Oath Keepers leader and 10 others charged with seditious conspiracy:

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https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/13/lea...or-january-6-riot-conspiracy-reports-say.html

Federal authorities on Thursday charged Stewart Rhodes, the leader and founder of the extremist far-right Oath Keepers militia, and 10 other people with seditious conspiracy and other crimes for their alleged roles in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot.

An indictment alleges that after the November 2020 presidential election, Rhodes and others conspired to oppose by force the transfer of presidential power from then-President Donald Trump to Joe Biden, which included plans to breach and try to take control of the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

As to be expected we see that the more serious crimes are the last to be charged.
 

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https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/13/lea...or-january-6-riot-conspiracy-reports-say.html

Federal authorities on Thursday charged Stewart Rhodes, the leader and founder of the extremist far-right Oath Keepers militia, and 10 other people with seditious conspiracy and other crimes for their alleged roles in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot.

An indictment alleges that after the November 2020 presidential election, Rhodes and others conspired to oppose by force the transfer of presidential power from then-President Donald Trump to Joe Biden, which included plans to breach and try to take control of the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

As to be expected we see that the more serious crimes are the last to be charged.

Biden's cousin's parakeet once crapped on the WH lawn. Why hasn't Biden been sent to Alcatraz forever? Instead, patriots are punished for going to the Capitol simply to buy souvenirs and take selfies for the mantlepiece.
 
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No kidding, meanwhile Antifa/BLM criminals who did billions in damages last year, injured or killed 2,000 cops, and set up autonomous zones, had no conspiracy charges, nor did the dirty cops who ran the Russia Hoax.

We have a blatant two tiered justice system, thank God for the 2A.

So apparently Stewart and his buddies were going to do all this, lol?

I think you missed the sarcasm.
 
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"The Justice Department said the Oath Keepers were determined to stop the lawful transfer of power, with two groups marching in military-style formations toward the Capitol that day and other personnel labeled "quick reaction forces" waiting outside D.C. to transport firearms and other weapons. Vallejo allegedly helped coordinate one of those quick-reaction teams.

The court papers said the defendants organized teams to use force and bring firearms to the Capitol, recruited members to participate and organized trainings, and brought paramilitary gear, knives, batons and radio equipment to Washington."

Oath Keepers leader arrested, charged with seditious conspiracy for Jan. 6 riot
 
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I must have missed that part.

You apparently missed the topic of this thread...
None of your what aboutisms involve any party being charged with seditious conspiracy.
 
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You apparently missed the topic of this thread...
None of your what aboutisms involve any party being charged with seditious conspiracy.

It is to be expected. At this point to support Trump one has to be fractally wrong.
 
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You apparently missed the topic of this thread...
None of your what aboutisms involve any party being charged with seditious conspiracy.

I don't take seriously charges made by a corrupt, politicized DOJ, the same bunch that called parents domestic terrorists.
 
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You mean definitely not a competent one. The article gives a specific example of an attempt to overthrow the US government. Just because they failed miserably does not mean that it was not an attempt.



I see that you are admitting that it was not a hoax. Just a very poorly supported claim. You used a term inappropriately. Of course Trump was never cleared by the investigation. He was only cleared of the presented collusion claims It is still rather apparent that he was guilty of the obstruction of Congress claims. And can anyone blame the Democrats for their charges. Or have you forgotten when Trump did say openly that he would collude with the Russian government. He is lucky that that he did not do so.
You mean definitely not a competent one. The article gives a specific example of an attempt to overthrow the US government. Just because they failed miserably does not mean that it was not an attempt.
Do you have any idea of what it would take to overthrow the US government? Just a clue, you better have an army, navy, air force, marines, coast guard and the space force and all that goes with them.
 
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Do you have any idea of what it would take to overthrow the US government? Just a clue, you better have an army, navy, air force, marines, coast guard and the space force and all that goes with them.

If you had read the linked articles, you would realize the government is not making that assertion....
 
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“Rhodes and certain co-conspirators ... planned to stop the lawful transfer of presidential power by January 20, 2021, which included multiple ways to deploy force,” the indictment reads. “They coordinated travel across the country to enter Washington, D.C., equipped themselves with a variety of weapons, donned combat and tactical gear, and were prepared to answer Rhodes’ call to take up arms at Rhodes’ direction.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...8ecc42-7414-11ec-8b0a-bcfab800c430_story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/cont...8-80aa-aa212a37a82e/?itid=lk_inline_manual_10


The 11 Oathkeepers are being charged under this statute:

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
 
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Do you have any idea of what it would take to overthrow the US government? Just a clue, you better have an army, navy, air force, marines, coast guard and the space force and all that goes with them.
I don't think the posters here are the ones who need this information. The right-wing leaders of the Jan 6th attack referenced in the OP might have found it useful, though. Too bad no one told them not to try to a violent attack on the Capitol to prevent the certification of Biden's win against the ex-president. Instead, some loudmouth ranted about needing to fight before they went ahead with their plan.
 
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Do you have any idea of what it would take to overthrow the US government? Just a clue, you better have an army, navy, air force, marines, coast guard and the space force and all that goes with them.

It seems more and more some are penalized for simply opposing the government. I guess 'resistance' was only valid when Trump was POTUS.
 
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I don't take seriously charges made by a corrupt, politicized DOJ, the same bunch that called parents domestic terrorists.
What is it about having kids that means you cant be a terrorist? OBL was a parent, you know.
 
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Do you have any idea of what it would take to overthrow the US government? Just a clue, you better have an army, navy, air force, marines, coast guard and the space force and all that goes with them.

Otherwise you might find yourself facing seditious conspiracy charges.
 
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Is it not appalling? It was an example of what we saw in the Russia Hoax and Obama's use of the IRS against the Tea Party, using the machinery of government against political opponents. The DoJ and IRS aren't supposed to have political opponents, it's what Banana Republics do.

BTW, Nixon's use of the IRS against political opponents was one of his articles of impeachment.

Now see @disciple Clint, this is *ontopic* whataboutism.
Do you have any idea of what it would take to overthrow the US government? Just a clue, you better have an army, navy, air force, marines, coast guard and the space force and all that goes with them.

Why? The armed forces of the US respond to the legal authority of the DOD and President. While some very messy things could happen if it wasn't clear who was legally president, that doesn't seem to be the goal of anyone involved. (To my understanding this is because they wanted Trump to remain in power without a big mess in the military. Whether the methods they chose were all legal *is* the issue overall.)

For the moment, let's keep the two groups apart: the legal/political efforts and the militias. They may be cooperating, but that is far from demonstrated.

The legal/political efforts tried for 2 months to have ballots rejected, elections done over, EC slates replaced, etc. When Jan. 6th came around the only options open were to object to EC votes in the counting session to either lower the number of Biden EC votes below 270 and force a contingent election (where the House votes by state delegation) or return the certificates of certain states to be replaced by Trump-friendly legislatures. That's what Trump's legal team and their Congressional allies were trying on Jan. 6th.

The militias had similar goals and that's exactly what the DOJ has charged Rhodes and his Oathkeepers with: conspiring to disrupt the legal transfer of presidential power. Unlike the legal/political attempts, the militia efforts involved pushing a large crowd against the Capitol and using force or intimidation to interrupt or manipulate the result of the EC count.

Outside the OKs there are several other indictments alleging the same sorts of conspiracies to interfere with the EC count. They have not yet charged those persons with having a larger goal (keeping Trump in power), but I would not be surprised if they are so charged eventually. (The OK investigation was clearly more advanced, especially with cooperators, as could be seen by anyone monitoring the criminal cases. Stand by Proud Boys your time in the barrel is likely coming soon.)

A bigger, and more critical, question is about coordination. Both groups could from public information be aware of the others and their goals. The legal and political team was certainly largely open about what they wanted. (It's hard not to when you file 60 lawsuits and publicly call for objections, replacement slates, and delays.) Likewise the plans of the militias to join the rally were made in plain sight on social media including plans by PBs to disguise themselves by dressing like "antifa" instead of their usual uniforms. So they could have worked toward the same goals without actually coordinating privately. Or maybe they did plan the whole thing together. We just don't know yet.
 
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So you think it's OK to call parents domestic terrorists? Same with those who oppose Biden's open border policy maybe? Garland is the most political head of the DoJ ever, thank goodness he never made it to the SCOTUS.

1. This doesn't relate to the subject of the OP (a specific indictment for actions at the Capitol.)

2. The "domestic terrorists" at school board meetings were those THAT WERE THREATENING BOARD MEMBERS OR TEACHERS WITH VIOLENCE at meetings, outside meetings, and elsewhere for school policies. If they happened to be parents that did the threatening, then I guess it was parents. It was not all people making objections, or even those who were obnoxious, just the ones making threats of violence.

3. Some of the people engaging in threats were known outside agitators sometimes traveling from town to town, including members of right-wing militias. (Oh, the last part almost ties to the OP, but not quite.)

Talk about the indictment. Talk about the Oathkeepers. Talk about anything that happened in DC on 1/6/21. Just keep to the OP please.
 
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Now see @disciple Clint, this is *ontopic* whataboutism.


Why? The armed forces of the US respond to the legal authority of the DOD and President. While some very messy things could happen if it wasn't clear who was legally president, that doesn't seem to be the goal of anyone involved. (To my understanding this is because they wanted Trump to remain in power without a big mess in the military. Whether the methods they chose were all legal *is* the issue overall.)

For the moment, let's keep the two groups apart: the legal/political efforts and the militias. They may be cooperating, but that is far from demonstrated.

The legal/political efforts tried for 2 months to have ballots rejected, elections done over, EC slates replaced, etc. When Jan. 6th came around the only options open were to object to EC votes in the counting session to either lower the number of Biden EC votes below 270 and force a contingent election (where the House votes by state delegation) or return the certificates of certain states to be replaced by Trump-friendly legislatures. That's what Trump's legal team and their Congressional allies were trying on Jan. 6th.

The militias had similar goals and that's exactly what the DOJ has charged Rhodes and his Oathkeepers with: conspiring to disrupt the legal transfer of presidential power. Unlike the legal/political attempts, the militia efforts involved pushing a large crowd against the Capitol and using force or intimidation to interrupt or manipulate the result of the EC count.

Outside the OKs there are several other indictments alleging the same sorts of conspiracies to interfere with the EC count. They have not yet charged those persons with having a larger goal (keeping Trump in power), but I would not be surprised if they are so charged eventually. (The OK investigation was clearly more advanced, especially with cooperators, as could be seen by anyone monitoring the criminal cases. Stand by Proud Boys your time in the barrel is likely coming soon.)

A bigger, and more critical, question is about coordination. Both groups could from public information be aware of the others and their goals. The legal and political team was certainly largely open about what they wanted. (It's hard not to when you file 60 lawsuits and publicly call for objections, replacement slates, and delays.) Likewise the plans of the militias to join the rally were made in plain sight on social media including plans by PBs to disguise themselves by dressing like "antifa" instead of their usual uniforms. So they could have worked toward the same goals without actually coordinating privately. Or maybe they did plan the whole thing together. We just don't know yet.

Just curious, why didn't the FBI respond when asked by Congress about their involvement in all this?
 
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