Amil or Pretrib - which is biblical?

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LOL. There are not 3 future comings here. These are recaps. There is 7 in total. They all finish with the wholesale rescue of God's elect and the total destruction of the wicked. This is the end. Hello! This fits in with every single coming of Christ passage. These prove that there is one final future coming of Christ that ushers in the end. There are no survivors to populate your so call Pretrib trib. There is no 3rd coming. This is a theory that was invented by the Jesuits in the early 1800s. It is extra-biblical.
Recap is an added human opinion, not allowed according to the rules. There is nothing internal in Revelation that declares a recap theory.
 
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Where Amillennialists and Premillennialists disagree

1. Hermeneutics. Premillennialists interpret scripture more literally. Passages are taken in their plain sense except where context indicates otherwise. Amillennialists tend to interpret scripture symbollically (and in deed must to make their view work). It's from this difference in hermeneutical approach that eschatological differences tend to arise.
I know a lot of people see it that way, but it is not true. There are some passages that Amils take literally and Premils do not and a number of others that Amils take more literally than Premils do.

Premils do not take passages like Acts 17:30-31, John 5:28-29, 2 Thess 1:7-10 and 2 Peter 3:3-13 literally. At least, not like Amils do.

Acts 17:30-31 teaches that God commands literally all people everywhere to repent and that He has "appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained". Taken literally, this means there is one judgment day on which all people will be judged. In contrast, Premils believe in two (or more) judgment days.

John 5:28-29, if taken literally, indicates that there is one future time (one event) during which all of the dead will be resurrected. In contrast to this, Premils believe in two (or more) future times/events during which the dead will be resurrected.

2 Thess 1:7-10, if taken literally, teaches that Jesus will take vengeance on literally all unbelievers (what unbeliever doesn't fit the description of not knowing God and obeying the gospel of Christ?) when He returns and that will be on the same day "when he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe".

When else will He "come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe" except on the day of the rapture? And we know from 1 Cor 15:50-54 that all believers will be changed to have immortal bodies on that day. With all believers having immortal bodies and all living unbelievers being killed on that day, how does that leave any mortals to populate the earth for a thousand years? It doesn't. Amils come to the conclusion that all unbelievers will be killed and all believers will be made immortal on the day Christ returns because of interpreting scripture literally.

Then there is 2 Peter 3:3-13 which Amils interpret very literally but Premils do not. Taken literally, 2 Peter 3:3-13 very clearly teaches that all of the wicked, including the last days scoffers that Peter wrote about, will be killed on the day Christ returns because the earth will be burned up on that day. Peter clearly taught that it is the new heavens and new earth that we look forward to as a result of the promise of His second coming, not an earthly millennial kingdom (2 Peter 3:13).

I could go on with more examples, but I think these should suffice for now.

But there are good reasons to view scripture literally:

All of the prophecies concerning the Lord's first coming were fulfilled literally.
Jesus treated OT events as literal events and likened future events to them (as in the days of Noah, as in the days of Lot).
The return from diaspora, prophesied in scripture, was literal (1948)
There are good reasons to view scripture literally when it's written in literal text and figuratively when it's written in figurative text. You're talking as if it's all literal, which is clearly not the case. Unless you're on the lookout for things like a literal seven-headed, ten-horned beast to arrive on the scene.

2. The Church & Rapture. Premillennialists believe the church started around the time of Jesus first advent, typically given as Pentecost (Acts 2). Ammillennialists believe the church existed since Gen 3 and will be around until the Lord's return. For this reason, they reject a rapture.
And here is another false statement. Where are you getting this from? Amillennialists do not reject a rapture at all if you're talking about believers being caught up to meet the Lord in the air after He descends from heaven. We believe that will happen. But, unlike Premils, we believe He will destroy all of the living unbelievers on the earth immediately after the rapture occurs.

The primary rapture passage is 1 Thessalonians 4:17: "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." The Greek harpazo ("caught up") is rapiemur in the Latin Vulgate and it’s perfect passive form is raptus from which we derive "rapture".

Some other places we see harpazo in scripture:

And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. Acts 8:39

I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth ) such an one caught up to the third heaven. ... How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 2 Co 12:2-4

And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. Rev 12:5
Again, where did you get the idea that Amillennialists don't believe we will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air? Maybe some partial preterists don't believe it will happen, but most Amils do.

3. The Tribulation. Premillennialists believe in a 7-year tribulation, ammillennialists do not.

The 7-year tribulation is based on the 70th week of Daniel 9:27: "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

The second half of that week (or 3 1/2 years, 42 months, 1,260 days, or “time, times and half-time”), is referred to as the "Great Tribulation" (Rev. 11:2; 12:6, 14; 13:5). It will be a time of trouble that the world has never seen before or ever will again:

Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it. Jeremiah 30:7

For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Matthew 24:21
Not all Premils believe in a 7-year tribulation, but I think most pre-tribs do.

4. The Millennial Kingdom. Premillennialists view it as a literal 1000-year period on earth (Rev 20:2,5) following the Lord's return and subsequent Sheep & Goat judgement (Mat 25). They believe it is an earthly kingdom as people will die (Isaiah 65:17-25) after which the eternal kingdom commences (Revelation 21-22). Amillennialists view it as a present eternal kingdom on earth (Rev 21,25) so the 1000 years isn't literal, but symbolic.
I'd say what you said here is accurate. At some point I'd like to discuss Matthew 25:31-46 and Isaiah 65:17-25, but not yet.
 
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Recap is an added human opinion, not allowed according to the rules. There is nothing internal in Revelation that declares a recap theory.
Speaking of human opinions. That's all you have to offer. You offer no scriptural support for your opinions unlike everyone else in this thread.
 
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LOL. There are not 3 future comings here. These are recaps. There is 7 in total. They all finish with the wholesale rescue of God's elect and the total destruction of the wicked. This is the end. Hello! This fits in with every single coming of Christ passage. These prove that there is one final future coming of Christ that ushers in the end. There are no survivors to populate your so call Pretrib trib. There is no 3rd coming. This is a theory that was invented by the Jesuits in the early 1800s. It is extra-biblical.

If your mind is made up there is no reason continue as you can only see thru the lens of your own understanding. No worries. John will explain all when he comes.
 
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If your mind is made up there is no reason continue as you can only see thru the lens of your own understanding. No worries. John will explain all when he comes.

Yes, my mind is made up through my knowledge of the Word.

Isn't it interesting that everybody else is close minded apart from the Pretribbers. The bottom line is, most of us have moved in our eschatological position. Most Pretribbers haven't moved because they rigidly follow their leaders.
 
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I thought it would be good to start with a brief contrast of the views. I'll want to expand it, but it's getting late.

Where Amillennialists and Premillennialists agree

1. Moral Decline, Increasing Violence. Both believe the world will grow worse over time (unlike Postmillennialists). Jesus taught this in Matthew 24:12-14:

And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

2. Second Advent. Both believe in the second coming of Christ.

Where Amillennialists and Premillennialists disagree

1. Hermeneutics. Premillennialists interpret scripture more literally. Passages are taken in their plain sense except where context indicates otherwise. Amillennialists tend to interpret scripture symbollically (and in deed must to make their view work). It's from this difference in hermeneutical approach that eschatological differences tend to arise. But there are good reasons to view scripture literally:

All of the prophecies concerning the Lord's first coming were fulfilled literally.
Jesus treated OT events as literal events and likened future events to them (as in the days of Noah, as in the days of Lot).
The return from diaspora, prophesied in scripture, was literal (1948)

2. The Church & Rapture. Premillennialists believe the church started around the time of Jesus first advent, typically given as Pentecost (Acts 2). Ammillennialists believe the church existed since Gen 3 and will be around until the Lord's return. For this reason, they reject a rapture.

The primary rapture passage is 1 Thessalonians 4:17: "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." The Greek harpazo ("caught up") is rapiemur in the Latin Vulgate and it’s perfect passive form is raptus from which we derive "rapture".

Some other places we see harpazo in scripture:

And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. Acts 8:39

I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth ) such an one caught up to the third heaven. ... How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 2 Co 12:2-4

And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. Rev 12:5

3. The Tribulation. Premillennialists believe in a 7-year tribulation, ammillennialists do not.

The 7-year tribulation is based on the 70th week of Daniel 9:27: "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

The second half of that week (or 3 1/2 years, 42 months, 1,260 days, or “time, times and half-time”), is referred to as the "Great Tribulation" (Rev. 11:2; 12:6, 14; 13:5). It will be a time of trouble that the world has never seen before or ever will again:

Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it. Jeremiah 30:7

For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Matthew 24:21

4. The Millennial Kingdom. Premillennialists view it as a literal 1000-year period on earth (Rev 20:2,5) following the Lord's return and subsequent Sheep & Goat judgement (Mat 25). They believe it is an earthly kingdom as people will die (Isaiah 65:17-25) after which the eternal kingdom commences (Revelation 21-22). Amillennialists view it as a present eternal kingdom on earth (Rev 21,25) so the 1000 years isn't literal, but symbolic.

I think it is wrong for you to speak on behalf of Amillennialists. They can easily speak on their own behalf. I thought that was what this thread is all about. There are several important matters here that you are misrepresenting. Spiritual Jew has highlighted some of them.

The first thing that you have to do is show us hard Scripture that describes (1) a rapture of the Church, (2) immediately followed by a literal seven-year tribulation, (3) immediately followed by a further coming of Christ? If you cannot do that then the debate is over. Surely that is what you believe?
 
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Isn't it interesting that everybody else's mind is made up apart from the Pretribbers. The bottom line is, most of us have moved in our escaladogical position. Most Pretribbers haven't moved because they rigidly follow their leaders.

I haven't engaged here really, but are you in the Amil camp? Are you of the opinion that there is no rapture to heaven at any time? I still don't really know what you are trying to discuss or debate.

No one has taught me the scriptures but Jesus Himself. So, I don't follow any specific camp.
 
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The return from diaspora, prophesied in scripture, was literal (1948)
Which scriptures are you calling on to support this belief?
2. The Church & Rapture. Premillennialists believe the church started around the time of Jesus first advent, typically given as Pentecost (Acts 2). Ammillennialists believe the church existed since Gen 3 and will be around until the Lord's return. For this reason, they reject a rapture.
The OT saints are members of the Body of Christ. They were looking forward faithfully to their Redeemer. Job says it most plainly...
Job 19:25
For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

The primary rapture passage is 1 Thessalonians 4:17: "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." The Greek harpazo ("caught up") is rapiemur in the Latin Vulgate and it’s perfect passive form is raptus from which we derive "rapture".
I/we don't reject the word rapture or believers being caught to meet the Lord in the air, it's just not a separate event from the Second Coming.
Amillennialists view it as a present eternal kingdom on earth (Rev 21,25) so the 1000 years isn't literal, but symbolic.
I'm not sure what you are saying here, "the present eternal kingdom on earth"? We believe in a new heaven and new earth.

As far as the 1,000 years being symbolic...Does God own only the cattle on a thousand hills or is that thousand symbolic?
Psalm 50:10
For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.
Every beast of the forest is mine - Can ye suppose that ye are laying me under obligation to you, when ye present me with a part of my own property?
Psalm 50:11
I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine.
 
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I haven't engaged here really, but are you in the Amil camp? Are you of the opinion that there is no rapture to heaven at any time? I still don't really know what you are trying to discuss or debate.

No one has taught me the scriptures but Jesus Himself. So, I don't follow any specific camp.

I don't accept that. But, Ok then, if He has, then show us where He teaches a rapture of the Church followed by a prolonged tribulation followed by a 3rd coming of Christ?
 
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I haven't engaged here really, but are you in the Amil camp? Are you of the opinion that there is no rapture to heaven at any time? I still don't really know what you are trying to discuss or debate.
He said he is an Amil in the first post in this thread. You didn't read it? And, he has supported his Amil beliefs in other posts in this thread. This thread is supposed to be a debate between Amil and pretrib (premil as well, apparently).
 
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I don't accept that. But, Ok then, if He has, then show us where He teaches a rapture of the Church followed by a prolonged tribulation followed by a 3rd coming of Christ?

That would be easy, but extremely long for a forum post. Since, you already decided not to believe me, why should I make the effort, which you also will not believe?

This thread apparently comes from a prior discussion to which I am not privy. I have asked a couple of times specifically about your position on the rapture. Why don't we just start there so I can have at least some idea of what scriptures to post in order to answer your questions. It is the first part of what you are asking. The rapture. What is your understanding of this event? Rapture to heaven? Rapture to Israel? No rapture?

Let me also ask a hypothetical question for information. If Elijah were to return (the real one, not a false one) and teach the rapture, a tribulation period, and then a later coming of Jesus, would you believe him? I know this sounds ridiculous, but your answer would be informative.
 
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He said he is an Amil in the first post in this thread. You didn't read it? And, he has supported his Amil beliefs in other posts in this thread. This thread is supposed to be a debate between Amil and pretrib (premil as well, apparently).

In my view, the great tribulation started when Adam and Eve ate the fruit, and I am not Amil. So, I guess I should bow out.
 
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In my view, the great tribulation started when Adam and Eve ate the fruit, and I am not Amil. So, I guess I should bow out.
No, feel free to post here if you want. Again, it's a debate between Amils and pretribs, but it seems premils are welcome as well. You believe in two future comings of Christ just like pretribs do, right? So, I think the intention here would be to debate your view as well. What is your understanding of Revelation 20? Do you believe what is described there will happen after Christ returns?
 
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That would be easy, but extremely long for a forum post. Since, you already decided not to believe me, why should I make the effort, which you also will not believe?

This thread apparently comes from a prior discussion to which I am not privy. I have asked a couple of times specifically about your position on the rapture. Why don't we just start there so I can have at least some idea of what scriptures to post in order to answer your questions. It is the first part of what you are asking. The rapture. What is your understanding of this event? Rapture to heaven? Rapture to Israel? No rapture?

Let me also ask a hypothetical question for information. If Elijah were to return (the real one, not a false one) and teach the rapture, a tribulation period, and then a later coming of Jesus, would you believe him? I know this sounds ridiculous, but your answer would be informative.

I do believe in the catching away of the saints. I believe when Jesus comes He will rescue His elect in total and then immediately destroy all the wicked. He will regenerate this corrupt eand we will then populate the new perfected earth.
 
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No, feel free to post here if you want. Again, it's a debate between Amils and pretribs, but it seems premils are welcome as well. You believe in two future comings of Christ just like pretribs do, right?

Yes, and no. I don't claim to know everything a "pretrib" thinks, but I do understand they believe there are exactly two future comings of Christ. I do not hold this view. There are seven appointed times of Christ. Two in the past tense, His birth, and His ministry. Five appointed times are still to come. Five, not two. Rapture, Coming of the Bridegroom, Day of Visitation, 7th Trumpet, Armageddon.

The time of the end is not seven years. It is 50 years. By the end of which, man will be as rare as fine gold upon the earth, just as Isaiah wrote. Bet you never heard this before!

So, I think the intention here would be to debate your view as well. What is your understanding of Revelation 20? Do you believe what is described there will happen after Christ returns?

Yes. The 7th and final appointed time of Christ is the battle of Armageddon. This occurs at the 7th bowl of wrath and described in Rev 19 and Ezekiel 39. So, Revelation 20 is all after that battle. Likewise, Ezekiel 40-48 also applies to begin the millennium.
 
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I do believe in the catching away of the saints. I believe when Jesus comes He will rescue His elect in total and then immediately destroy all the wicked. He will regenerate this corrupt eand we will then populate the new perfected earth.

Ok, thank you. I have two questions.

One, Revelation 7 describes an innumerable multitude of saints in heaven in the Temple of God. They will serve Him in the Temple day and night. How does this fit into your understanding?

Two, if all the elect are rescued and the wicked destroyed at the same time, how do you explain this?

Revelation 12:14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. 15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.

17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Satan gets cast to the earth and pursues the woman, but cannot get to them. They are protected for 3 1/2 years. Then, he goes after the rest of the saints. The same thing is recorded in Daniel.

Daniel 12:1 “At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered

AT the time Israel is delivered, the greatest tribulation ever is beginning. How is this possible if all the elect are rescued at the same time?
 
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Yes, and no. I don't claim to know everything a "pretrib" thinks, but I do understand they believe there are exactly two future comings of Christ. I do not hold this view. There are seven appointed times of Christ. Two in the past tense, His birth, and His ministry. Five appointed times are still to come. Five, not two. Rapture, Coming of the Bridegroom, Day of Visitation, 7th Trumpet, Armageddon.

The time of the end is not seven years. It is 50 years. By the end of which, man will be as rare as fine gold upon the earth, just as Isaiah wrote. Bet you never heard this before!



Yes. The 7th and final appointed time of Christ is the battle of Armageddon. This occurs at the 7th bowl of wrath and described in Rev 19 and Ezekiel 39. So, Revelation 20 is all after that battle. Likewise, Ezekiel 40-48 also applies to begin the millennium.

It is folly for you to invent your own theology that no one else has a revelation of and then imagine that you are the only one with the truth, especially when it doesn't correlate with the Word and you have been unable to show it anywhere in the Word.
 
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Ok, thank you. I have two questions.

One, Revelation 7 describes an innumerable multitude of saints in heaven in the Temple of God. They will serve Him in the Temple day and night. How does this fit into your understanding?

Two, if all the elect are rescued and the wicked destroyed at the same time, how do you explain this?

Revelation 12:14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. 15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.

17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Satan gets cast to the earth and pursues the woman, but cannot get to them. They are protected for 3 1/2 years. Then, he goes after the rest of the saints. The same thing is recorded in Daniel.

Daniel 12:1 “At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered

AT the time Israel is delivered, the greatest tribulation ever is beginning. How is this possible if all the elect are rescued at the same time?

Revelation was not intended to introduce a large deposit of new revelation that was previously unknown to the other sacred writers. Many (wrongly) formulate new elaborate innovative Bible doctrines out of the apocalyptic symbols that were simply designed to express general spiritual truths, in keeping with the rest of Scripture. End-time enthusiasts often arbitrarily use parables, visions, dreams, and symbols to conveniently design their own theology, theories and prophetic schemes. This distorts what was intended to be an unveiling of truth and confuses those who they speak to.

As you dive into the book of Revelation it is important to recognize that it is not chronological. It is a series of recaps. It presents different camera views of the same game (mainly, the period between Christ's First Advent and His Second Advent). Sometimes when one is watching a sports game, the camera is close in on the action, sometimes it presents a broad panoramic view of the game. Sometimes it is focused on the coaches, sometimes it is focused on the players, other times, it is focused on the fans. The book Revelation is a bit like that. Sinclair Ferguson describes the apocalypse as: “Recapitulatory and progressive parallelism.”

What we are looking at is a spiritual revelation of our Savior revealed to us in symbolic form. We get a general overview of the story. We then have an expansion of particular aspects of that story. Scripture often does that.

Revelation 1-22 consists of a number of figurative prophetic parallels (most believe seven in total) revealing the overall battle between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of darkness. They relate, like every other New Testament book, to the period running between the first and Second Advents. John basically goes behind the scenes into the spiritual realm and articulates in symbolic form the enormity of the great conflict between light and darkness. In the book of Revelation, we get a perceptive insight into the invisible realm.

Parallels are simply different camera views of the same corresponding intra-Advent period which look at different aspects of the great battle between darkness and light. Basically, it is telling the same story from different angles.

The ESV Study Bible states: “Revelation unveils the unseen spiritual war in which the church is engaged: the cosmic conflict between God and his Christ on the one hand, and Satan and his evil allies (both demonic and human) on the other. In this conflict, Jesus the Lamb has already won the decisive victory through his sacrificial death, but his church continues to be assaulted by the dragon, in its death-throes, through persecution, false teaching, and the allure of material affluence and cultural approval. By revealing the spiritual realities lying behind the church’s trials and temptations during the time between Christ’s first and second comings, and by dramatically affirming the certainty of Christ’s triumph in the new heaven and earth, the visions granted to John both warn the church and fortify it to endure suffering and to stay pure from the defiling enticements of the present world order.”

Revelation is designed to enlighten God’s people, stir their hearts and increase their faith. Significantly, the conclusion of each parallel terminates with a record of the glorious Second Advent, which includes the rescue of His saint and the final destruction of the wicked.

Those who have eyes to see will get the general thrust of the book! That does not mean we will grasp every minute detail. But we should get the overall message of the apocalypse.

Cycle 1

Seven Churches (Ch 2-3)

Cycle 2

Seven Seals (Ch 6-8:1)

Cycle 3

Seven Trumpets (Ch 8-11)

Cycle 4

The Church and its onslaught from the devil and the beast’s and ultimate victory in heaven.

Cycle 5

Seven Vials (Ch 15-16)

Cycle 6


Babylon (Ch 17-19)

Cycle 7

Revelation was not intended to introduce a large deposit of new revelation that was previously unknown to the other sacred writers. Many (wrongly) formulate new elaborate innovative Bible doctrines out of the apocalyptic symbols that were simply designed to express general spiritual truths, in keeping with the rest of Scripture. End-time enthusiasts often arbitrarily use parables, visions, dreams, and symbols to conveniently design their own theology, theories and prophetic schemes. This distorts what was intended to be an unveiling of truth and confuses those who they speak to.
 
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It is folly for you to invent your own theology that no one else has a revelation of and then imagine that you are the only one with the truth, especially when it doesn't correlate with the Word and you have been unable to show it anywhere in the Word.

Once again, I did not invent anything.

1. Rapture.

Habakkuk 3:3 God shall come from the south, and the Holy One from the dark shady mount Paran. Pause. 4 His excellence covered the heavens, and the earth was full of His praise.
Revelation 1:6 and has made us a kingdom of priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever.

Time between ingatherings.

Isaiah 32:9 Rise up, you rich women, and hear My voice; you confident daughters, listen to My words. 10 For a year and a few days, you shall be troubled: the vintage shall be cut off; it will fail, the ingathering shall not come.
Revelation 1:7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him.

2. Coming of the Bridegroom.

Revelation 6:12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. ... 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
Joel 2:11 The Lord gives voice before His army, For His camp is very great; For strong is the One who executes His word. For the Day of the Lord is great and very terrible; Who can endure it?

Many years later after the falling away, the covenant is broken, and Jerusalem is given up for destruction. The divorce.

3. Day of Visitation. (during the 6th Trumpet)

Luke 19:41 Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it, 42 saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. 43 For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, 44 and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”
Zechariah 7:11 But they refused to attend, and madly turned their back, and made their ears heavy, so that they should not hear. 12 And they made their heart disobedient, so as not to listen to My law, and the words which Yehovah Almighty sent forth by His Spirit by the former prophets: so there was great wrath from Yehovah Almighty.
13 “'And it shall come to pass, that as He spoke, and they did not listen, so they shall cry, and I will not listen,” says Yehovah Almighty. 14 “And I will cast them out among all the nations, whom they do not know; and the land behind them shall be made utterly destitute of any going through or returning: yea they have made the choice land a desolation.'”
Amos 9:1 I saw Yehovah standing on the altar: and He said, “Strike the mercy-seat, and the porch shall be shaken: and cut through into the heads of all; and I will slay the remnant of them with the sword: no one of them fleeing shall escape, and no one of them striving to save himself shall be delivered. 2 Though they hide themselves in hell, there shall My hand drag them forth; and though they go up to heaven, there will I bring them down.
Isaiah 50:1 Thus says the Lord: “Where is the certificate of your mother’s divorce, Whom I have put away? Or which of My creditors is it to whom I have sold you? For your iniquities you have sold yourselves, And for your transgressions your mother has been put away.

4. 7th Trumpet (prodigal son returns, covenant remembered)

Revelation 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!” ... 19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. ... 12:5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne. 6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
Isaiah 9:6 For a Child is born to us, and a Son is given to us, whose government is upon His shoulder: and His name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him. 7 His government shall be great, and of His peace there is no end: it shall be upon the throne of David, and upon His kingdom, to establish it, and to support it with judgment and with righteousness, from henceforth and forever.

Once the kingdoms are given to Christ, He first comes to deliver Israel. Then, returns to heaven to cast out Satan. Then waits for the great battle of God Almighty.

5. Armageddon.

Revelation 16:15 “Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”
19:11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
Ezekiel 39:21 “And I will set My glory among you, and all the nations shall see My judgment which I have worked, and My hand which I have brought upon them. 22 And the house of Israel shall know that I am Yehovah their God, from this day and onward. 23 “And all the nations shall know that the house of Israel were led captive because of their sins, because they rebelled against Me, and I turned away My face from them, and delivered them into the hands of their enemies, and they all fell by the sword. 24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions did I deal with them, and I turned away My face from them.” 25 Therefore thus says Yehovah God, “Now will I turn back captivity in Jacob, and will have mercy on the house of Israel, and will be jealous for the sake of My holy name.

The Millennium now begins. Satan cast into the abyss. Beast and false prophet cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20, and so on...

I answered your question/accusation with scripture, and I can list 100 more if needed. I clearly showed a time when God comes and the earth is full of His praise, then another time when all the tribes mourn at His coming. The single coming theory is not possible. Nor is it biblical. Revelation is clearly laid out as written without the need to rearrange it. This is the folly of many. However, this disagreement should not become enmity between us brothers and sisters in Christ. When the hour comes, everyone will understand. Until then, let the good news of the kingdom be preached unto all the world as a witness to all nations!
 
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