want to talk about OSAS?

Are you an OSAS believer?

  • yes

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  • no

    Votes: 32 51.6%
  • of course

    Votes: 3 4.8%

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Wasn't Jesus specifically refering to the sin of adultery in John 8:11 ? Of course it's not like he wanted her to start stealing or sin in other ways, but it was time for her to stop living in adultery.

So only adultery is the kind of sin whereby we are to “sin no more”? Adultery can be just looking at a woman in lust (Which is more difficult for men than say other sins like theft, and murder). Theft, swear words, and lying are the kinds of sins whereby we don’t have to “sin no more”? If that is what you are saying, that does not make any sense. I believe Jesus was referring to all sin in her life that is grievous or mortal sin that can condemn her before God. Surely she would not be sinless in other areas if she was committing adultery. For sin has a way of infecting a person and spreading like a cancer in other areas of our life. The application for us today is that our Lord does not want us to commit any mortal sin of any kind the rest of our lives. That is God’s goal because if it wasn’t, God would be in agreement with sin (Which is not possible in reality for God because He is Holy, just, and good).

The apostle Paul says:
“…let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.” (2 Corinthians 7:1).
 
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OSAS is clearly one of the biggest false doctrines in the church today. There are too many warnings in Scripture to suggest that it is even remotely true. Supposed Eternal Security verses are taken out of context to the rest of the Bible to make it fit or work. The whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation is about how we have free will to choose either God and His good ways, or our own unbiblical version of God, and sin, and that choice is what determines our fate or end result. OSAS in my view is an excuse to sin on some level in most cases.
 
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Wasn't Jesus specifically referring to the sin of adultery in John 8:11 ? Of course it's not like he wanted her to start stealing or sin in other ways, but it was time for her to stop living in adultery.
The frozen cold hearted do that. Jesus was referring to the lost empty part of her heart.
People seek find love and acceptance but fill that space with harmful actions instead. Drugs that numb, relationships of lust for a night, or hurting others in response to the pain of loneliness.


Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Proverbs 21:2
Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the heart.

1 Samuel 16:7
But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”

Ezekiel 11:19
And I will give them one heart, and a new spirit I will put within them. I will remove the heart of stone from their flesh and give them a heart of flesh,
 
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So only adultery is the kind of sin whereby we are to “sin no more”? Adultery can be just looking at a woman in lust (Which is more difficult for men than say other sins like theft, and murder). Theft, swear words, and lying are the kinds of sins whereby we don’t have to “sin no more”? If that is what you are saying, that does not make any sense. I believe Jesus was referring to all sin in her life that is grievous or mortal sin that can condemn her before God. Surely she would not be sinless in other areas if she was committing adultery. For sin has a way of infecting a person and spreading like a cancer in other areas of our life. The application for us today is that our Lord does not want us to commit any mortal sin of any kind the rest of our lives. That is God’s goal because if it wasn’t, God would be in agreement with sin (Which is not possible in reality for God because He is Holy, just, and good).

The apostle Paul says:
“…let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.” (2 Corinthians 7:1).

No, I'm not saying only adultery is the sin where we are to stop sinning. I'm just putting myself in Jesus place, what would I have said to an adulterous woman? I would say: "Now you have been forgiven. Don't go back to adultery!" But it's true this can be applied to every sin, we are not to go back to sin after being forgiven.

Maybe Jesus is saying this in a more general sense, but this might have been her main sin, or mortal sin to use your language.
 
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Wasn't Jesus specifically refering to the sin of adultery in John 8:11? Of course it's not like he wanted her to start stealing or sin in other ways, but it was time for her to stop living in adultery.
Yes, Jesus was telling the woman to go and leave her life of sin, namely, she had been practicing adultery.
 
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No, I'm not saying only adultery is the sin where we are to stop sinning. I'm just putting myself in Jesus place, what would I have said to an adulterous woman? I would say: "Now you have been forgiven. Don't go back to adultery!" But it's true this can be applied to every sin, we are not to go back to sin after being forgiven.

Maybe Jesus is saying this in a more general sense, but this might have been her main sin, or mortal sin to use your language.
I've seen people misuse the words of Jesus "go and sin no more" in John 8:11 in order to promote "sinless perfection." (1 John 1:8-10) Now Jesus cannot compromise his perfect holy standard, so of course He is not going to say, "go and just sin a little bit."
 
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The apostle Paul says:
“…let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.” (2 Corinthians 7:1).

He is referring to the process of repenting when we feel we are sinning against God.

James 4:17
So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.
 
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With so many supporting scriptures for preserverance of the saints/OSAS/Eternal security whatever you want to call it. It's a wonder why people even debate it. For you to be saved and lose it would make Jesus, the Prophets, and the Apostlrs all liars. I think I would rather believe in the most clearly taught doctrine in history than the counter arguments of men.

To lose your salvation would require for you to lose your faith and, that's just not possible. Those with true faith will endure until the end.

Besides, I dare you to try walking away on your own free will, it's impossible because God has a hold of you and will always restore you back to the faith.
 
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With so many supporting scriptures for preserverance of the saints/OSAS/Eternal security whatever you want to call it. It's a wonder why people even debate it. For you to be saved and lose it would make Jesus, the Prophets, and the Apostlrs all liars. I think I would rather believe in the most clearly taught doctrine in history than the counter arguments of men.

To lose your salvation would require for you to lose your faith and, that's just not possible. Those with true faith will endure until the end.

Besides, I dare you to try walking away on your own free will, it's impossible because God has a hold of you and will always restore you back to the faith.

But people don't feel as if they are perfect enough to meet God.
So that explains that.
 
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To lose your salvation would require for you to lose your faith and, that's just not possible. Those with true faith will endure until the end. Besides, I dare you to try walking away on your own free will, it's impossible because God has a hold of you and will always restore you back to the faith.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I wonder how you identified my true faith from my false one though? Because you saw my death?
 
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No, I'm not saying only adultery is the sin where we are to stop sinning. I'm just putting myself in Jesus place, what would I have said to an adulterous woman? I would say: "Now you have been forgiven. Don't go back to adultery!" But it's true this can be applied to every sin, we are not to go back to sin after being forgiven.

Maybe Jesus is saying this in a more general sense, but this might have been her main sin, or mortal sin to use your language.

Jesus is GOD (John 1:1-2, 1 John 5:7, John 1:14, 1 Timothy 3:16, Colossians 1:13-16, Micah 5:2). Remember how Jesus knew all about the woman at the well in John 4? So Jesus would have known all about her life and the lives of others. I don’t think adultery was the only sin in her life for Him to make that kind of statement so to only refer to her sin of adultery alone because no doubt she would be in some kind of other sin if she was committing adultery. I also think your older statement (from your previous post yesterday) makes it seem like every other sin is okay as long as it is not adultery (Note: It may not have been your intention but it could be viewed that way). Granted, seeing that you have now clarified that this is not the case, I am not sure why you would think that it was this one sin alone. Now, if Jesus was only a limited human being alone and not God, then I could see how you can come away with this conclusion, but Jesus is GOD and He knew about the lives of others and He is one with the Father (John 10:30). We have to also know that God is always one step ahead of us (Psalms 139:2-6) (Job 14:5). God is holy (1 Peter 1:16). God always wants man to be within His will. God would have made sure that there was no way that we can come away with thinking the wrong thing on what our Lord Jesus said so as to even remotely lead a person down the wrong path of sin. So Scripture (Written by men under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit - 1 Timothy 3:16) recording the words of Jesus that say, “sin no more” as we are reading it now would be able to speak to us believers today as being true just as it was back then. Jesus is clearly telling her and us today to “sin no more” in view of not committing any sin that God’s Word attaches with warnings of hellfire and or condemnation before God (Matthew 5:28-30) (Matthew 6:15) (Matthew 12:37) (Matthew 25:31-46) (Luke 9:62) (Galatians 5:19-21) (Revelation 21:8). So I do not in any way see how our Lord Jesus was only referring to the sin of adultery here because Jesus is God and He would have spoken from the perspective of God knowing the future of what His Father knows because He was one with the Father. For your previous older statement (yesterday) could lead a person to think that one could commit other sins as long as it was not adultery (even if that was not your intention). Besides, Jesus told another to “sin no more” in John 5:14 (and basically using other words warned that a worse thing could come upon him if he did not stop). In fact, Jesus did not specify the kind of sin he committed in John 5:14. So John 8:11 is merely a double witness in Scripture confirming this same truth.

Side Note:

As for my use of the term called: “mortal sin”: Well, I did not invent the term. In fact, while I don’t like this term because it is tied to a particular church that I do not agree with in regards to their doctrines and practices, I only use it sometimes so as to save time in having to explain it in more words that I don’t have to. For the phrase “mortal sin” is the only term I found that is the most clear so as to help people to come on to the same page as me on this particular topic. For I also use this term for clarity because “Sinless Perfection” is not allowed to be discussed in most (not all) sections of the Christian forums. But I focus on how preaching how we believers need to overcome mortal sin in this life because it is a part of the Sanctification Process in living a holy life by the Spirit (Which is a part of the secondary phase or step in God’s plan of salvation for us believers after we initially or first saved by God’s grace through faith in Jesus without the deeds of the Law - Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 10:13, John 3:16). For clarity of the different aspects of salvation within Scripture, check out my post in this CF thread here.

May God bless you, and I hope your day is good in the Lord.
 
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With so many supporting scriptures for preserverance of the saints/OSAS/Eternal security whatever you want to call it. It's a wonder why people even debate it. For you to be saved and lose it would make Jesus, the Prophets, and the Apostlrs all liars. I think I would rather believe in the most clearly taught doctrine in history than the counter arguments of men.

To lose your salvation would require for you to lose your faith and, that's just not possible. Those with true faith will endure until the end.

Besides, I dare you to try walking away on your own free will, it's impossible because God has a hold of you and will always restore you back to the faith.

The author of Hebrews does not use the language that you speak. The author says, “Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;” (Hebrews 3:12-14).

So here we have the author of Hebrews talking to the brethren in general and he says for them to not to harden your heart by the deceitfulness of sin. This refers back to the previous statement of how one can depart from the living God. Meaning, a believer’s heart can be hardened by sin, and this can lead to eventual unbelief. It says we are made partakers of Christ, IF… we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end. IF is not a guarantee. It’s a condition or conditional. Again, we see a warning in Romans 11:22. “Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off” (Romans 11:22). Paul in Romans is warning the Gentile believers to not boast against the original branches and to continue in his goodness, otherwise they too can be cut off just like the Jews were cut off because they rejected their Messiah when He came.
 
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Jesus is GOD (John 1:1-2, 1 John 5:7, John 1:14, 1 Timothy 3:16, Colossians 1:13-16, Micah 5:2). Remember how Jesus knew all about the woman at the well in John 4? So Jesus would have known all about her life and the lives of others. I don’t think adultery was the only sin in her life for Him to make that kind of statement so to only refer to her sin of adultery alone because no doubt she would be in some kind of other sin if she was committing adultery. I also think your older statement (from your previous post yesterday) makes it seem like every other sin is okay as long as it is not adultery (Note: It may not have been your intention but it could be viewed that way). Granted, seeing that you have now clarified that this is not the case, I am not sure why you would think that it was this one sin alone. Now, if Jesus was only a limited human being alone and not God, then I could see how you can come away with this conclusion, but Jesus is GOD and He knew about the lives of others and He is one with the Father (John 10:30). We have to also know that God is always one step ahead of us (Psalms 139:2-6) (Job 14:5). God is holy (1 Peter 1:16). God always wants man to be within His will. God would have made sure that there was no way that we can come away with thinking the wrong thing on what our Lord Jesus said so as to even remotely lead a person down the wrong path of sin. So Scripture (Written by men under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit - 1 Timothy 3:16) recording the words of Jesus that say, “sin no more” as we are reading it now would be able to speak to us believers today as being true just as it was back then. Jesus is clearly telling her and us today to “sin no more” in view of not committing any sin that God’s Word attaches with warnings of hellfire and or condemnation before God (Matthew 5:28-30) (Matthew 6:15) (Matthew 12:37) (Matthew 25:31-46) (Luke 9:62) (Galatians 5:19-21) (Revelation 21:8). So I do not in any way see how our Lord Jesus was only referring to the sin of adultery here because Jesus is God and He would have spoken from the perspective of God knowing the future of what His Father knows because He was one with the Father. For your previous older statement (yesterday) could lead a person to think that one could commit other sins as long as it was not adultery (even if that was not your intention). Besides, Jesus told another to “sin no more” in John 5:14 (and basically using other words warned that a worse thing could come upon him if he did not stop). In fact, Jesus did not specify the kind of sin he committed in John 5:14. So John 8:11 is merely a double witness in Scripture confirming this same truth.

Side Note:

As for my use of the term called: “mortal sin”: Well, I did not invent the term. In fact, while I don’t like this term because it is tied to a particular church that I do not agree with in regards to their doctrines and practices, I only use it sometimes so as to save time in having to explain it in more words that I don’t have to. For the phrase “mortal sin” is the only term I found that is the most clear so as to help people to come on to the same page as me on this particular topic. For I also use this term for clarity because “Sinless Perfection” is not allowed to be discussed in most (not all) sections of the Christian forums. But I focus on how preaching how we believers need to overcome mortal sin in this life because it is a part of the Sanctification Process in living a holy life by the Spirit (Which is a part of the secondary phase or step in God’s plan of salvation for us believers after we initially or first saved by God’s grace through faith in Jesus without the deeds of the Law - Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 10:13, John 3:16). For clarity of the different aspects of salvation within Scripture, check out my post in this CF thread here.

May God bless you, and I hope your day is good in the Lord.

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any other man. But He did have perfect Faith and trusted the Father. He trusted the
father perfectly. But Jesus was not the Father.

esus’ three prayers in the Garden of Gethsemane
Jesus’ three prayers on the Cross:
  • “Father forgive them; for they know not what they do” (Luke 23:34)
  • “My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Matt 27:46, Mark 15:34)
  • “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit” (Luke 23:46)
 
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Jesus is GOD (John 1:1-2, 1 John 5:7, John 1:14, 1 Timothy 3:16, Colossians 1:13-16, Micah 5:2). Remember how Jesus knew all about the woman at the well in John 4? So Jesus would have known all about her life and the lives of others. I don’t think adultery was the only sin in her life for Him to make that kind of statement so to only refer to her sin of adultery alone because no doubt she would be in some kind of other sin if she was committing adultery. I also think your older statement (from your previous post yesterday) makes it seem like every other sin is okay as long as it is not adultery (Note: It may not have been your intention but it could be viewed that way). Granted, seeing that you have now clarified that this is not the case, I am not sure why you would think that it was this one sin alone. Now, if Jesus was only a limited human being alone and not God, then I could see how you can come away with this conclusion, but Jesus is GOD and He knew about the lives of others and He is one with the Father (John 10:30). We have to also know that God is always one step ahead of us (Psalms 139:2-6) (Job 14:5). God is holy (1 Peter 1:16). God always wants man to be within His will. God would have made sure that there was no way that we can come away with thinking the wrong thing on what our Lord Jesus said so as to even remotely lead a person down the wrong path of sin. So Scripture (Written by men under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit - 1 Timothy 3:16) recording the words of Jesus that say, “sin no more” as we are reading it now would be able to speak to us believers today as being true just as it was back then. Jesus is clearly telling her and us today to “sin no more” in view of not committing any sin that God’s Word attaches with warnings of hellfire and or condemnation before God (Matthew 5:28-30) (Matthew 6:15) (Matthew 12:37) (Matthew 25:31-46) (Luke 9:62) (Galatians 5:19-21) (Revelation 21:8). So I do not in any way see how our Lord Jesus was only referring to the sin of adultery here because Jesus is God and He would have spoken from the perspective of God knowing the future of what His Father knows because He was one with the Father. For your previous older statement (yesterday) could lead a person to think that one could commit other sins as long as it was not adultery (even if that was not your intention). Besides, Jesus told another to “sin no more” in John 5:14 (and basically using other words warned that a worse thing could come upon him if he did not stop). In fact, Jesus did not specify the kind of sin he committed in John 5:14. So John 8:11 is merely a double witness in Scripture confirming this same truth.

Side Note:

As for my use of the term called: “mortal sin”: Well, I did not invent the term. In fact, while I don’t like this term because it is tied to a particular church that I do not agree with in regards to their doctrines and practices, I only use it sometimes so as to save time in having to explain it in more words that I don’t have to. For the phrase “mortal sin” is the only term I found that is the most clear so as to help people to come on to the same page as me on this particular topic. For I also use this term for clarity because “Sinless Perfection” is not allowed to be discussed in most (not all) sections of the Christian forums. But I focus on how preaching how we believers need to overcome mortal sin in this life because it is a part of the Sanctification Process in living a holy life by the Spirit (Which is a part of the secondary phase or step in God’s plan of salvation for us believers after we initially or first saved by God’s grace through faith in Jesus without the deeds of the Law - Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 10:13, John 3:16). For clarity of the different aspects of salvation within Scripture, check out my post in this CF thread here.

May God bless you, and I hope your day is good in the Lord.

When I read the Bible I try not read more into it than it really says. It's so easy for us to do that, that was why I posted concerning John 8:11. It was a thought that got stuck with me. It's good you brought John 5:14 to attention where it seems clear it's in the general sense.

A good question is if Jesus knew everything while being here, or if it was more of all knowledge being available to him. I know that is something for another thread. You don't really need to know exactly what sins a person is involved in for you to tell them to stop living in sin. It covers all of it ... but sure Jesus knew.

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I have a different view of OSAS. Based on this passage I do not believe in OSAS the way many people do.
Hebrews 10:26-31
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.​
The writer of Hebrew includes himself in the warning. "f we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth..." ,
This passage speaks of a fate worse than death without mercy. A sorer/worse punishment.
Some folks argue that vs. 26 "received the knowledge of the truth" means that the people being referred to were not really saved they only "received [heard] the knowledge of the truth." But let's look at vs. 29 "hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing" That definitely means "really saved." not someone who only heard the word.
Note vs. 30 "Vengeance belongs unto me, I will recompense." That sounds very definite to me.
 
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Essentially yes.

I think that you can only be saved once (per Hebrews 8), but that you may be able to opt out once as well ... if you knowingly decide it's not for you ...
I don't believe there is a limit but you better decide which before you die:)
 
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Yes. My question is whether or not the individual was born again. From my own experience, I know that it is possible to have a false "conversion". I agreed mentally but my heart was unchanged (at a Billy Graham meeting). It was 5 years later that I was born again.
Is that the same as Jesus dying on the cross for our sins? I don't think so. Your talking your personal steps to salvation.. your actions to be saved.
 
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Jesus is not the Father. Jesus was fully human and had no additional information than
any other man. But Jesus was not the Father.

Nowhere did I say that Jesus is the Father. I am saying that Jesus said He is one with the Father according to John 10:30. I believe in the Trinity (1 John 5:7 KJB). I believe the Lord our God is one God and yet He is also exists as three distinct persons (i.e. the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost). The Word was God, and the Word was WITH God (John 1:1-2). Jesus is the Word or the Eternal Logos that was made flesh (John 1:14). God was manifest in the flesh (1 Timothy 3:16). The second person of the Trinity (God) was manifest in the flesh.

I believe Jesus suppressed His Omniscience during His earthly ministry but that does not mean He lost His Omniscience.

In fact, Jesus had power as God during His earthly ministry.

1. Jesus said He has power to raise the dead to life just as the Father had power to raise the dead (John 5:21).
2. Hebrews 1:3 talks about how Christ held all things together by the word of His power when He purged us of our sins.
3. Jesus said, He would raise up this Temple (His body) three days later (John 2:19).
4. Jesus had the power to forgive sins and give eternal life (Mark 2:7) (Luke 7:44-50) (John 14:6).
5 Jesus had power to take away the sins of the entire world (John 1:29).
6. Jesus Christ said wherever two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them (Matthew 18:20). This was said to the people he was around and not to just us today.
7. Jesus knew men's thoughts (Matthew 9:4) (Matthew 12:25) (Mark 2:8) (Luke 5:22) (Luke 6:8) (Luke 9:47) (Luke 24:38).
8. Jesus knew about the lives of others (John 2:24) (John 4:17-18) (John 4:29) (John 6:64).

You said:
But He did have perfect Faith and trusted the Father. He trusted the
father perfectly.

This sounds like a topic for another thread. In fact, I created one so as to discuss it there.

Did Jesus have faith? (Note: I am not asking because I don’t know).

You said:
Jesus’ three prayers in the Garden of Gethsemane
Jesus’ three prayers on the Cross:
  • “Father forgive them; for they know not what they do” (Luke 23:34)
  • “My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Matt 27:46, Mark 15:34)
  • “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit” (Luke 23:46)

Yes. Jesus was human. However, while this may not have been your intention, but by your reply, it gave me the impression that your rebuttal on my points of glorifying Christ’s deity was an attempt on your part to suggest that Jesus was only human (because you did not acknowledge or agree with any reference to His deity) making it appear like you do not believe Jesus is God. Surely I hope that is not what you are saying. For Jesus was God Almighty in the flesh. Jesus is both God and human. He was the God man.

As for Matthew 27:46:

Why did Jesus say "My God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?"

Well, for one, there is a big difference between making an assertion and asking a question. Secondly, Jesus was referencing Scripture as a fulfillment of prophecy (Psalms 22:1). Thirdly, Jesus also said these words as if it was you and me in His place saying these words. For He was taking on our sins and our punishment.

In fact, when look at Psalms 22, we can see that the response to the first verse where the psalmist cries out the prophetic words, "Why have you forsaken me?" there is an answer in verse 24. Here's the answer to the question of Jesus, the question of the psalmist and the question of every person who has ever felt abandoned by the Father: For he (God the Father) has not despised or disdained the suffering of the afflicted one; he has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help.

God the Father forsaking His own Son? Impossible! God the Father was "in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself" (2 Corinthians 5:19)! It is possible Jesus may have felt a separation from the Father at the time (But Jesus knew better because of the Scriptures). It seemed like the Father had forsaken Him, but He hadn't! Nor will He ever forsake you (if you have a broken heart before Him).

In short, I would say that Jesus was speaking these words as if it was me or you while the Judgment of sin was being laid upon Him while He was upon the cross before He died and paid the penalty for us. For Jesus needed to be our substitute to pay the penalty for our sin.


Source Used:
Dr. Steve McVey: Did The Father Forsake Jesus On the Cross? No!
(Not all views or beliefs by this author or website may reflect my views or beliefs; I am merely agreeing with the truth in the portion of the article I quoted here).
 
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Let me clarify my original post. OSAS is about Jesus dying on the cross to take all of our sins on Himself for an eternity. We can never lose what he did for us EXCEPT through our own rejection of him. That is minimal in the Christian world.
I also believe we can restore our salvation for as many times as it takes but that has nothing to do with osas.? Or does it
 
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