What is the great army in Joel?

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I think you missed, " afterwards".....this was fulfilled on the day of Pentecost leaving nothing left to be fulfilled.
And it shall come to pass afterward
That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your old men shall dream dreams,
Your young men shall see visions.
29 And also on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days.

I think many are confused by Peter's message on Pentecost. He wasn't saying Joel was fulfilled that day. He simply said, "This is what is written ..." God convicted their hearts and 3000 were saved. The moon didn't turn to blood that day obviously. Further, many years after Pentecost, Revelation 6 talks about the moon turning to blood. Therefore, it wasn't fulfilled on Pentecost.
 
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I think many are confused by Peter's message on Pentecost. He wasn't saying Joel was fulfilled that day. He simply said, "This is what is written ..." God convicted their hearts and 3000 were saved. The moon didn't turn to blood that day obviously. Further, many years after Pentecost, Revelation 6 talks about the moon turning to blood. Therefore, it wasn't fulfilled on Pentecost.
Not sure about that. The Father did pour out His Holy Spirit which fulfills the first part of Joel's prophesy and the second part would be 70AD.

BTW, I dont adhere to Dispensationalism.

In the Hebrew Bible, the meaning of the phrase, The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD " , refers to temporal events such as the invasion of a foreign army, the capture of a city and the suffering that comes to the inhabitants. The day of the Lord has always been judgment day. In this case, for Jerusalem , the end of the age, and the end of Temple Judaism. Pretty big event.
 
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I suppose I gave quick answers as I was as work.

Yes there are signs of things that were to come in Joel. But the main point was the impending destruction of Israel and the first temple. Just like most of the other prophets. They were future for Joel, not us. The army in Joel would have been the army that destroyed Israel the first time.

The future happenings were pointing to the destruction of Jerusalem and the second temple in 70ad. Daniel points to it as well. Those things started being fulfilled once Jesus showed up. That's why I was saying Peter claimed Joel was being fulfilled.

If I recall, Joel lived roughly 220 years before the first Temple was destroyed. That is a long time.

Anyway, if you agree his writing was future to him, why must it be about the first or second Temple? The army in Joel is clearly the Lord's army, the host. There really isn't anything in Joel that fits the history of the first or second Temple. Just curious why you would connect to them?

Also, I think Peter's message on Pentecost is misunderstood. He wasn't answering the heckler in the crowd. He was filled with the Spirit and said, "This is what is written by the prophet Joel..." He wasn't saying it was fulfilled that day. Just, this is what is written. Obviously, the moon did not turn to blood that day. Further, many years later Revelation 6 prophesies about the moon turning to blood. So, it obviously wasn't fulfilled earlier.
 
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Not sure about that. The Father did pour out His Holy Spirit which fulfills the first part of Joel's prophesy and the second part would be 70AD.

BTW, I dont adhere to Dispensationalism.

In the Hebrew Bible, the meaning of the phrase, The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD " , refers to temporal events such as the invasion of a foreign army, the capture of a city and the suffering that comes to the inhabitants. The day of the Lord has always been judgment day. In this case, for Jerusalem , the end of the age, and the end of Temple Judaism. Pretty big event.

That is where we would see things differently, I suppose. When God said, "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD," I think He meant just that. The sun will literally be blacked out and the moon will literally become red like blood before the great and terrible Day of the Lord. To me, the Day of the Lord is about His coming, not just about a city being destroyed. For example:

Malachi 3: “But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears?

As for Joel, he says God will pour out His Spirit on ALL flesh. That didn't happen on Pentecost. Also, the army in Joel is the Lord's army, the heavenly host. That is a far cry from the Romans. It just doesn't add up to say with any confidence that it was fulfilled.
 
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