A question that hurts me to adk

Blaise N · Nov 25, 2021

Hi everyone,

I’d like to ask the community a question that is biting me like a mosquito.And it hurts me to ask it.
My question is,

“when God created earth,and he knew Adam and Eve would sin and terror would befall the earth,why did he do that?”I know Gods ways are higher than ours,and some knowledge is only reserved for him,but that is my question.

timothyu · Nov 25, 2021

Consider the angels who went before us and rebelled. They were created eternal. Oops.
Now consider the creation of man, hybrids of flesh and spirit. Same outcome or a plan with a solution?

Landon Caeli · Nov 25, 2021

With the alternative being no life, I tend to prefer life.

eleos1954 · Nov 25, 2021

True Love (putting others before self) is not a forced issue or else it's not love. Freedom to choose involves risk.

Yes He knew the risk/outcome ... but ... even before creation God put His plan of redemption in place so all could come back to Him .... out of Love ... by their choice ... not His.

True Love (putting others before self) is on full display by Jesus (who IS God) putting Himself on the cross .... so that humanity may be reconciled with/through Him.

Don't let your questioning mind hurt you.

God IS love.

We have a awesome God!!!!! AMEN!!!!

Thatgirloncfforums · Nov 25, 2021

Adam and Eve, as well as the earth were created immature, suffering was the logic consequence. But suffering without God was not. We chose that. We chose the fear. God still created us knowing that we would reject him, because he wanted us around.

timothyu · Nov 25, 2021

A work in progress.

Tolworth John · Nov 25, 2021

Considr this, Salvation was planned before cration.

Yes God knew thatlove and freedom means being able to chooice that which is harmful, yet God went ahead with Salvation and all that it cost both God the Fathr and Jesus, God the Son.

sandman · Nov 25, 2021

You say he knew ...but did He ....

Here is something to think about... People say God is omnipotence...all knowing but

Consider the account of Abraham and his son Isaac in Gen 22:1. Aside from this being an allegory there is also the ultimate trust of Abraham by sacrificing his son. ….but here is the addendum. Abraham did not doubt God, Abraham knew that God would raise his son when he sacrificed him and he (Abraham) was absolutely going to follow through……………….But did God??

I know this goes against those who believe God is omnipotence…. but God gave us free will.

Being God He absolutely has a vast amount of knowledge and endless range of perception….But did he absolutely know that Abraham would follow through….He did not …..not until the final point… at which time is declared in Gen 22:11&12…. "NOW I KNOW". God either lied or He told the truth when He said → Now I know...

At any time Abraham could have said …I am not doing this …freedom of will.

I absolutely know and believe that God is vast ..far far superior to what I can conceive but Adam and eve had the ability to not sin …because they had freedom to choose….. God gave them that

Mark Quayle · Nov 26, 2021

Hello, again, Brother. I think you know the answer to that question, haha! Yes, it hurts our human sensibilities, and what we would like God to be like.

coffee4u · Nov 28, 2021

Because God wants a group of people to live with him forever, who love and trust him.
You can't force people to love you, it has to be freely given. People have to choose, follow God or follow Satan. So God gave them free will.

God knew that Adam would sin but he also knew the solution to that sin, was that he would come down as a man and die for all of the heinous things that mankind would ever do.
Then at the right time he will come back and this world will end to usher in the world as God wants it with the people who have chosen him.
Revelation 21:4
4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”

SkyWriting · Jan 8, 2022

This would be man that can not sin or hurt himself. Is that a better life?

childeye 2 · Jan 9, 2022

Romans 8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

I believe God is showing us Who He is and how to value His Spirit even as Light can only be fully appreciated in the midst of darkness. I believe Jesus is the Light, the door, the Truth and the way, wherein we have the hope to escape the wickedness of this world.

Here is where we not only learn right from wrong, but more importantly we learn how to value God as the Spirit that makes us righteous (Love/Compassion). We were made good to begin with, but did not know what that good means. So in our innocence/ignorance, we were corruptible, and when tested, we fell.

God gave mankind His Spirit which is absolutely good to begin with, but the creature takes it for granted in two ways.
1) We think we are righteous of our own selves, and in taking credit for God's attributes, we become vain.
2) We cannot fully appreciate the value of what is given us, without losing it. So, we have to learn, through experiencing what happens in the absence of it, in a real-life temporal experience.

coffee4u · Jan 9, 2022

What happened to that cockatoo and why are you posting it?

PrincetonGuy · Jan 11, 2022

Genesis 6:5. The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6. And the Lord was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. (RSV)

According to these verses, God did NOT know that “Adam and Eve would sin and terror would befall the earth.” Indeed, when he saw “that the wickedness of humankind was great in the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually, He was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart.”

coffee4u · Jan 11, 2022

Now you say you don't even believe in the Omniscience of God.

God did and does know all.

Psalm 139
1 You have searched me, Lord,
and you know me.
2 You know when I sit and when I rise;
you perceive my thoughts from afar.
3 You discern my going out and my lying down;
you are familiar with all my ways.
4 Before a word is on my tongue
you, Lord, know it completely.

1 John 3:20

20 if our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.

Thera · Jan 11, 2022

For His glory and because of His love.

Sheila Davis · Jan 11, 2022

Many may disagree but I think this life on Earth is judgement of the fallen. To determine who will receive "redemption / salvation" - who will parish. What each individual Spirit does that are born into these flesh bodies, which are temporary determines their fate - at judgement day. Mercy is given, and according to the choices one makes - whether to serve righteousness or serve unrighteousness - whether to obey and trust God or to obey and serve the devil salvation / redemption will be given or one will suffer the same fate as Lucifer who is already judged and condemned.

Bible Gateway passage: John 16:10-11 - King James Version

Hell was created for the devil and his angels

MATTHEW 25:41 KJV "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire,..."

And it pleases God to show Mercy and he want all to choose righteousness and be saved.

PrincetonGuy · Jan 12, 2022

Please carefully study Psalm 139:1-4 and 1 John 3:20 in the context in which they appear—and in the context of the rest of Scripture.

Genesis 6:6. And the Lord was sorry that he had made humankind on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart.

Exodus 32:14. And the Lord changed his mind about the disaster that he planned to bring on his people.

Jonah 3:10. When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil ways, God changed his mind about the calamity that he had said he would bring upon them; and he did not do it.

Jer. 18:7. At one moment I may declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it,
8. but if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will change my mind about the disaster that I intended to bring on it.
9. And at another moment I may declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will build and plant it,
10. but if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will change my mind about the good that I had intended to do to it.

Jer. 26:3. It may be that they will listen, all of them, and will turn from their evil way, that I may change my mind about the disaster that I intend to bring on them because of their evil doings.

Jer. 26:13. Now therefore amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the Lord your God, and the Lord will change his mind about the disaster that he has pronounced against you.

Jer. 26:19. Did King Hezekiah of Judah and all Judah actually put him to death? Did he not fear the Lord and entreat the favor of the Lord, and did not the Lord change his mind about the disaster that he had pronounced against them? But we are about to bring great disaster on ourselves!"

In all of these passages, the identical Hebrew word is used in reference to God changing his mind upon learning information previously unknown to Him.

All quotations from Scripture are from the NRSV unless otherwise noted.

coffee4u · Jan 12, 2022

4 Before a word is on my tongue
you, Lord, know it completely.

So you don't believe in the Omniscience of God.

Do you believe in His Omnipotence and Omnipresence? Or have you tossed aside those traditional doctrines as well?

timothyu · Jan 12, 2022

Are doctrines scriptural or theological?

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