I agree it fits. There are lots of "fits" in scripture if you take them out of context. I assume you do just that by disregarding the remaining verses. You and your church do the same with your favorite out of context Is 66:23. If that verse is the reason you observe the Israelite only and now defunct Sabbath and you don't do the same with new moon celebrations then how can we trust your judgment?
I guess if I do what you do and take verses out of context I could make that claim.
Well, the new Earth is spoken of as a point of comparison with Israel: “For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me,” says the Lord, “so your seed and your name shall remain."
No it does not. It only causes confusion. It seems that your argument is that we should not connect Is 66 verse 23 with verse 24 and Is 65 verses 17-19 with the remainder of verses. Your theory makes Isaiah lose his thought process. Kinda like me writing that Jesus is coming soon and the sky is so blue, but I can't find my glasses. Maybe because of some distraction or that he had succumbed to old age and he forgot to get back on the subject he started to write about.
Are you able to decipher what is literal and what is figurative? If you use verse 23 of Is 66 to reconcile your observance of the now defunct Israelite Sabbath then why in the same verse do you not use the observance of new moons? Obviously Jesus did. Are you able to explain to us why you cull some laws of the old covenant and not others?It seems to me that the placement of figurative and literal expression adjacent to one another in prophecy is perfectly orthodox.
I notice from your profile that we're kinda neighbors. My family is from Roane County. I moved away after high school (joined the militry--you know, that's short for military-lol).
About as good as the average bear, I guess.
Beats me. Maybe God wants to spend a lot of time with his redeemed children once they finally come home. Kinda like killing the fatted calf, eh?
The divine hand-engraved tables of stone kinda seem distinguishing to me, for one example.
One of them must be figurative (probably the last one, in my opinion). Or maybe verse 24 was an imminent prophecy.
Oops. I guess I already kinda answered this (to the best of my knowledge, anyway), didn't I?
I wouldn't say they were part of the ten commandments, but they sure seem like good ideas to me. I love Jesus as best I know how. I don't mind overdoing it a little bit, even if I am wrong about it. It seems like the least I can do after all He's done for me. I figure all obedience is just an offering, since all our righteousness are as filthy rags and we have to put on the righteousness of Christ to appear blameless in the judgment.
Welcome to the forum Namocham. What a nice response, very refreshing. We retired here in the beautiful Tennessee mountains. Couldn't get me to go back to my roots. Roane County is blessed with both the Clinch and Tennessee Rivers. We live on the Clinch. I need to do some exploring in the Roane County area. We have family in Chattanooga, so we are close to where you grew up when we head down I-75. I see you live in the Northeast, lots of great history and beautiful areas, but the winters :-(.Hi, Bob S!
About as good as the average bear, I guess.
Beats me. Maybe God wants to spend a lot of time with his redeemed children once they finally come home. Kinda like killing the fatted calf, eh?
The divine hand-engraved tables of stone kinda seem distinguishing to me, for one example.
One of them must be figurative (probably the last one, in my opinion). Or maybe verse 24 was an imminent prophecy.
I try not to get too worked up over stuff I don't understand fully. The ten commandments model seems pretty simple, though. Having been taught them as a child in a Sunday-keeping church, I must admit I'm kinda partial to them. Maybe I'm wrong. I've just never heard an argument against them that convinced me, I guess.
Oops. I guess I already kinda answered this (to the best of my knowledge, anyway), didn't I?
I wouldn't say they were part of the ten commandments, but they sure seem like good ideas to me. I love Jesus as best I know how. I don't mind overdoing it a little bit, even if I am wrong about it. It seems like the least I can do after all He's done for me. I figure all obedience is just an offering, since all our righteousness are as filthy rags and we have to put on the righteousness of Christ to appear blameless in the judgment.
You keep telling us that there is no conflict to Jesus and God's laws. Who is stating that there was? I cannot get serious concerning your posts. You know that God's laws given only to Israel were much more than the 10 commandments yet you do not profess to keeping them. Whether or not God spoke His laws to Israel or He wrote them with His finger, they are still God's laws. If you are bent on keeping the Law of Moses then get serious. You tell us we have to keep them, but you are a poor example of what you preach. I believe your church has you just as confused as I was when I was part of the organization. Free yourself from the box. Trash Ellen's guidance and just let the Holy Spirit do His job.
I don't know SB, but you certainly do differently if you are following SDA teachings. Jesus kept all the law that pertained to Him as the old covenant required. Christians are not under the laws of the old covenant and that includes the ritual weekly Sabbath. Seems to me those who observe the old covenant weekly Sabbath would want to do the same for all the other old covenant sacred days and required customs. If SDAs are faithful to the rules of the church they will pay a tithe, something Jesus would not have had to do as per the old covenant tithing law. Christians under the new covenant are not required to pay tithe. We give out of love not as something that is required by some law that is now defunct.
And God spoke out of His mouth the remainder of the sacred perfect Law and Moses wrote it all down and it was placed in the side of the Ark. It was to be reverend just like the 10 in the Ark.
The first Rest, we are told, was God resting from creating. The Sabath was given, by God, to Israel for them to remember creation and God delivering them from slavery. God didn't give it to any other nation, so we know it was made for Israelites, they were not called Jews. Had God wanted any other nation or people to observe Israel's Sabbath He certainly had the power to instill it in them. There is no history of that happening, So I have to challenge your premise that it was made for all men.
Ellen said she "saw" a "halo" around the fourth commandment setting it aside from the other nine. After reading all your posts it is evident you have bought in hook, line and sinker. In all of the New Testament (covenant) there is no scripture that defines how gentiles are to observe it nor any command requiring it to be kept. Wouldn't you think one of the writers of the New Testament would have been inspired to give the gentiles that so called very important requirement, the one with the halo, some attention?
Strawman argument SB. Abraham was saved without becoming a Jew. There was no Israel for him to belong. What gate will be assigned to him? I will pass through just like him. Since we will be flying to heaven will we even need a gate? Maybe I can just fly over the wall. Another thing, the Jews that have accepted Jesus and are taken to Heaven have so much mixed blood that there is no way they can tell which gate they should pass through. I know I have Jewish blood in me, but I certainly do not know from which tribe. I know for sure I will not be locked out because I claim the promises of Jesus. Jude 24-25
HMMM! That isn't quite what the scriptures tell us SB. Scripture does not tell us we are grafted in with Israel, it tells us we are grafted into the olive tree along with Israelites. The olive tree is not Israel. Israel cannot give us the nourishment to live, only Jesus can and does.
