I am saying is that homosexuals cannot reproduce naturally.

Tionbai said:

I am not sure why you are getting so defensive. All I am saying is that homosexuals cannot reproduce naturally.

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Because it's a worthless, wrong, and hateful view. People are not farm animals used to create more meat. It also applies to me and my wife and is hateful. It's no more true of them than anyone unable to reproduce. I know gays who have birthed far more children than I have.

SkyWriting said:

Because it's a worthless, wrong, and hateful view. People are not farm animals used to create more meat. It also applies to me and my wife and is hateful. It's no more true of them than anyone unable to reproduce. I know gays who have birthed far more children than I have.

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... That makes no sense. Homosexual people cannot naturally reproduce with each other. This is a correct view. And a small part of my original post. I even mentioned what you wrote about not all heterosexuals being able reproduce. You are hysterical. And you need to take your own advice, you are neither building up nor being very loving atm.

Tionbai said:

... That makes no sense. Homosexual people cannot naturally reproduce with each other.

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You are not a Farmer creating meat for consumption. So your comment is pure hate for some group you dislike, this week. Next week it might be blacks you don't like. It's hard to predict what you are planning.

SkyWriting said:

You are not a Farmer creating meat for consumption. So your comment is pure hate for some group you dislike, this week. Next week it might be blacks you don't like. It's hard to predict what you are planning.

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I think you did not read my message at all, seeing as I am myself gay. So when me and my girlfriend couldn't have biological babies with each other, I wonder if you think that was a wrong and hateful view, or simply a fact.

God bless you, and I pray he delivers you from what you are suffering from. Take care <3

coffee4u said:

I have no idea why you are trying to make something up to argue with me over? Have I somehow offended you? I realize Americans do offend very easily.

My post was not about that.

Show me where I said any of that.
Please don't put words into my mouth that I never uttered.

If you continue making up things I will have to assume your intent is to stir up trouble.
Titus 3:10

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You said Jesus died for the entire world--He did open the door to all, but i showed you what it takes. He said Few will find the road and compared these last days to Noahs day--99.9% perished by Gods hand in Noahs day. Its not causing trouble showing one truth.

SkyWriting said:

Peter and the apostles tell the church leaders to get lost because their evangelism efforts are legal under local law.

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Jesus allready told those religious leaders off, they were apostocised Matthew 23--verse 38 shows they are cut off of being Gods chosen. The govts are ruled by satan. Always put God first.

keiw said:

Jesus allready told those religious leaders off, they were apostocised Matthew 23--verse 38 shows they are cut off of being Gods chosen. The govts are ruled by satan. Always put God first.

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Scripture makes the claim that Governments are ruled by God.
The men referred to by Peter were the church leaders.
I use scripture for my slogans in this issue.



Hebrews 13:17
Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.

1 Peter 2:18-20
Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust. For this is a gracious thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrows while suffering unjustly. For what credit is it if, when you sin and are beaten for it, you endure? But if when you do good and suffer for it you endure, this is a gracious thing in the sight of God.

Romans 13:1-7
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

Tionbai said:

I think you did not read my message at all, seeing as I am myself gay. So when me and my girlfriend couldn't have biological babies with each other, I wonder if you think that was a wrong and hateful view, or simply a fact. God bless you, and I pray he delivers you from what you are suffering from.

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I wouldn't make any generalized statements about couples living natural
or not because they would be hateful lies based on some agenda.

Couples choose who they wish to live with and outside parties
can only guess what those reasons might be. Otherwise we would
ask our Tribe members to do the choosing for us.

Tionbai said:

I am not sure why you are getting so defensive. All I am saying is that homosexuals cannot reproduce naturally.

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They do, even without your approval.

SkyWriting said:

Scripture makes the claim that Governments are ruled by God.
The men referred to by Peter were the church leaders.
I use scripture for my slogans in this issue.



Hebrews 13:17
Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.

1 Peter 2:18-20
Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust. For this is a gracious thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrows while suffering unjustly. For what credit is it if, when you sin and are beaten for it, you endure? But if when you do good and suffer for it you endure, this is a gracious thing in the sight of God.

Romans 13:1-7
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

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Thats right we are in subjection to them, but not if they do things in opposition to Jesus Fathers will. God is put first.
In your scenario, when Rev 16 occurs you will follow the govt to stand in opposition to Gods king, proving your thinking on the matter is error. Yes submit to govt authority, unless it contradicts Gods views. Govt has kicked god out. seperation of church and state. They are promoting homsexuality and transgenderism. a Follower of Gods will do not accept either. As well would NEVER stand on both sides of the wars of hatred and greed killing one another. The only freedoms a govt gives is the freedom to sin. Satan is the ruler of this world. If God is not allowed in somewhere is because satan owns it.
And how about when the govt official you voted for is corrupt? then you cast a vote for corruption.

keiw said:

Thats right we are in subjection to them, but not if they do things in opposition to Jesus Fathers will. God is put first.
In your scenario, when Rev 16 occurs you will follow the govt to stand in opposition to Gods king, proving your thinking on the matter is error. Yes submit to govt authority, unless it contradicts Gods views. Govt has kicked god out.
Separation of church and state.

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The Church of England ruling power was not a good idea.
Nobody wants a church to have any political power.
It's silly to say you do because you haven't said that, yet.

keiw said:

Thats right we are in subjection to them, but not if they do things in opposition to Jesus Fathers will. God is put first. In your scenario, when Rev 16 occurs ...

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Where does Rev 16 say what, about churches?
Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 16 - New International Version

keiw said:

Thats right we are in subjection to them, but not if they do things in opposition to Jesus Fathers will.

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Local government is God's will for man. Especially when it harms you.


Hebrews 13:17
Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.

1 Peter 2:18-20
Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust. For this is a gracious thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrows while suffering unjustly. For what credit is it if, when you sin and are beaten for it, you endure? But if when you do good and suffer for it you endure, this is a gracious thing in the sight of God.

1 Timothy 5:17
Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching.

Romans 13:1-7
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. ...

1 Peter 2:13-17
Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.

Titus 3:1-2
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work, to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people.

1 Timothy 2:2
For kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way.

Tionbai said:

Hi, thank you for your response.

What I mean is reproduce biologically with each other. Of course, they can adopt or conceive through other opposite-sex partners.

When I was with my girlfriend, this was something we were aware of. Else we would be living in la-la land. I wished we could just have children naturally where only the two of us were the child's parents like heterosexuals can. Not every heterosexual couple, but the biology is not in the way in a general sense. Not because there's anything wrong with adopting, I think that is a beautiful thing. But it is sad knowing that you cannot share the partnered life with your partner 100% because you are literally going against nature.

I understand that this is hard for some homosexuals (but I find it more often for allies) to accept, as there is this inclination to go into denial whenever there's a defect or downside mentioned, but this is really the truth. Ironically, I often find homosexuals are more willing to be blunt about the downsides and it being unnatural than non-homosexuals who are allies, just because allies want to defend homosexuals so much. Which is lovely, but not very beneficial in an objective/logical sense. And doesn't get us anywhere except making homosexuals feel better in the short term.

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Do you feel the same way about heterosexuals who can't reproduce biologically?

SkyWriting said:

The Church of England ruling power was not a good idea.
Nobody wants a church to have any political power.
It's silly to say you do because you haven't said that, yet.

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In the OT, The Israelites king was the spiritual leader. When one kicks God out--satan rules.