Republican Indiana state senator said teachers should be impartial on Nazism -

DaisyDay said:

Sex education for kindergartners is usually the name for body parts, the difference between good touching and bad touching and what to do about bad touching (kids in authoritarian households may be beyond hesitant to tell any adult "no".)

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That is not sex education. That is instructing children that they can insist upon there being boundaries as to what sort of touching is allowed. I also assume that kindergarteners already have names for all their body parts. I would be curious to know what the incidence of child molestation by a parent in their own home is compared to molestation by an adult who gains access to the child in an institutional setting. I have not personally come across anyone that says they were sexually molested by their parents, but I know quite a few who have told me that they were molested by either a teacher or a counselor or a clergy person. Maybe the people I know are atypical? If not, then perhaps keeping secrets from parents is not the optimal thing to do. If my experience is atypical, I still do not see how keeping things secret from parents in is in any way a good thing. If the state was confident that ti was being righteous in vaccinating children against their parent's wishes it would simply inform the parents that the state is going to do so despite their protestations. What is the need for secrecy and deceptiveness?

grasping the after wind said:

That is not sex education. That is instructing children that they can insist upon there being boundaries as to what sort of touching is allowed.

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Um... yeah, that's sex education.

I also assume that kindergarteners already have names for all their body parts. I would be curious to know what the incidence of child molestation by a parent in their own home is compared to molestation by an adult who gains access to the child in an institutional setting.

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https://www.ywca.org/wp-content/uploads/WWV-CSA-Fact-Sheet-Final.pdf

• A common myth is that child sexual abuse is perpetrated by strangers and pedophiles. But most people who sexually abuse children are our friends, partners, family members, and community members. About 93 percent of children who are victims of sexual abuse know their abuser. Less than 10 percent of sexually abused children are abused by a stranger.
• The younger the victim, the more likely it is that the abuser is a family member. Of those molesting a child under six, 50 percent were family members. Family members also accounted for 23 percent of those abusing children ages 12 to 17.

TLK Valentine said:

Um... yeah, that's sex education.

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No it isn't. Sex education is being educated about the way various people engage in sexual activitiy. It may include reinforcing the basic ideas properly taught to kindergarteners that we all have boundaries that ought not be crossed by others, but it is certainly much more intentionally geared to adult sexuality that any child has any need to be aware of. Instructing a child "Don't stick your snot encrusted finger in someone's ear" is not sex education.

grasping the after wind said:

No it isn't. Sex education is being educated about the way various people engage in sexual activitiy.

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I'd hate to break it to you, but sex education is a whole lot more than the "how-to"s...

It may include reinforcing the basic ideas properly taught to kindergarteners that we all have boundaries that ought not be crossed by others, but it is certainly much more intentionally geared to adult sexuality that any child has any need to be aware of.

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Until the child is in the process of becoming an adult... you know, when things start getting complicated?

Instructing a child "Don't stick your snot encrusted finger in someone's ear" is not sex education.

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What Uncle Ernie was doing when the parents weren't looking was not a finger in the ear... the first lesson kids that age need to know is what to do if "Uncle Ernie" gets handsy.

grasping the after wind said:

That is not sex education.

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Of course it is. It is age-appropriate sex education.

That is instructing children that they can insist upon there being boundaries as to what sort of touching is allowed.

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Yes, which is part of sex education.

I also assume that kindergarteners already have names for all their body parts.

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Odd assumption and, besides, the proper names are taught rather than childish nicknames.

I would be curious to know what the incidence of child molestation by a parent in their own home is compared to molestation by an adult who gains access to the child in an institutional setting.

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Boyfriends, stepfathers and teenage relatives are probably much more common than bio-dads, but I don't know the incidence either.

I have not personally come across anyone that says they were sexually molested by their parents, but I know quite a few who have told me that they were molested by either a teacher or a counselor or a clergy person. Maybe the people I know are atypical? If not, then perhaps keeping secrets from parents is not the optimal thing to do. If my experience is atypical, I still do not see how keeping things secret from parents in is in any way a good thing.

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What secrets are you talking about? The idea is for children to tell a trusted adult about any molestation attempted or successful. Again, if a child is raised in an authoritarian household where children don't talk back to adults, then they are more susceptible to also obeying authority figures outside the home when they should not.

If the state was confident that ti was being righteous in vaccinating children against their parent's wishes it would simply inform the parents that the state is going to do so despite their protestations. What is the need for secrecy and deceptiveness?

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Um, what?

JustOneWay said:

I say zero tolerance policy.

Expulsion, and dishonor on the family.

Home school that will-be thief. Dare I say 'cut off that little thieving hand'?

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I guess then the parents could be the ones to explain why it was good that a child lost their hand for doing something their teachers were prohibited from telling them was wrong. Everyone wins!

DaisyDay said:

Of course it is. It is age-appropriate sex education.

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Yep. I'm consistently impressed by the overlap of posts which complain about parts of the educational system while also not knowing what that education actually entails.

KCfromNC said:

Yep. I'm consistently impressed by the overlap of posts which complain about parts of the educational system while also not knowing what that education actually entails.

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Which is why, in a similar vein, I take all criticisms on "Critical Race Theory" with a grain of salt... (and slice of lemon and shot of tequila).

Teachers should be impartial on Nazism but we should NOT talk about Critical Race Theory AT ALL.

What a boneheaded pair of positions to take. I really hate that people would argue both of these points in the same breath.

ArmenianJohn said:

Scott Baldwin, Republican Indiana state senator, said teachers should be impartial on Nazism - The Washington Post

This man is a Republican and believes that Nazism should be taught with no judgments and with impartiality. He believes no teacher should never say Nazism was "bad" or make any judgments like that.

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He's for sure a Republican that should be VOTED OUT & REPLACED...

The Narrow Way said:

He's for sure a Republican that should be VOTED OUT & REPLACED...

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Move into Hamilton County, Indiana and you will have the opportunity to vote for or against him like I do. Hopefully you would try to learn more about him than what is being spread on CNN or MSNBC before voting.

tz620q said:

Move into Hamilton County, Indiana and you will have the opportunity to vote for or against him like I do. Hopefully you would try to learn more about him than what is being spread on CNN or MSNBC before voting.

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Oath Keepers: Indiana Sen. Scott Baldwin listed as member in document

JustOneWay said:

Oath Keepers: Indiana Sen. Scott Baldwin listed as member in document

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Well that's all I need to know! I thought all the crazies in Indiana were in the river counties where my family is from. Nothing like cousins who are members of the KKK.

GreekOrthodox said:

Well that's all I need to know! I thought all the crazies in Indiana were in the river counties where my family is from. Nothing like cousins who are members of the KKK.

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Well, Baldwin has a perfectly good explanation. He is not a member, he just donates to them, like a charity.

I wonder how the right would feel about Biden, or any Democrat who donates money to the BLM/ANTIFA Corp? Just curious....

JustOneWay said:

Well, Baldwin has a perfectly good explanation. He is not a member, he just donates to them, like a charity.

I wonder how the right would feel about Biden, or any Democrat who donates money to the BLM/ANTIFA Corp? Just curious....

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Well, the KKK did adopt-a-highway

KKK wins 'Adopt-A-Highway' ruling in Georgia high court | CNN

GreekOrthodox said:

Well, the KKK did adopt-a-highway

KKK wins 'Adopt-A-Highway' ruling in Georgia high court | CNN

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Did they request it be repainted to white?

Also, what do they consider 'highway trash'? I wonder?

"Participation in the program involves picking up garbage in exchange for the right to have the group’s name posted on signs along the stretch of road it has adopted."

GreekOrthodox said:

Well that's all I need to know! I thought all the crazies in Indiana were in the river counties...

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Nah, we spread our crazies across all 92 counties, but Hamilton County is a deeper shade of red than some. I think going around all those roundabouts must make them a bit daft.

seeking.IAM said:

Nah, we spread our crazies across all 92 counties, but Hamilton County is a deeper shade of red than some. I think going around all those roundabouts must make them a bit daft.

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I have a compass in the rear view mirror of my car that says what direction the car is headed. It gave up a couple of months ago and just has question marks.

JustOneWay said:

Well, Baldwin has a perfectly good explanation. He is not a member, he just donates to them, like a charity.

I wonder how the right would feel about Biden, or any Democrat who donates money to the BLM/ANTIFA Corp? Just curious....

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Don't you mean donate, not donates and that was from 2010. Why don't you read his comments and take them for face value or do you think all Republicans are liars and won't listen to anything we say.

tz620q said:

Don't you mean donate, not donates and that was from 2010. Why don't you read his comments and take them for face value or do you think all Republicans are liars and won't listen to anything we say.

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At this point, yes I think most Republicans are liars. 'And some, I assume are good people' I don't donate to right-wing extremist groups. Do you?