New Info on Numbers 1260, 1290, 1335 and 42

keras said:

This doesn't prove the New Covenant is in operation.

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Explain, with Scripture, how to be an able minister of a New Testament/Covenant which is not in operation.

The Apostle Paul and the Holy Spirit who inspired him would certainly be interested.

keras said:

This doesn't prove the New Covenant is in operation.
Prophecy is clear, the NC will not be made before the Lord's people go to live in the holy Land, in the very place; as Romans 9:24-26 says and as Jeremiah 31:1-34 describes.

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This is how we receive the New Covenant:

John 3
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Do not marvel that I said to you, You must be born again.

17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but so that the world might be saved through Him.
18 He who believes on Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only-begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the Light, because their deeds were evil.

John 14
19 Yet a little while and the world does not see Me any more. But you see Me. Because I live, you shall live also.
20 At that day you shall know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.

John 17
23 I in them, and You in Me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that You have sent Me and have loved them as You have loved Me.

Acts 2
38 Then Peter said to them, Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ to remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

We do not receive the New Covenant by going to live in a different place on the planet, or any place on the planet.

keras said:

We Christians will be the ones to come from far away to build the new Temple. Zechariah 6:15

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The New Temple has already been built by God. He does not dwell in temples made with human hands.

The following is talking both about humans building the second temple (built by human hands), and God building the New Temple, the third and final Temple of God:

Zechariah 4
9 The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house. His hands shall also finish it; and you shall know that the LORD of hosts has sent me to you.
10 For who has despised the day of small things? For they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel. These seven are the eyes of the LORD which run to and fro through the whole earth.

Hebrews 9
24 For Christ has not entered into the Holy of Holies made with (human) hands, which are the figures of the true, but into Heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us.

Acts 7a
48 But, the Most High does not dwell in temples (Greek: naos) made with (human) hands.

Acts 17
24 The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of Heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples (Greek naos) made with (human) hands.

It's actually a basic tenet of Christianity, part of the foundation. I don't understand why someone could believe in Jesus and yet still say what you are saying, Keras. Jesus is the New Temple. He is already with us, in us, and we in Him.

Fullness of the Gentiles said:

This is how we receive the New Covenant:

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Why then; have these tenets not happened yet?
1/Gods Laws set in our hearts.
2/ He is our only God and we are His only people.
3/ We don't need to teach one another.
4/ We all know the Lord, educated and uneducated alike.
5/ Our wicked deeds are pardoned.
6/ Our sins are remembered no more.
Hebrews 8:10-12

Some of these can be said to have happened at our conversion to Christianity, but not all and even ones considered to have happened, are really just Promises for a future time.

Read carefully Isaiah 61:2b-11 & Isaiah 62:1-5 They describe how the Lord's holy people will go to live in all of the holy land, in peace and prosperity.
THEN: He will grant them a sure reward, [the Christian peoples; His bride] and will make an everlasting Covenant with them.

Fullness of the Gentiles said:

It's actually a basic tenet of Christianity, part of the foundation. I don't understand why someone could believe in Jesus and yet still say what you are saying, Keras. Jesus is the New Temple. He is already with us, in us, and we in Him.

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This is Bible truth; We Christians are the Temple of God on earth, for this Church age.
But Prophecy is clear: there will be a new Temple in Jerusalem during the end times and for the Millennium. You deny much scripture to reject this.

keras said:

Why then; have these tenets not happened yet?
1/Gods Laws set in our hearts.
2/ He is our only God and we are His only people.
3/ We don't need to teach one another.
4/ We all know the Lord, educated and uneducated alike.
5/ Our wicked deeds are pardoned.
6/ Our sins are remembered no more.
Hebrews 8:10-12

Some of these can be said to have happened at our conversion to Christianity, but not all and even ones considered to have happened, are really just Promises for a future time.

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It's all fulfilled. I don't and shouldn't have to explain in depth to you how you can get God's law written on your heart, because Jesus told you how - and it has everything to do with Him dwelling in you, and you in Him, and the extent to which (we all) submit to Him. I shouldn't have to teach you about the rest either, because the apostles already have. Your mind is in the Old Testament almost permanently, that's why you never post about the New Covenant (Testament) books (but then again, why should you read the books we call the New Covenant if you believe the New Covenant has not yet been cut with us?)

keras said:

Read carefully Isaiah 61:2b-11 & Isaiah 62:1-5 They describe how the Lord's holy people will go to live in all of the holy land, in peace and prosperity.
THEN: He will grant them a sure reward, [the Christian peoples; His bride] and will make an everlasting Covenant with them.

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You make it clear whenever you make statements like the above that you just don't believe that we are already a new creation in Christ and the New Heavens and New Earth is what those prophecies point to.

keras said:

This is Bible truth; We Christians are the Temple of God on earth, for this Church age.
But Prophecy is clear: there will be a new Temple in Jerusalem during the end times and for the Millennium. You deny much scripture to reject this.

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You can't be part of the Temple of God on earth during the Church age if you reject the New Covenant in Christ's blood on which it's based, denying that we even have such a New Covenant and claiming that it's still coming.

God is clear, and Christ was clear before He ascended, and His apostles are clear: God will never ever dwell in such a temple again. Jesus is the Temple of God. His body, the church, is the Tabernacle of God on earth. When the New Jerusalem comes down from God out of heaven, then the New Heavens and New Earth will still have Christ as its Temple.

I'm not debating this with you anymore, because you still reject the basic tenets of our faith in Christ, who established His New Covenant in His blood shed for the remission of sins. So have your "closing statement" on it, but I'm not answering you - so please don't ask me any questions and expect me to answer you, because I'm done debating with you about what Jesus taught and did and achieved and bought with His own blood, and what the apostles taught and shed their blood to teach us.

keras said:

We Christians will build a new Temple to the Glory of God. as 2 Thessalonians 2:4 says it will be.
The Anti-Christ will put a stop to the sacrifices and offerings made in it. Daniel 9:27
Jesus will reside in it for the Millennium, as Zechariah 14:16-21 says.
Three straight out proofs from the Bible. Opinions don't count.

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No matter what you say, you are only sharing your opinions, but I guess they don't count.

CG, please rid yourself of your wrong and unscriptural beliefs and the idea that we can know the Mind of God.

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You are the one who is wrong. Do you disagree with Paul that we have the mind of Christ?

1 Corinthians 2:15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

The tenets of the new Covenant are not yet fulfilled. Hebrews 8:10-12
Jesus fulfilled His side of it, but we have yet to fulfil ours.

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That is nonsense. Only Jesus can fulfill the requirements of the new covenant and He did that long ago.

Hebrews 8:6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.

This says the new covenant was already established by Jesus and it was establshed on better promises than the old covenant. How can you think the new covenant is not yet in effect? The old covenant certainly isn't.

keras said:

Why then; have these tenets not happened yet?
1/Gods Laws set in our hearts.

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Are you kidding me here? We have God's laws in our hearts because we have the Holy Spirit dwelling in us. Where is your discernment?

2/ He is our only God and we are His only people.

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How is that not true now? You are unbelievably lacking in discernment when it comes to some of these things. Pray for wisdom (James 1:5-7).

Fullness of the Gentiles said:

It's all fulfilled.

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Not true. You are divorced from reality to believe that.

Fullness of the Gentiles said:

Your mind is in the Old Testament almost permanently, that's why you never post about the New Covenant (Testament) books

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A lie of the first magnitude.
This kind of nasty accusation is unChristian.
The New Testament is all about the Promise of the new Covenant.

Fullness of the Gentiles said:

You can't be part of the Temple of God on earth during the Church age if you reject the New Covenant in Christ's blood on which it's based, denying that we even have such a New Covenant and claiming that it's still coming.

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But I am, and I have never rejected the New Covenant. It simply is not made yet. As I showed in Isaiah 61:8b.

Fullness of the Gentiles said:

I'm not debating this with you anymore,

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Me with you, or with the other yappers here.
It won't be much longer, that things will change very dramatically and your eyes will be opened and your ears unstopped.
Whoever is wrong about these things, will not have to apologize to the other party, but to the Lord. Ready for that?

Christian Gedge said:

Your teachings are unacceptable.

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Sorry to see this.
For most people; to change their beliefs, its a practical impossibility.
Soon, we will see the truth of what God has planned for our future.
I believe it will be amazing and all who love the Lord and keep His Commandments will experience it.
Wrong beliefs now, of how it will pan out, won't lose out entirely:
1 Corinthians 3:14-15

keras said:

Why then; have these tenets not happened yet?
1/Gods Laws set in our hearts.
2/ He is our only God and we are His only people.
3/ We don't need to teach one another.
4/ We all know the Lord, educated and uneducated alike.
5/ Our wicked deeds are pardoned.
6/ Our sins are remembered no more.
Hebrews 8:10-12

Some of these can be said to have happened at our conversion to Christianity, but not all and even ones considered to have happened, are really just Promises for a future time.

Read carefully Isaiah 61:2b-11 & Isaiah 62:1-5 They describe how the Lord's holy people will go to live in all of the holy land, in peace and prosperity.
THEN: He will grant them a sure reward, [the Christian peoples; His bride] and will make an everlasting Covenant with them.

This is Bible truth; We Christians are the Temple of God on earth, for this Church age.
But Prophecy is clear: there will be a new Temple in Jerusalem during the end times and for the Millennium. You deny much scripture to reject this.

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I agree with this, even though the Holy Spirit is God's Law in us, that does not force us to obey God. It is still conforming our will to His.

The Holy Spirit has always been working that way even in the OT. Except they had physical reminders of that fact tied to their foreheads and wrists. I guess we should be thankful we do not have to go about our daily lives with such physical reminders. Now since the Cross, the Holy Spirit works on others without such physical distractions, besides working on their inside consciousness.

The NT gives the Holy Spirit a two pronged attack on unbelievers. The NT did not turn us into programmed robots. We have to do that ourselves by crucifying the flesh on a daily basis. It is not automatic like most here seem to portray it. Then most get the Millennium wrong, where there are no sinners, nor sin nature, but that is after the Second Coming and no more spiritual blindness. People will know God, and disobedience is once again instant death. Still not programmed robots. Just no longer in bondage to the sin nature and the law of death, from Adam's punishment of sin and death.

Timtofly said:

I agree with this, even though the Holy Spirit is God's Law in us, that does not force us to obey God. It is still conforming our will to His.

The Holy Spirit has always been working that way even in the OT. Except they had physical reminders of that fact tied to their foreheads and wrists. I guess we should be thankful we do not have to go about our daily lives with such physical reminders. Now since the Cross, the Holy Spirit works on others without such physical distractions, besides working on their inside consciousness.

The NT gives the Holy Spirit a two pronged attack on unbelievers. The NT did not turn us into programmed robots. We have to do that ourselves by crucifying the flesh on a daily basis. It is not automatic like most here seem to portray it. Then most get the Millennium wrong, where there are no sinners, nor sin nature, but that is after the Second Coming and no more spiritual blindness. People will know God, and disobedience is once again instant death. Still not programmed robots. Just no longer in bondage to the sin nature and the law of death, from Adam's punishment of sin and death.

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Thanks, Timtofly.
The prophesies show that the New Covenant will be made between the Lord and His faithful people before He Returns for His Millennium reign,
This is proved by Daniel 11:32, where some of the Christian people will violate the Covenant with the Lord. A bad mistake as Isaiah 28:14-15 says about those who agree to a peace treaty with the leader of the secular world. The 'many; of Daniel 9:27.

Also; there will be death during the Millennium, but people will live for much longer. Isaiah 65:20
Only after the GWT Judgment, after the Millennium, will Death be no more. Revelation 21:1-7